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Fatima 1917: Not a Hologram, Neither a UFO, nor a Stargate nor a black hole, but St. Mary

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posted on May, 14 2017 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

No it has nothing to do with politics . That's my superior education and intelligence guiding my choices. but thanks for your kindness you're a real treasure aren't you?




posted on May, 14 2017 @ 09:22 AM
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you guys don't comment pope's Fatima homily? It is breakthru in theology, not just of Fatima! I got a new thread about it Pope Francis in Fatima compares the saved Church to the Manchild of Revelation www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 14 2017 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

I have nothing against the OP but he threatened me with negative spiritual consequences for disagreeing which is an attempt to interfere with my free will via threat or coercion and I have met his Church in the spirit world,yes they'll tell you of miracles and the gifts of the the holy spirit but woe betide any congregation member that ever develops such a capacity they will hunt you the 4 corners of the earth to protect their precious fairy story.



posted on May, 14 2017 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: khnum

You are living in a complete misunderstanding of what is going on here.

It is very clear first that you don't have the most minimum idea on what are you referring to, and perhaps on nothing that has to do with Fatima messages and mysteries.

This is Not thread of people into rites based on personal curses or sorcery of any kind, we don't make works of that here, that is the path of the devil.

It is not anybody here responsible of what ever happen with your life now or at future or with your soul after you pass away.

I was warning you as soon as I noticed the boldness of your claims and you think I was cursing you? Come on, what is going on with you?

Are your thoughts, actions and omissions, in other words you yourself who will face God at some point, so be cautious of what you do.

Probably you are of course not entirely responsible of the errors you are living in, also the people that led you to reach this way of thinking will receive their part too, but that is not a great consolation at all.

It is Incredible the things one must deal with thanks to the so strong subculture of New Age and witchery that has corrupted the minds of millions in America on these days.

The Angel of Lightness

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posted on May, 14 2017 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate
It saddens me that someone with such faith can be so lost.

I'll pray for you.


I'll pray for him too.



posted on May, 14 2017 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: The angel of light
'Love God and do what thou whilst',St Augustine
Sorry I operate out of love not fear you have my God mistaken for yours,sorry he isnt.
and I have met your Satanic cults best up the deep end so your threats dont bother me
the last 20 years the Catholic church has gone to the dark side overtly instead of covertly
I am sorry it still has you captive.
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pps I have suffered 20 years of persecution including physical torture I assure you if Im going to hell
Ill see you there
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posted on May, 14 2017 @ 12:23 PM
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double post
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posted on May, 14 2017 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: khnum


Luke 23:34

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. 



I put you in the hands of God Almighty and pray that you really find rest, forgiveness and Peace.

I wish that you be able to break that cycle of negativity you clearly has been through for so much long time.

May the divine mercy help you move away from it toward the path of love and forgiveness instead to continue living in the one of hatred or resentment.

May the Lord release you from the chains that make you see curses every where or push you to try to curse others that try to help you.

The Angel of Lightness

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posted on May, 14 2017 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: RisenMessiah

Pray for you, your people and your children instead, that is my advise. Thanks.


St Luke 23: 27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children..


The Angel of Lightness


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posted on May, 14 2017 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: KiwiNite

No at all, there was no evidence of anything to do with radiation in Fatima Apparitions.

Two of the children died along the following two and three years respectively, the siblings Jacinta and Francisco Marto but not of any poisoning with radiation, it was the Spanish Influenza that killed millions.

Now, the third kid grew up and had an extremely long and healthy life, living until 95 years old, that was Sister Lucia dos Santos.

The Angel of Lightness



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 04:04 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

I love your faith, I wish I had the same. All I can seein the first two videos is very bright lights, next to other, very bright lights. the fact they have a shape similar to a body doesn't really mean anything.



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 04:26 AM
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a reply to: bobsa

I realise it is difficult to believe in the world of HD television, in person the apparition is much easier to discern. Below is another apparition that I know very little about, but there is a much clearer shot of her on the roof.




posted on May, 15 2017 @ 06:59 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

again, nothing discernable in them, I have a couple of issues with these types of video:



  1. The images are never clear
  2. they could easily be created using desktop video editing software
  3. if a diety of any kind was going to appear, why so obfuscated and to so few people?


I would also question, why Mary and not Jesus? Mary is not a godhead. and please don't say a test of faith, its a stock answer when it comes to religion.



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: bobsa
a reply to: markosity1973

again, nothing discernable in them, I have a couple of issues with these types of video:



  1. The images are never clear
  2. they could easily be created using desktop video editing software
  3. if a diety of any kind was going to appear, why so obfuscated and to so few people?


I would also question, why Mary and not Jesus? Mary is not a godhead. and please don't say a test of faith, its a stock answer when it comes to religion.
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This is why I stated that when I show evidence people will not believe.

Jesus cannot return until the appointed hour. Scriptures say so. Mary has a very long history of appearing with messages ie this is far from new. Fatima was preceded by Lourdes in France for instance. And there are many images of Mary to be found in ancient churches.

As for the video quality, I've addressed that. You take a 2011a phone and take footage of the moon. Then tell me how clear it is. Angelic entities are described as beings if light. And these images support that. There is a clear outline of a figure, it is just the detail that is impossible to see. And I've covered off on the pitfalls of phone cameras.

I'll admit that anyone with the correct skills could use software to create those images. However, when you combine those images with eye witness testimony from people numbering in the hundreds through to tens of thousands as with Fatima and Zeitoun, it becomes more difficult to dismiss.

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posted on May, 15 2017 @ 04:41 PM
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Words, words, all words. Stories told by children. Groups of people who all see something different. It's all pretty sad if that's what adds up to be your Holy Virgin Mary.



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift

Children tales ? Really? Just mere words? Your ignorance is appalling!

Up to 100000 witnesses saw the wonders happened in Fatima a Century ago, from all ages and social conditions.

The same happened in Egypt in 1950s, and the Muslims accepted as authentic the miracle, as well as the secular Socialist authorities of Gamal Abdul Nasser regime.

In Medjugorje the signals were visible at miles of distance such that in the middle of the civil war no army dared to bomb the town, that was located in between the fronts of battle.

The Angel of Lightness

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posted on May, 24 2017 @ 01:40 AM
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After analyzing what happened in Fatima on May 13, 2017, that I discuss in detail in my threads, I reach to the conclusion the main event (s) stand between now and October. Perhaps July 2017 is the landmark date of the 100 years of Satan, because then the secrets were told. But even if it is October...the difference is not that big.

I take for a true value the text of Neues Europa that speaks of a thermonuclear war that will kill millions, will turn oceans to steam, and so on. That is further confirmed by the vague words of St pope John Paul II in Fulda.

At the same time, knowing that Neues Europa is close enough but not identical to the original text of the third secret (cardinal Ottaviani) and its core element is missing (Malachi Martin) one may wonder what more is enclosed in the real secret. I discuss various possibilities in my threads.

Therefore, WW3 may be the first out of two (or more) chastisements to mankind. It doesn't have to follow the script of the Cold War with MAD doctrine between superpowers. It could follow asymmetric warfare as described by the defected colonel Lunev from GRU (interview available online). It may involve the radical terrorist groups armed with the latest weapons. Of course it could be the classical surprise attack by superpowers or by newly created nuclear powers like North Korea. I don't know.

After that, the surviving portion of humanity have to brace for even bigger event of apocalyptic character, be it Planet X or another celestial event. (there are enough scenarios presented in stricking detail by Hollywood industry...only for the money, or to warn us in the way they are ordered to do).

Where is the salvation plan? Those who pray will see. I have more to say in my threads based on my own research.

Time is ticking! Only 50 days to July 13! Only 4+ months to October 13! One doesn't have to assume the latest dates as the actual dates of events. We can see how quickly a horrible terrorist act in Manchester could eclipse everything else. And that is not comparable to what has been said by John Paul II in Fulda or Neues Europa, or Malachi Martin.
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posted on May, 26 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

Angel, why did you invite me in your thread, if you didn't answer a single post of me? And I see your thread ends up in silence by the other posters as well. I have several Fatima threads where I could say whatever I want to, without being self-censored



posted on May, 28 2017 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

Hi Dear 2012newstart,

I beg you to pay attention to four things:

1) please provide clear references about the claims you want to discuss here, I never by the way bring nothing in my threads that if it is not my own recollection is not fully and clearly supported in links to reliable and credited sources, accessible online. I don't open to much space to vague speculations.

2) Please be a little more patient, I work for one of the top ranked Universities of America doing research in Science and Engineering, as well as to teach, large groups of professionals in formation, so naturally I have personal Priorities to attend.

3) I am not really a doomsday Prophet, I sincerely think humanity is crossing through a decisive period of History, yes we are seeing a trend of generalization of an international conflict that may be worst than any other before, also the pollution of the planet is reaching worrying levels and that is damaging ecosystems, also it is quite clear that we could be strike by an Asteroid or Comet anytime , but I perceive the existence of a protective power that will react before the planet collapse.

4) Somebody or something is trying to help us from above and it is pretty concerned to don't allow us to reach the point of global anhilitation. That superior intelligence is not ruled by our sectarian obsessions, the very extended idea that Salvation is handled as a private corporation where only the ones that have bought the correct ticket or password will be raptured. That super mind is selfishless, it thinks from a generous perspective, it is not planning an evacuation plan before to destroy what has been monitoring for millennia.

Thanks

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on May, 31 2017 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: The angel of light

Angel I didn't say you should cancel any other activities for this forum.

Particularly, I posted about the latest homily of pope Francis in Fatima, where he compared us the believers to the Manchild of Revelation 12. That is not speculation, that is what the successor of Peter said. Apparently going away with millenia old church fathers superimposition that the manchild of revelation cannot be anyone else than Jesus Christ himself (despite the obvious contradictions in that simplified and convenient picture).
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I am not doomsday prophet too. I prefer to see Era of Peace coming.

A century time period was clearly indicated by multiple sources, cardinal Ottaviani-Neues Europa being one of them. St John XXIII saying the secret does not refer to his pontificate, being another one. If I elaborate on John XXIII, if it was the floating "in the second half of the 20th century", then he could not say with certainty it wasn't in his pontificate. What if Our Lady said "after one century" and the church leaders preferred not to disclose it, because the multitudes would just repeat John XXIII words for themselves-what concerns me at all, if it is after my death...

We have about 40 days until July 13 when the secrets were told to the children, and several more months to October 13. War is possible of course. But as you correctly noticed, someone stops it.

I never said that rapture tickets are exclusive to a closed club. In all my posts I develop the other idea, that ALL who want to follow God's ways, will find them, regardless of "sectarian" or other divisive lines. Whether it is a rapture-like rescue, or it is last moment avert of the just chastisement, or it is protected regions/cities on earth, I don't know. I haven't read Fatima secret. That doesn't stop me to reflect in sober reality plan what is theoretically possible. Of course God has the last word. But He showed in the history of salvation that He uses imperfect humans and imperfect tools - such as the wooden arc of Noah.
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