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Are you proud of your country???

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posted on May, 22 2017 @ 02:23 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

People in america cant affford healthcare? Isnt that survival of the fittest?




posted on May, 22 2017 @ 02:27 AM
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a reply to: Bone75

I didn't know you had communist leanings.
Communist or socialist?
I'm only asking because I'm a bit of a mixed bag politically, some right wing views, some left.
I overwhelmingly support universal healthcare for example but I'm vehemently against paying cash benefits to lazy bastards who don't want to work.



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 02:31 AM
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a reply to: FuggleHop

Yes, and unnecessarily cruel.
Now defend the fact that the US will tax your earnings while you work overseas unless you revoke your citizenship.
Sounds totalitarian to me.
Only two countries do that, US and the #hole Eritrea LMFAO.



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 02:36 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Eritrea is not the backward third world country you make it out to be.

If you research Eritrea which sounds like a very pretty girls name you will find that Eritrea is a multi ethnic country with one party.

I think england could probably learn alot from Eritrea and its many peoples and cultured ways of life.

Eritrea has both butterflies AND birds. And its coasts are rich with fishes. Lots of fishes. People can eat fishes. Birds can eat butterflies.

Eritrea has a military. Lots of men are in it.

I see nothing wrong with taxes.



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 02:45 AM
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a reply to: FuggleHop

Bahaha, you are a slave without realising. Almost Stockholm syndrome.
Taxed on earnings when you are overseas and the only way to avoid it is renouncing your citizenship.
Again LMFAO.
YEAH MURICA! Funny as #.



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 02:53 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

I am a slave to nothing but the good book.

I am a slave to no man at all.

I am hear to serve a country. A nation. A nation as it builds a path to peace on sacred ancient land. I am prepared to stand with america but we cannot wait for america to wait for other peoples.

Frankly I am prepared to make a choice between to futers. Its something I dont expect you to understand. It is only possible with effort. We need to drive. We need to drive the choice home. We need to DRIVE the earth. But to do this we must embrace are values. Are talent experience and judgement but be adopted princply in common values and sense.

Are enemies will doubt us and are stability.

But we can drive them out.

To do this we need to be PROUD to be americans without confines of rigid thinking.



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 02:59 AM
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a reply to: FuggleHop

You are a slave to taxes.
You cannot work anywhere in the world without being taxed on your income unless you revoke your citizenship. If you develop cancer or whatever while being taxed working in another country you have to pay for your medical treatment.
I don't, and I'm #ing glad I don't have the same #ty options.

*edit*
Nobody goes bankrupt in the UK for medical bills but shamefully many do in the US.
edit on 22.5.2017 by grainofsand because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 02:59 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

I think its a privilege to pay taxes. Its the christian thing to do.

Give to caesar what is caesars.



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 03:09 AM
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a reply to: FuggleHop

Lol you absolute self confessed slave, politically and theologically.



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 03:17 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Well mabey I am a slave.

Or mabey I just like roads.



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 03:30 AM
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originally posted by: FuggleHop
a reply to: grainofsand

Well mabey I am a slave.

Or mabey I just like roads.

At least you admit it.
....and as a US citizen no road anywhere in the world is free from taxation by the US government.
Land of the free my ass!



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Just because I admit that mabey in your eyes Im a slave that doesnt make it so.

Just because people pay taxes doesnt make them un free.



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 01:51 PM
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I would be proud of my country if we'd get all the lawyers and wall street bankers out of congress and the Senate.

In the real world nobody likes lawyers, or wall street bankers. We just don't trust them. We tell jokes about them, they're punch lines on our sitcoms etc.

Yet we keep electing them into office. There's a huge disconnect.

Since when did we become so stupid as a nation?



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: FuggleHop

Less free than me.
I can work anywhere in the world, even the US, and I'll only pay tax to the host government.
You can work in Britain, pay taxes to the UK government, then get taxed again on that income by the US government.
LMAO land of the free.



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Bone75

I didn't know you had communist leanings.
Communist or socialist?
I'm only asking because I'm a bit of a mixed bag politically, some right wing views, some left.
I overwhelmingly support universal healthcare for example but I'm vehemently against paying cash benefits to lazy bastards who don't want to work.


Communist. I want to do away with money and make everyone work until we no longer have to work. I'm not a big fan of busting my ass so others can have a free ride either.



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

Ooh communist, how do you inspire self employed people like me?



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 11:06 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

I know it wasn't asked of me but if I may give my third person perspective.

The reason I'm butting in is because over time I have noticed that people use the label communism and they seem to be talking about different things.

First off, communism in practice is one thing, we all know what it is and that is the way you are probably using it.

Now I have never read the communist manifesto before and although I'm pretty sure I may have given it a go in the past I don't remember what it says but it often seems, to me, that i remember someone describing it as a system where everyone is self employed. Your question of course triggered that so I figured I would at least take a quick glance and I came upon this:

The bourgeoisie keeps more and more doing away with the scattered state of the population, of the means of production, and of property. It has agglomerated population, centralised the means of production, and has concentrated property in a few hands. The necessary consequence of this was political centralisation. Independent, or but loosely connected provinces, with separate interests, laws, governments, and systems of taxation, became lumped together into one nation, with one government, one code of laws, one national class-interest, one frontier, and one customs-tariff.


Like I said, in practice, communism seems to be contrary to the above but the above is what everyone critical of communism seems to be against. I mean, change the buzz words in that paragraph and you might believe I pulled it from a libertarian text.



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posted on May, 22 2017 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Bone75

Ooh communist, how do you inspire self employed people like me?


By erasing your debt and giving you the deed to your house for starters.

How old are you?



posted on May, 22 2017 @ 11:42 PM
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originally posted by: FuggleHop
a reply to: grainofsand

I think its a privilege to pay taxes. Its the christian thing to do.

Give to caesar what is caesars.


I am not against taxes in general either. When I am taking part in the benefits of being part of a collective, it seems natural that all should sort of pitch in. In the country I live in, we pay pretty high taxes. We also receive a lot in return for that. The public transport system is highly developed, one of the best quality healthcare systems in the world with a national health insurance, free quality education (including university), etc. I have no gripes about paying taxes on this soil.

But you see, for 27 years, I have not driven on the roads of the US, my children not gone to their schools, I don't take from any of those benefits. It doesn't make sense to me that I should pay for them. What's worse is that my children (young adults just starting out in life) suddenly are being asked to pay taxes to a country they barely know.


Why is our hard earned money (whats left after paying taxes here) "Caesars" ? How is this a Christian thing ?



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 01:37 AM
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a reply to: Bone75

I have no debt to erase though.
I'm early 40's.
So how do you inspire me to work hard in your communist utopia?



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