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Science and the Summer of Love... 2017 Style

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posted on May, 11 2017 @ 03:25 PM

This started early this morning with this idea for a thread. The Dalai Lama, quantum physics, duality, and spirituality, I did not see a problem. But never expect the straight path when dealing with quantum physics. Follow me down the rabbit hole…

In his opening speech, Hi Holiness said he only became aware of the relationship between Madhyamaka and quantum physics after he had a conversation with the late Raja Ramanna, an Indian nuclear physicist.

According to Madhyamaka thought, nothing has a fixed or permanent nature. Nagarjuna clarified this by positing two truths – conventional and ultimate truth. He said that it is possible to perceive things as really existing, which is the conventional truth, and at the same time recognizing that they do not have inherent existence, which is the ultimate truth.

The most glaring of this example of this Buddhist thought in physics is the wave-particle duality which states that fermions and bosons can exhibit the characteristics of both wave and particle but cannot be wholly reduced to either.

[W]hat Einstein and the physicists want to point out is that such contradictory thoughts can become complimentary with each other. In the same way, the Dalai Lama emphasized during his talk that people need to use spirituality and quantum physics to combat suffering and ignorance., April 29, 2017 - Dalai Lama Says Reality Is A Marriage Between Quantum Physics And Spirituality


posted on May, 11 2017 @ 03:26 PM

Then there are a couple threads here I was reading up on and choosing wise words and kind approaches when I realized something. I had two stories up both concerning the mind, artificial intelligence, and the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle (quantum mechanics). I had the Uncertainty Principal up in a math equation to explain how simple the math really is when viewed as an equation.

Then three letters jumped out at me! One, an “L” being the first, the last is a “D” with the middle one being an “S.” Here at ATS, we are not allowed to talk about our personal experiences and the editor oh so kindly blanks out these “evil letters”! Here on out I am replacing those “evil letters” with “T&C-25” so you can understand what the h3ll I’m talking about.

I’ve placed this all in a separate thread so it can be closed, reviewed, killed without affecting the other threads.

First, this thread:

ATS, Sci & Tech: Scientists evade the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

I was going to quote a few choice items from the below article. - Quantum Tunneling, [T&C-25], Neuroscience, Doors of Perception.

The author does a nice historical review with a really great quote from Hoffman. What follows is a first-hand account of purchasing some Owsley (Yes, that guy from Jimi Hendrix’s lyrics, “Owsley can you see me now!”) Purple Haze and his experience in 1967. In the end, it is all wrapped in the science of quantum mechanics. He ties in quantum tunneling and T&C-25 into a very balanced, well thought out conclusion as a solution to the multiverse.

He mentions HUP on several occasions and I was going pick one I particularly liked.

These quotes are linked and are rather profound. They need to be read and known prior to reading the article above.

If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, Infinite.
-William Blake

There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception.
- Aldous Huxley


edit on 11-5-2017 by TEOTWAWKIAIFF because: making a crazy thread

posted on May, 11 2017 @ 03:26 PM

ATS, Sci & Tech: Big Data has us on a collision course with the Singularity.

To which I was going to counter with… - Can [T&C-25] Microdosing Tip The Scales in a New Human Versus AI Battle?

(Yeah, I know it is sciencealert) It is more of announcement that somebody is crowd-funding a study.

Her plan is to recruit 20 participants who will be given low doses - either 10, 20, or 50 micrograms - of T&C-25, or a placebo, across four different occasions.


But I found this to be really interesting.

So people have begun experimenting recreationally with microdosing instead - usually taking less than around 20 micrograms of T&C-25 to get the brain-boosting benefits without the high (it's something of a fad in Silicon Valley right now).

Which in turn is a hyperlink to this story. - Scientists are about to find out how Silicon Valley's [T&C-25] habit really affects productivity.

Which also has the lady from the crowd-funding announcement. But they talk to some other Silicone Valley uh,… experimenters?… volunteers?... psychonauts?... hippies? Whatever label you choose.

The argument is that T&C-25 dose have an effect that does not occur without using it! Now it is going to be studied. T&C-25 keeps people creative and that is how they will always be in front of AI.

Quantum mechanics, spirituality, AI, and T&C-25. What a strange web has been woven for me today! It started so peacefully with His Holiness giving profound advice about science and spirituality. Then a white rabbit hole appeared...

Science and the Summer of Love… 2017 Style?

Remember, there is no such thing as coincidence.

--end transmission--
edit on 11-5-2017 by TEOTWAWKIAIFF because: Let me out of the rabbit hole!

posted on May, 11 2017 @ 03:54 PM
So this is more of an observation thread.

Wave-particle duality, Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, the Dalai Lama, even Einstein made an appearance!

It is like being a character in Robert Anton Wilson's novel Illuminatus!

The mind, observing a particle, then launching perception sideways... these things happen to me when I start getting into quantum mechanics in a meaningful manner. I am not really searching for anything then they all collide at once.

Universe has a sense of humor it seems!

I'll ask: Does this happen to anybody else when studying QM? Multiple synchronicities and/or high strangeness?

posted on May, 11 2017 @ 04:26 PM

Great post...this is old hat for me, partly because I once sat through an entire two-day conference on this subject with the Dalai Lama at Union Theological Seminary. I apologize for not responding more specifically, but just in case you're serious about the Buddhism-Quantum connection, and to make a long story short:

Yes Madhyamaka and Quantum Physics are related. But I would aver, that the philosophical dimension where the two -- that is to say, Buddhist philosophy and quantum physics -- converge most explicitly, with the greatest possible implications, is Dzogchen. Google that, or for the full story (including extensive learned references to David Bohm et. al. on the cutting edge of physics and philosophy of science), see the following two titles by the late, great Prof. Herbert V. Guenther:

From Reductionism to Creativity

Matrix of Mystery: Scientific and Humanistic Aspects of rDzogs-chen Thought

The reason Dzogchen is not invoked on the subject of quantum physics is that hardly anyone -- least of all the majority of trained scientists -- can really grasp its philosophical dimensions properly without also knowing Tibetan and being steeped in the traditions and practices thereof (with noteworthy exceptions such as Herbert V. Guenther and Steven Goodman of CIIS). Madhyamaka, on the other hand, is easy to understand.

The philosophical affinity goes much further than e.g., the philosophical paradoxes related to superposition, wave function and so on. The deepest affinity concerns entanglement and on that, Madhyamaka has little if anything to add. Dzogchen, on the other hand, has a mountain of hithertofore unsuspected relevance when it comes to the possibility and implications of quantum entanglement (not to mention how that relates to cosmology and the origins of the universe).

Read the above titles for further details.

posted on May, 11 2017 @ 04:30 PM

Amazing what a nice chunky organic molecule, C20H25N3O, in such small numbers, can do. WTF. It does have something to do with the present topic. Glad you mentioned.

posted on May, 11 2017 @ 05:18 PM
a reply to: Namdru

I saw the cover of the Matrix of Mystery and thought of the Nazca Lines! Similar enough to google "Nazca lines mandala". There are similarities but also differences. What a jump! Planck's constant to Tibetan mandala drawn on a desert in Peru (??).

Thank you for the links! I think!
Here I am trying to get out of a rabbit hole to be put down another. LOL. I wish I was at home and could pick up my old Eastern Religions and Philosophy books. I might just do that this weekend if the weather is bad. Definitely read them when I can. And look out for the ones you linked.

As for that "chunky organic molecule" this is not the first time we crossed paths here on ATS! Usually in the strangest of places. Today was/is strange.

You need a sense of humor at times otherwise you walk around with your mouth agape for no reason!

posted on May, 11 2017 @ 09:41 PM

Do you think particles are delusions because since we measure the existence of particles with a device that is only capable of discrete measurements we are missing the fact that reality is really just continuous waves of energy where every wave is connected and part of every other wave.

posted on May, 12 2017 @ 07:13 AM

You need a sense of humor at times otherwise you walk around with your mouth agape for no reason!

Exactly. Which is why I talk to myself. It reduces the drool time by about 50%!

posted on May, 12 2017 @ 10:54 AM
This reminded me of Maria Sabina and how psychedelics were used for healing:

"And none of it, of course, had anything to do with the indigenous uses of the mushroom, whose purpose was to cure sick people by, among other things, making them vomit. And she adds: “Before Wasson nobody took the mushrooms only to find God. They were always taken for the sick to get well.”

Which is also what Albert Hoffman suggested:

Although Albert Hofmann, the Swiss chemist who first synthesised C20H25N3O in 1938, suggested that “very small doses” might one day be used as “a euphoriant or antidepressant”

“As long as there are different nationalities, there will be patriotism. This feeling must be eradicated from our hearts before permanent peace can be established. Its place must be filled by love of nature and scientific ideal. Science and discovery are the great forces which will lead to that consummation….The consequences of such an advance are incalculable. A new epoch in human history would be inaugurated and a colossal revolution in moral, social and other respects accomplished, innumerable causes of trouble would be removed, our lives profoundly modified for the better, and a new and firm foundation laid to all that makes for peace."

Or in the words of Wavy Gravy "We are all the same person trying to shake hands with our self."

posted on May, 12 2017 @ 12:53 PM
a reply to: Michet

Perhaps there is a cosmic consciousness, a quantum continuum of consciousness, which contains all information, and that one need only a brain that can tune in and tap into select channels. Perhaps Mozart possessed a brain such as this.

( article)

Reminds of Hunter S. Thompson's words...

Five year later, six?, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark — that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.

Which is part of the high strangeness of this thread! Are we going to see what happens with a fully activated consciousness meets science? Or is it like Hunter says, a wave of time that will never come again but one that you were there, that you lived through, whatever it meant...

What a time to be in the midst of it. And this time people are talking about it! Have you seen the threads here on ayahuasca? mushrooms? Uh, this stuff is finally getting attention as "medicinal" for treating depression and PTSD. I for one, welcome this research as nobody should suffer because some natural substance is labeled "against the law."

Maybe the feeling of oneness will actually take hold and transform society. *fingers crossed*

Because not everybody saw this wonderful thread that relies upon T&C-25 as a main plotline over in the literature forum: _9MOTHER9HORSE9EYES9: the mysterious tale terrifying Reddit.

edit on 12-5-2017 by TEOTWAWKIAIFF because: fix link... grrrr

posted on May, 12 2017 @ 01:03 PM
a reply to: dfnj2015

Great question!

Everything can be described as a wave (or wave function). Even the entire universe is expanding which is a type of wave. Did you see the DNA and the wavefunction, thread? Pondering if the wave function is viewable via your DNA. Each living creature would see the world different!

Explains dark matter and dark energy as a wave we cannot see but can infer by how it interacts with the waves we can see.

It is a fun concept to think about in those moments when you can kick back and relax!

edit on 12-5-2017 by TEOTWAWKIAIFF because: clarity

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