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Find me another boxer, trainer, or promoter who thinks Mike Tyson was a bad boxer.
Boxing veteran Holmes came back from retirement to have another go at the title against reigning champ Tyson. Holmes had promised to knock Tyson out stating that Tyson was a dirty fighter not worthy to hold the title. The fight proved him wrong as Tyson punished him with Holmes unable to
pretty sure some of the old ancient times boxers would have been able to compete in the modern ages with out the whole steroid controversies and drug testing we have now
Ancient Greek boxing (Greek: πυγμαχία pygmachia, "fist fighting") dates back to at least the 8th century BCE (Homer's Iliad), and was practiced in a variety of social contexts in different Greek city-states. Most extant sources about ancient Greek boxing are fragmentary or legendary, making it difficult to reconstruct the rules, customs and history surrounding this activity in great detail. Still, it is clear that gloved boxing bouts were a significant part of ancient Greek athletic culture throughout the early classical period.
so the latter guy named in the article pretty much wrote the book or at least the rules so to speak
Unarmed combat was most likely practiced by humans since before we were humans. In Western culture it is the Greeks who are first credited with taming the practice for sport. Known as “Pygmahia” or “fistfighting”, the ancient Greeks asserted that the sport was invented by Apollo, the sun god. In this tradition, the first mortal Champion Of The World was a prince named Forvanta. He represented mankind in the first recorded Championship; a match between man and god. Forvanta challenged Apollo and for this outrage Apollo killed the human Champion during their match. Other victims of Apollos were Phorbas, a mortal boxer who challenged travellers wishing to pass through Delphi (he was also killed) and none other than the god of war Aries, who fell victim to the sun god at the mythic first Olympic games but lived to tell the tale. Other mythological practitioners of the sport included Herakles, Tydeus, Polydeusus and Theseus. The first known boxing artifacts derive from ancient Crete, dating 1600 BC. The sport receives its first literary mention in Homer’s “The Iliad” (circa 800 BC), in the 23rd chapter, wherein Epeus (builder of the Trojan horse) and Euryalus (a Captain of the Argonauts) hold a contest at the funeral of Patroclus. Patroclus was Achilles’ squire and had met his end in his master’s armour at the hands of Apollo and Hector during the Trojan War (1200 BC). The passage presents the sport of boxing as having already achieved a near modern sophistication - complete with rules and even seconds - and as with today’s version of the sport, the jaw is ever the target. The Olympic games were reputed to have been founded by the gods, and were brought to this mortal coil by one Aethlius (from whose name is derived todays word “Athlete”) as a challenge to his sons. After a period wherein their practice was ceased, they were ‘revived’ by Iphitus and Lycurgus, two descendants of Herakles, in 766 BC as a means of replacing war with sport in the ancient world. These games featured only one event: The Stadion (chariot) race. Further events were added as the centuries passed. It wasn’t until 688 BC, at the 23rd Olympic games, that mankind first officially practiced the sport of boxing at an international level (as the Olympic games were open to all Greek-speaking males and one needed not be Greek by birth). The ideal boxer at the time was aggressive and the bouts - fought naked save for hands wrapped in hard leather thongs called “cesti” - went until one of the two contenders signalled submission by raising his opened hand, or by taking a knee. An umpire was on-hand to ensure that the winner recognised this surrender. The first recorded Champion was Onomastos of Smyrna. He won the title in the 23rd games and thereafter set the rules for the sport, which were the first in recorded history.
Boxing did not take place in a ring, which meant there was no opportunity for cornering - rather, the Greeks placed portable barriers such as ladders or sticks on the ground to set the boundaries. These objects could be moved closer until fighters were forced to stand toe-to-toe. Because all fights were outdoors, a common tactic was to gain an advantage by standing so the sun was in an opponent's eyes. There were no weight classes, no rounds and no time limit. Some fights lasted for days. If both fighters agreed, they could end the fight by “klimax’ whereby each fighter took turns striking the other, without pretense of defence by either, until a winner was decided. Athletes were selected by their city-states to represent their people, and although there were no weight classes it was obvious that size, height, weight, reach and strength were all advantages, therefore it was normally only the largest men who were chosen to represent their city-states in this sport. The punching of the time was crude, and did not feature the straight punches normally seen today, but instead consisted mainly of wild hooks and hammer-like blows, mostly to the head. When defending, style and grace of movement were highly valued. Greek boxers trained for months before the games, because encounters between athletes armed with such terrible weapons as the cestus were bound to result in very serious injuries. In the days of Onomastos, courage was also valued and it was said that a fighter of the time named Eurydamas swallowed his own broken teeth rather than show that he was hurt. His opponent, disheartened that his best punches were having no effect, signalled defeat. The rules of Onomastos were strict: No wrestling, grappling, kicking nor biting were allowed, and the contest ended when one combatant was knocked out or signalled submission It was this last rule, according to Plutarch, that had boxing banned in Sparta by its philosopher-king Lycurgus, since Spartans never surrendered. It was also strictly forbidden to intentionally kill an adversary, on pain of losing the match. Rhodes, Aegina, Arcadia and Elis produced most of the Olympic victors in boxing.
originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: alldaylong
tyson was an amazing fighter man...he was tuning dudes up with the quickness and he was very young too. he was a force.
after the whole going to jail thing he was different and especially after Cus died...he was not the same after that. Cus was like his father man.....
tyson was a great fighter...as good as any other heavyweight that has ever laced up and better than most
originally posted by: Tuomptonite
Boxing has lacked any truly great heavyweights for a long time now and that's hurt the sport. Your average casual fan doesn't want to see 125 pounders throwing hands, no matter how good they are. Boxing needs the next Mike Tyson to step up soon.
17. Mike Tyson. Why is he so low on the list? He had fast combinations, pulverizing power and was the great intimidator. He netted over 300 million dollars in purses (that he spent) because this anti-hero had record-breaking drawing power. So why isn’t he in the top 15? Iron Mike, another D’Amato creation, was the world’s greatest front runner. Never once did he walk through fire and win. He never came from behind to win. He never rose from the deck to win. Lack of heart? Lack of character? I don’t know. You tell me.
originally posted by: TinySickTears
this is something i have been thinking on a lot today. i have been watching old fights and clips of guys from when i was coming up and # man.....seems like boxing was stacked in the late 70's up to the late 80's..
compared to now what do you think?
does not matter the division.
i can think of recent guys that were killing it
de la hoya
those guys come to mind....
then i think about guys from the era i mentioned.....
i just watched the hagler vs hearns fight....holy hell man that was one of the best fights ever....
imo and i admit i was a huge fan back then cause my dad and i used to watch it when he was still alive. it just about ended for me when my dad died and tyson fell off....for the most part i mean...
what i am getting at is i did not watch the guys listed like i did the early 80's guys. just caught pieces....
it seems to me though that the guys from the late 70's and early 80's and possibly a trickle into the very early part of the 90's had something special...
am i off in my thinking?
when i think of great boxers the guys that come to mind are for the most part not the guys i listed...
what do you think?
maybe it is nostalgia for me cause i grew up on those guys with my dad and #....
what do you think?
originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: D8Tee
if you say so.
im a fan and not a fight scholar. in my opinion(as i have been saying. not fact) tyson is one of the greatest of all time and most people feel the same way
i hold fast that tyson in his prime beats any boxer of any era 5 out of 10
does not mean he is THE best but he is ONE of the best