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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Byrd
They were also getting weapons from the USA. They did a good job of playing everybody with small non-aligned cells to try to get what they could from the big boys, and then simply funnel them back to their primary group. Once the jig was up, many of the smaller groups simply disappeared and reabsorbed into their parent company.
originally posted by: Byrd
As Worldstarcountry said, you appear to have some misconceptions about the area. The towns were quite cosmopolitan (until various wars and bombs destroyed them) with tvs, good electric service, and so forth. Even now, cell phones are common (as is access to the Internet) -- unless you're in an area overrun by DAESH (think of them as an invading army) where they've destroyed power plants and anything that smacks of Western culture.
And the society was changing (and in some areas it is changing. Saudi Arabia is now permitting women to drive and is opening up other freedoms to women. This is not because someone bombed them or attacked them. It's because of the influence of Western culture (which has some clerics up in arms, but as women driving and working becomes normalized, the clerics lose their power.)
Pence's view of what should be done won't achieve that. He doesn't know who or where (they're not all hiding in tunnels) ... he "just knows" that if we kill them all that there's no possibility (ever) that someone will decide to take up the cause again and start the recruiting and fighting all over again. Or that some of the non-DAESH groups will step into the power vacuum.
Simplistic answers ("kill them" - as Pence proposes) simply don't work in a complex society and in a situation where there's a lot of background problems (such as other groups that are now fighting DAESH but who have similar ideas about society) that aren't addressed. It's like running up to a huge fire with a bucket of water and saying "I got this!" (if the fire is in a refinery, that bucket of water is going to cause a world of hurt instead of putting out the fire.)
- LockNLoad- I am personally in favor of pulling all our personnel out and letting the Middle Eastern countries handle their own problems, but it's not my decision to make.
- Byrd- We broadly agree on this.
Islamic State warriors
originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Byrd
I thought the crusades were there to protect the pilgrims and Jerusalem. I say lets place Christians, arabs, jews all at Megiddo at last and get it over with.