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The Democrats Conspiracy Theory is Dead in the Water

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posted on May, 10 2017 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: dragonridr

Clapper resigned Jan 20. He's been out of the loop for nearly four months. Also, speaking of being in the loop, in his recent testimony, Clapper clarified his earlier statements, saying that he was completely unaware of the FBI's counterintelligence investigation:


During my tenure as DNI, it was my practice to defer to the FBI director, both Director Mueller and then subsequently Director Comey, on whether, when and to what extent they would inform me about such investigations. This stems from the unique position of the FBI, which straddles both intelligence and law enforcement. And as a consequence, I was not aware of the counterintelligence investigation Director Comey first referred to during his testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee for Intelligence on the 20th of March, and that comports with my public statements.


The investigation that Comey was privy to started sometime in early Decemeber and involved something like two dozen agents. It seems highly unlikely that a comprehensive investigation could have been completed in the span of a month, particularly when one considers that that FBI investigation is currently ongoing. It is therefore unreasonable to conclude that Clapper's lack of knowledge of conclusive evidence of collusion is anything approaching a final word on the matter.



Is a counter-intelligence investigation different from a criminal investigation?

If it is, how is it different?



From Wikipedia:



Counterintelligence (CI) investigations are conducted to prove or disprove an allegation of espionage or otherintelligence activities, such as sabotage, assassination, or other national security crimes conducted by or on behalf of aforeign government, organization, or person or international terrorists.




Criminal investigation is an applied science that involves the study of facts, used to identify, locate and prove the guilt of an accused criminal. A complete criminal investigation can include searching, interviews, interrogations, evidence collection and preservation and various methods of investigation.

edit on 10-5-2017 by Stevemagegod because: (no reason given)




posted on May, 10 2017 @ 08:01 PM
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I really do not give much weight to the anti-Trump democrats nor the democrat puppets in MSM

you gotta realize, the democrats had 8 long years of holding-their-tongues from criticizing the potus of the time or be forever labeled a racist...
...so, the MSM & the progressive/libtard/lefties from the once Democratic Party are falling all over each others verbal attacks on Trump... a convienient punching-bag for these socialist-fascists, because Trump is a PW (privileged-white-guy) in the upper economic level & successful at various endeavors (which absolutely destroys the Obama mantra that 'You did not build it'

I remain mildly amused how one democrat will slam Trump on a Trump position ~for~ something
and another democrat will slam Trump on a Trump Position that is ~against~ a very strong 'for' position....
IOW, Trump is absolutely wrong just because he's got a skin tone that gets tan from the Sun or a tanning bed



posted on May, 10 2017 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
We need one of those images of quotes from every official who says that there is no evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia to affect the 2016 U.S. election. Where do you find things like that online?


Tell you what... You find all the images and I'll make it.

Pm me.



posted on May, 10 2017 @ 08:37 PM
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In my life I Have encountered idiots that couldnt help it . Idiots that were trying to change. Never , till I heard Warren speak for the first time , had I ever encountered someone deeply and truly committed to being a perfect idiot . It must be her life-long ambition....well , she is almost there....



posted on May, 10 2017 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: Stevemagegod


GRAHAM: Ms. Yates, do you have any evidence — are you aware of any evidence that would suggest that in the 2016 campaign anybody in the Trump campaign colluded — colluded with the Russian government intelligence services in improper fashion?

YATES: And Senator, my answer to that question would require me to reveal classified information. And so, I — I can't answer that.


Thats Legal Talk for there is no evidence.



God your threads are just complete fiction from your own little universe aren't they.

Not answering because the information is classified is NOT Legal talk for NO Evidence. How could it be since having No Evidence couldn't possibly be Classified. It can't be anything as it's NO EVIDENCE.

Only some form of Evidence can be classified information. You can't classify nothing.

You're not making sense.



posted on May, 10 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

No not at all.

Nothing awkward about it. Personally lets just do away with the 22nd amendment and let a president actually accomplish something for once!



posted on May, 10 2017 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Hes making total sense. You just got to concentrate while you read. Its like reading the work of a more abstruse philososopher like Kierkekgard.

When you read his work youre thinking cap has to be on.



posted on May, 10 2017 @ 10:25 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: Stevemagegod


GRAHAM: Ms. Yates, do you have any evidence — are you aware of any evidence that would suggest that in the 2016 campaign anybody in the Trump campaign colluded — colluded with the Russian government intelligence services in improper fashion?

YATES: And Senator, my answer to that question would require me to reveal classified information. And so, I — I can't answer that.


Thats Legal Talk for there is no evidence.



God your threads are just complete fiction from your own little universe aren't they.

Not answering because the information is classified is NOT Legal talk for NO Evidence. How could it be since having No Evidence couldn't possibly be Classified. It can't be anything as it's NO EVIDENCE.

Only some form of Evidence can be classified information. You can't classify nothing.

You're not making sense.


Did you watch the hearing? Because Graham tried to spin the question even further in ways they can understand and still no evidence was put forward. Theve had over a year to investigate and nothing was put forward but I — I can't answer that.



posted on May, 11 2017 @ 02:50 AM
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originally posted by: Tempter

Donald Trump was elected to become the President of Federal Government overseeing the States by a non-partisan electoral college.

Right?



If you think the electoral college is non-partisan you need to do some learning about it.



posted on May, 11 2017 @ 05:44 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Just keep repeating that silently to yourself. The Obama admin was listening in on everyone involved with Trump since June/July of 2016. If you seriously think that one of Obamas co-conspirators found something and didn't immediately turn it over than you are kidding yourself. There is no evidence of collusion. Why do we keep hearing that from those with access to the Intel?



posted on May, 11 2017 @ 05:50 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Comey was not a very good director of the FBI.

He was bad enough to piss off members of both parties.

Sometimes a firing is just a firing.



He also pissed off the field agents and others in the FBI. The agent we meet with at work on a monthly basis confirmed that for me. Good riddance Comey!



posted on May, 11 2017 @ 05:57 AM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
How does firing Comey have any influence on the Russian investigation? People are acting like Comey was the one doing the research and leg-work, and once he got close, he was fired. That's laughable, the FBI investigators were the ones doing the hard work, Comey was basically just a figure head. If Trump starts firing the 150 FBI investigators looking at the Russian situation, maybe then democrats would have an argument, but as of now all they have is "anti-Trump at any cost." Comey protected Hillary and Lynch, then last week lied/misled Congress, that's why he was fired, it makes no sense trying to tie it to Russia.

If Comey can protect Hillary and Lynch, could the next FBI director not protect Trump?

Is that so difficult an issue to understand?



posted on May, 11 2017 @ 06:25 AM
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a reply to: Templeton


The dems conspiracy theory was dead in the water to begin with. Russia influenced nothing. They might have tried in the same way CNN tried. The french election is being touted as having been hacked by Russians in much the same way. It did not sway the outcome there either which detracts from the Dem foundation of Russian influence. Russia did not hack the election. Russia did not influence the election. It is okay for Trump's team to buddy up to them in the same way Obama did in his hot mic exchange. It's called diplomacy.


So, from your perspective, the issue is not whether a siting President fired the Director of the FBI for arbitrary political reasons, but rather that the Russians did not influence the election? The Russians did not influence the election... the Russians did not influence the election... the Russians did not influence the election....



posted on May, 11 2017 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: Mike.Ockizard

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Comey was not a very good director of the FBI.

He was bad enough to piss off members of both parties.

Sometimes a firing is just a firing.



He also pissed off the field agents and others in the FBI. The agent we meet with at work on a monthly basis confirmed that for me. Good riddance Comey!


Have you reported that agent for violating his code of conduct?



posted on May, 11 2017 @ 07:29 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Templeton


The dems conspiracy theory was dead in the water to begin with. Russia influenced nothing. They might have tried in the same way CNN tried. The french election is being touted as having been hacked by Russians in much the same way. It did not sway the outcome there either which detracts from the Dem foundation of Russian influence. Russia did not hack the election. Russia did not influence the election. It is okay for Trump's team to buddy up to them in the same way Obama did in his hot mic exchange. It's called diplomacy.


So, from your perspective, the issue is not whether a siting President fired the Director of the FBI for arbitrary political reasons, but rather that the Russians did not influence the election? The Russians did not influence the election... the Russians did not influence the election... the Russians did not influence the election....


So i guess you dont believe Comey violated rules as director? Argue all you like but id say everyone thinks he needed to go. Even dems wont say he didnt deserve it. The argument seems to be over timing but is there ever a good time? I dont care if he is even doing this for political reasons because all it did was intensify the heat. If there is something for Trump to worry about this was a dumb move. He freed up Comey to say whatever he wants without fear. At least while working for him he had some control. He gave amunition to the house and senate investigations. If he did do something wrong his actions as any idiot would see is going to make things worse for him.

Now if hes innocent and doesn't care, than firing him doesnt matter in the least.
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posted on May, 11 2017 @ 07:43 AM
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Its hard for me to feel bad for Comey in any way here. The Trump innuendo....ill get to that in a minute.

The FBI is a useless organization, seemingly only in place to provide the impetus and fear that the government needs. And since 9/11 its gone to all hell.

What crime does the FBI prevent? What I see them doing is finding idiots to run through entrapment schemes. Locate some moron who is easily suggestible, and hand them a plan created by the FBI. Have the handlers walk them through every step until they slap the cuffs on him, then point publicly that they are still finding terror plots all over the place. They've been caught doing this time and time again. Their main gig is masterminding terror plots so they can entrap idiots who are easily suggestible.

The federal government has no reason for a federal police force. The states have multiple layers of law enforcement aside from the multiple Uncle Sam has thrown in for no good reason. With Comey now fired, I say we abolish the FBI. THey serve no purpose. They spend enormous amounts of money to create their own crime plots to bust. On a personal note, having met a few FBI agents out of the Midland office, i have to say the arrogance is so far beyond obnoxious that it becomes purely noxious.

RE: Trump and his issue here...im at the point of "put up or shut up". We are 7 some odd months past the stage of allegation....and there is nothing more than allegation to show for it? Jesus Christ, how long can that horse be beaten on before its given up for dead? Feel free to keep talking about 'Russian collusion"....but to me it sounds like the idiots screaming about Obama's birth certificate....just give it up already, or produce the goods.



posted on May, 11 2017 @ 09:02 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Templeton


The dems conspiracy theory was dead in the water to begin with. Russia influenced nothing. They might have tried in the same way CNN tried. The french election is being touted as having been hacked by Russians in much the same way. It did not sway the outcome there either which detracts from the Dem foundation of Russian influence. Russia did not hack the election. Russia did not influence the election. It is okay for Trump's team to buddy up to them in the same way Obama did in his hot mic exchange. It's called diplomacy.


So, from your perspective, the issue is not whether a siting President fired the Director of the FBI for arbitrary political reasons, but rather that the Russians did not influence the election? The Russians did not influence the election... the Russians did not influence the election... the Russians did not influence the election....


Thats right. Sounds ridiculous doesnt it? However, this perspective is not organic. It is forced from the left that every Trump action is tied to russian influence. It's what we've heard for months...the russians influenced the election...the russians influenced the election....etc. All investigations and narrative stem from this argument, and it is completely unproven. I have no reason to think Comeys dismissal has anything to do with Russians.

Another bit of hilarity, the big reason we are given that Russia wanted to influence the election is to take away citizens faith in the system. The same message the MSM and hateful left have been pushing. So is protecting citizens confidence in government worth punishment of the offenders or not?



posted on May, 11 2017 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


No matter. Trump might have just written his own impeachment with this move. Special Investigation, here we come!

Lmao, keep on grasping at those straws, it's good entertainment.
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posted on May, 12 2017 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Mike.Ockizard

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Comey was not a very good director of the FBI.

He was bad enough to piss off members of both parties.

Sometimes a firing is just a firing.



He also pissed off the field agents and others in the FBI. The agent we meet with at work on a monthly basis confirmed that for me. Good riddance Comey!


Have you reported that agent for violating his code of conduct?


And why would I do that? It's in the news. Didn't you notice? Maybe I should also report the deputy director as well?




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