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Are you proud of your country???

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posted on May, 23 2017 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: Bluesma

It's not a 'Christian' thing, it's shameful.
Only the US and Eritrea taxes it's citizens on income earned overseas.
You have to renounce your citizenship to avoid it. Doesn't sound like the land of the free to me.




posted on May, 23 2017 @ 01:45 AM
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If Michelle can be so can i.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
So how do you inspire me to work hard in your communist utopia?

This is a common question but I'm pretty sure it would be what inspires you know.

I'm pretty sure the utopian version still has personal property which includes savings.
edit on 23-5-2017 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

If the utopia still means my hard work allows me to have more shiny things than lazy bastards who wanna sit on their arse all day then I'm all for it.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: Christosterone

I am proud of my county and what it has become. I am proud of freedom of speech, religion and the recent LGBT equal rights.

I am deeply saddened by those politicians who want to roll back on these rights and try to change them for the worse.

I am proud that my child will attend a school with native americans, afro-americans, asians, mexicans as well as whites. I am proud that she will be around all cultures and religions.

I am saddened by bigotry and hate, I am deeply saddened by our current president and administration and even more upset with the fact that how he got there, is that there is more bigotry and hate in this country than what I thought. I knew it existed but I didnt know it was so wide-spread.

I do have hope that bc of this terrible decision, the pendulum will swing even farther "left" and when this administration is history...we very well could be on our way of patching up and moving on to bigger and better things...universal healthcare, free college for all, space travel, cure for cancer, minimum wage increases, wind and solar energy, a healthier and smarter America.
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posted on May, 23 2017 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

I think the idea that people don't own anything was pretty successful propaganda although it may have been true to a degree in certain places at certain times.

At least on paper the Constitution of the USSR of 1936 even let your family inherit your shiny things.

ARTICLE 10. The right of citizens to personal ownership of their incomes from work and of their savings, of their dwelling houses and subsidiary household economy, their household furniture and utensils and articles of personal use and convenience, as well as the right of inheritance of personal property of citizens, is protected by law.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: FuggleHop

Just in case you didn't know, only two countries in the world taxes it's citizens on earnings received overseas, they are the US, and Eritrea.
LMAO land of the free, you have to renounce citizenship or you still get taxed.

I'll repeat it because it is so funny, only two countries in the world, the US, and Eritrea.
Land of the free my ass.

*edit*
As a Brit I can work abroad and pay no taxes to the UK government, then say I developed cancer or whatever, just fly back to Britain (without being sexually molested by border force staff) and get treated for free.
Socialism is # isn't it lol


Land of the free is not supposed to mean it is free to live in America...lofl

repeat it again knowing this please



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: veracity

Lol okay, but I'm talking about when working overseas, not even living there yet Uncle Sam can still chase you for taxes if you don't renounce citizenship.
I'm surprised US folk aren't more outraged seeing as the only other country in the world with a similar policy is a # hole dictatorship.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

i do not work overseas so it does not affect me, however, i would probably be pretty pissed of if my home, work and life were overseas and I still had to pay taxes in another country. Why wouldnt someone renounce citizenship? it seems like a no-brainer to me.

Like I said, i am not privy to this situation so i do not know much.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: veracity

Heck I'd be pissed off if I was living and working paying tax in say the US, then the British government taxed me again unless I renounced my citizenship.

For slightly different reasons I'd probably pay the extra tax and keep my British citizenship though, mainly because if I developed cancer or whatever I could just fly back and get treated with no extra charges.

US citizens don't even get that luxury of choice.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

hopefully we will soon



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: veracity

I hope so, for you and every citizen of every country in the world.
How the # anyone can support taxes for roads, taxes for fire rescue services and even coastguard, but bitch about taxes to keep our fellow citizens who fall sick, I don't understand it.
smh



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

it is beyond me and anyone who argues against it I am certain they either do not know wtf they are talking about or they are some sort of cardboard that I do not meddle with.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: veracity

I can't comprehend the brutal attitude that people are willing to watch their fellow citizens go bankrupt because they were unlucky enough to get cancer.
I'm even more shocked when they defend it on forums such as ATS.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

its an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality. Its very childish and bc they are old enough to vote...very dangerous.

To have a strong country, we have to take care of our poor, elderly and unfortunate ones.

Their mentality is..."i am not poor, elderly or unfortunate and I dont want to pay for others healthcare"

They would rather save about 25 cents to a couple dollars a month in taxes than prevent unnecessary deaths.

Its selfish and I cannot believe I live among these bottom feeding slimes.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: veracity

We've got similar in the UK with the rising costs of social care, that is outside of the NHS remit, run by city councils etc when you don't need hospital but still need care staff to bathe you or whatever in your own home.

I haven't heard a single person say they would object to extra taxes to properly fund this if the tax is dedicated and earmarked to the service.

It will happen because the majority of citizens want our elderly and disabled to be professionally cared for in the long term.
Personally I'd pay much more tax if needed, and everyone I know is in agreement.

I guess we're just socialist brainwashed sheep, but I'd always choose that over the harsher faces of cruelty in capitalism.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: Christosterone

I am not proud of the USA at all. We were a better nation when my parents were children. Now we are a bunch of spoiled, lazy, whiney asses that make me wish I could leave the whole planet.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Pity the OP bailed on his thread ages ago, I would have been interested in his response.



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: grainofsand

i do not work overseas so it does not affect me, however, i would probably be pretty pissed of if my home, work and life were overseas and I still had to pay taxes in another country. Why wouldnt someone renounce citizenship? it seems like a no-brainer to me.

Like I said, i am not privy to this situation so i do not know much.


- Because once they put these Laws in place (FATCA), they saw a rise in people renouncing citizenship overseas, so they placed a fee of over two thousand dollars to renounce, and obligation to pay taxes from the last five years (before FATCA).
So it is very costly ) between the fee and the fees you pay for a lawyer to prepare, and you still have to pay a huge amount in back taxes.

They also created a US Person term- so that even people who are nto american, but might have some affiliation with an American, are obligated to pay taxes. My husband has to file because he is married to me (has never lived in the US, does not have a green card or american citizenship...). My kids girlfriends and boyfriends count also as US Persons.

Because the US has made it obligatory for foreign banks to report all US person clients, many (or most) banks are refusing to take american clients. We had already been clients at our bank for twenty years when this went into effect, so they kept us, but it is now turning away all new american clients.

In this country, (France) it is a huge obstacle, because of the system. You cannot pay things like rent in cash- it must be wired from a bank account. You do not receive a pay check if you work- you must have a bank account to which you pay shall be wired.
In short, no bank account, no job, no home. Period.



posted on May, 24 2017 @ 12:12 AM
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a reply to: Bluesma

I've been reading that it only applies to spouses (maybe anyone) when they have a joint bank account with a US Citizen.

Seems strange that it would apply to people who are not married unless the "anyone" in parentheses above applies.







 
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