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boxing today vs boxing 30 years ago

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posted on May, 14 2017 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: D8Tee

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: D8Tee

ok.
if you say so.
im a fan and not a fight scholar. in my opinion(as i have been saying. not fact) tyson is one of the greatest of all time and most people feel the same way
i hold fast that tyson in his prime beats any boxer of any era 5 out of 10
does not mean he is THE best but he is ONE of the best


I agree with you, guy had amazing skills and I'd never say he wasn't one of the best fighters to ever step in the ring.

Just saying that his level of competition makes it hard to judge in a historical sense.

Would he have beat an Ali or a Frasier?

Certainly a possibility. I'll also agree that he could have beat any boxer of any era 5 out of 10.




then we are on the same page cause thats what i am saying too.
thats how i feel about the guys of today. hard to judge but imo the era i mentioned had better boxers.
things like this can never be truly settled. who is the best? we can never know...
we can say a guy like tommy morrison is not one of the best....most people agree. he fights ali 10 times and he loses 10 times.
tyson wins 50% against anyone.....i think that is a fair statement.

people also tend to remember 'late' stage tyson. the douglas fight. that was not exactly late but not early either. that was kind of the start. they remember prison. they remember the ear. they remember the face tattoo and the voice.

some people do not remember how crisp and ferocious he was....he was a beast man




posted on May, 14 2017 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

Don King ruined Tyson.

Losing Cus and Rooney was the beginning of the end.

Tyson was explosive. I don't know there's been another fighter that could throw combinations as fast and with such intensity all at the same time avoiding shots to himself.

Peek A Boo style of boxing he possessed was devastating against taller fighters, get on the inside and launch a flurry of bodyshots culminating with that uppercut, wow.


ETA: Might as well throw this in here as well.




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posted on May, 14 2017 @ 07:46 PM
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Ali is the greatest,
he wasn`t a big dumb ape that used brute force to win and he never had to resort to biting off his opponents body parts like some other "boxers" did.
Ali had real skill.
compared to ali most boxers look like a bunch of drunken unskilled bar room brawlers.



posted on May, 14 2017 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by: Tardacus
Ali is the greatest,
he wasn`t a big dumb ape that used brute force to win and he never had to resort to biting off his opponents body parts like some other "boxers" did.
Ali had real skill.
compared to ali most boxers look like a bunch of drunken unskilled bar room brawlers.


whatever man. did you even watch the tyson clip just posted?
after he shuts these dues lights off he is helping them up and hugging them and shaking their hand.
tyson was not a career ear biter/dirty fighter...


i have to say too after watching those clips ali looks very unimpressive compared to tyson. i know these are just highlights but thats how it looks to me.
also people say tyson the dirty fighter but he is hugging these dudes and helping them up vs ali who #in stands over top of them with his arms in the air....
give me a break...people make it out like ali was this saint of a boxer but he was a mad # talker....not like he was mr nice guy boxing dude..

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posted on May, 14 2017 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: Tardacus
Ali is the greatest,
he wasn`t a big dumb ape that used brute force to win and he never had to resort to biting off his opponents body parts like some other "boxers" did.
Ali had real skill.
compared to ali most boxers look like a bunch of drunken unskilled bar room brawlers.


Ali was the original trash talking motormouth, he showed his opponents no respect.

"It's gonna be a chilla, and a killa, and a thrilla, when I fight the Gorilla in Manila."
To call another black man a "gorilla," especially in that era, was beyond the pale.

And it only scratches the surface of the ugliness of Ali's trash talk that built up that fight. He also referred to Frazier as "the white man's champion" and, even worse, an "Uncle Tom."

The dude was a Jerk.



posted on May, 14 2017 @ 10:32 PM
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Teófilo Stevenson, 3x gold medalist, maybe the best boxer that many outside of the boxing world never heard of...

Roberto Duran, the no mas fight not withstanding, was maybe the best pound for pound boxer--other than Tommy Hearns, perhaps, who ever lived.

MHO, of course.

Boxing today as opposed to that of yesteryear (the good ol' days?)? Good question... Certainly the money is better--no comparison, really...

The heavyweight division sucks, a lot. But the lower divisions all seem to be fairly loaded with good talent. Though I can't name any of 'em. I don't follow it as closely as I once did, though.

Everyone is going to have their favorite era... My granddad was a Gentleman Jim Braddock fan. My dad swore by Joe Louis. My mom was a Jack Dempsey fan. I lived and died by Joe Frazier and Ali.

They're different era's. One fight now, and you're set for life. Back then, that wasn't the case, really.



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

Tyson was a brawler not a boxer, joe frazier was a brawler too, frazier had no boxing skills he just kept going straight at his opponent and tried to beat them with brute force.

ali developed unique boxing skills that no one had seen or used before.

to me boxing is more than just punching your opponent, anyone can do that, ali made boxing an art.

ali wasn`t the fastest puncher or the hardest hitting puncher, he boxed smarter not harder he showed that you don`t have to be the biggest and strongest to win, a lot.



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

Still plenty of great fighters out there.
MY top 5 P4P (in no paticular order)
Vasyl Lomachenko
Terrence Crawford
Andre Ward
Gennady Golovkin
Sergey Kovalev

The problem, which Al HAymon tried to solve, is there are no fights on regular cable anymore.
To enjoy boxing to the fullest, you have to have a subscription to HBO, Showtime or both and you have to pay big money for PPV's
The promotion war is an even bigger issue. Top fighters are not able to fight eachother due to promoters refusing to work with each other and/or fighters are contractually obligated to fight on specific networks (HBO/Showtime)
The only exception was Manny Pac and Mayweather. The only reason that happened, was that the money was so big the promoters and networks all made a ton of money.

Another issue, is sanctioning bodies (WBA, WBO, ect) Most of them have multiple belts in the same divisions, and requitre fighters to fight mandatory chalengers, instead of better fights, unless they pay the mandatory challenger "step aside" money.

This gives fighters built in excuses to duck fighters. This screws the fan.
Screwing the fan brings me to possibly the worst problem with boxing right now.
JUDGES BLOWING FIGHTS
Weather it's corruption, or bad judges, it breaks fans hearts and turns them away from the sport when two guys give everything they have and leave it all in the ring for the judges to screw up the fight and declare the wrong man the winner.
Happens all the time and its pitiful.



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