President Trump Fires James Comey

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Tranceopticalinclined
This thread is funny.

You guys realize how insane it is to have this 2 sided argument against one another, when neither of yours sides did ANYTHING.

None of the american people voted Trump into office, you elected the state representatives who voted for Trump as the president.

So, you're really fighting over your state's representatives, than anything else so personal as an opinion.

Why isn't that the bigger issue?

Is it easier to fight one another in a verbal mortal kombat?

Our government is broken, but instead of everyone being upset about that, we are name calling and arguing over democrat and republican?

If you all really thing it's that simple, then please continue arguing, but if you think there is more to the whole issue, then please let's utilize ATS and discuss such, otherwise this thread isn't doing much more than giving ATS adsense revenue.

I suggest you Google the American presidential electoral process. What you just described is not how it works.

Ummm actually we have a representative republic with democratic elections. We elect our representatives to the government.
Our respective parties then select their delegates under their supervision the "electors" then wait until the popular vote comes in for each state then award electors to the various canidates.
the Popular vote is used only to dictate the amount of electoral votes and not a representative vote of actual choice by our representatives.

I'm well aware of that. That's just not what she described. She described a system in which we have no say. That is wildly inaccurate. It's not just up to "the state reps". The state reps don't even have a say. The electors determine the president, and the electors vote based on how their state populace voted, in some states they are even legally bound to do so. The "state reps" didn't flip enough blue states red to win Trump the presidency. The people did that.

a reply to: face23785

I'mma dude, but it's all good scro, no butthurt feelings.

Just to clarify, I wasn't speaking of the House of Representatives when I said state representative, I was speaking of electors.

I then quoted a good bit from the whole electoral process.

The American people DO NOT directly vote for the president, we vote for state electors, who then say they will vote this way or that as a pledge. But that aspect of voting is not as democrated as we would want to think, since as we've had it this time round, the popular vote doesn't represent the actual vote turnout.

I say the system is broken because there are plenty of examples of how this process can backfire and cause outcomes that are not inline with the majority of the people of the United States of America, something that many have come to feel isn't as democrated as it should be.

The majority of people in any given state do not always agree with the elector's decision to vote for who they do, so that coupled with the aspect that a majority of people can vote for a person to be president but that person doesn't become president based off the majority is not as democrated as we believe it to be.

It's an allocated system of voting generalization, which isn't by it's very definition a " Democracy " :

a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Unless of course you omit that 1st part about the WHOLE POPULATION electing instead of the " eligible " members...

Am I the only one who finds the timing of this cute little photo op of Trump palling around with Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov too convenient?

Despite the poor relations we have with Russia right now, Trump seems happier to meet with Lavrov than he was to meet with our allies in Europe or Japan!

It would be nice to have some document that would clarify where Trump was getting his money from to finance all his resorts, golf courses and condo towers... Where could we find such a document? A document that Americans have to file each year as a declaration of income and itemized tax write offs... Man that would really be nice to see. Could really put an end to all this speculation...

a reply to: AnonyMason


President Trump is smiling like he just closed a deal to avert War with Russia. Excellent! He's the man!

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert

You can argue all you like about it being just his opinion and that we do not know what the FBI thinks, but the fact remains that what the FBI "thinks" is quite important. That is why they make recommendations to the JD on cases.

I never said his opinion wasn't important. I stated "The FBI is not a federal court, and the FBI director is not a prosecutor, and he is definitely neither judge nor jury. "What we think about it" is actually up to a jury to conclude". The point is he should not have shared his opinions in a press conference, especially during an election.

So what they, the FBI, think about it is important and not just up to the jury to conclude.

That's the point I was trying to make.

a reply to: carewemust

Maybe so. But the Secretary of Defense isn't so certain about any cesation of conflict in Syria because of a move to establish "safe zones". The pentagon expects that American ground troops will need to have a heavier pressence in Syria because of it and despite any "safe zone" territories marked out on a map, the US has no plans of diverting it's airborne assets flight paths.

The devil is in the details. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

if Hillary was elected president, and Comey continued the investigation of her and the e-mails, and then Hillary fired him?... the republicans would have immediately call for impeachment...but it's the republicans in charge, or should I say the Russians, so it's no big deal

a reply to: Indigo5

In tears...then they should not be in the FBI. Give me a f'n break.

As far as conspiracy, I was not talking about his death as a suicide. I am talking about the fallout and you made it sound like all the FBI director Clinton fired was put up his 'wall' and some other travel issues..linked to Foster as well. Open your eyes once in awhile and see things are connected in many different ways. Do not simply brush it off as conspiracy.

He was NOT well liked. Hell, 4 months ago the people who want him to investigate Trump were saying he was a tool for what he did to Clinton. I also understand he took his marching orders from his old boss Mrs Lynch but if he knew it was wrong, as the director of the largest domestic investigation arm, she should not have caved.

He was given time by Trump to make it right or resign, he did not, and now he is gone.

I would look at all of these failures to start...

But even before the 2016 campaign, the FBI endured a number of humiliations under Comey's tenure. Most damning were revelations that the FBI was generally aware of almost every terrorist who successfully struck America over the last eight years. Here are 10 of Comey's biggest embarrassments at the FBI:
1. Before he bombed the Boston Marathon, the FBI interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev but let him go. Russia sent the Obama Administration a second warning, but the FBI opted against investigating him again.
2. Shortly after the NSA scandal exploded in 2013, the FBI was exposed conducting its own data mining on innocent Americans; the agency, Bloomberg reported, retains that material for decades (even if no wrongdoing is found).
3. The FBI had possession of emails sent by Nidal Hasan saying he wanted to kill his fellow soldiers to protect the Taliban -- but didn't intervene, leading many critics to argue the tragedy that resulted in the death of 31 Americans at Fort Hood could have been prevented.
4. During the Obama Administration, the FBI claimed that two private jets were being used primarily for counterterrorism, when in fact they were mostly being used for Eric Holder and Robert Mueller's business and personal travel.
5. When the FBI demanded Apple create a "backdoor" that would allow law enforcement agencies to unlock the cell phones of various suspects, the company refused, sparking a battle between the feds and America's biggest tech company. What makes this incident indicative of Comey's questionable management of the agency is that a) The FBI jumped the gun, as they were indeed ultimately able to crack the San Bernardino terrorist's phone, and b) Almost every other major national security figure sided with Apple (from former CIA Director General Petraeus to former CIA Director James Woolsey to former director of the NSA, General Michael Hayden), warning that such a "crack" would inevitably wind up in the wrong hands.
6. In 2015, the FBI conducted a controversial raid on a Texas political meeting, finger printing, photographing, and seizing phones from attendees (some in the group believe in restoring Texas as an independent constitutional republic).
7. During its investigation into Hillary Clinton's mishandling of classified material, the FBI made an unusual deal in which Clinton aides were both given immunity and allowed to destroy their laptops.
8. The father of the radical Islamist who detonated a backpack bomb in New York City in 2016 alerted the FBI to his son's radicalization. The FBI, however, cleared Ahmad Khan Rahami after a brief interview.
9. The FBI also investigated the terrorist who killed 49 people and wounded 53 more at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Fla. Despite a more than 10-month investigation of Omar Mateen -- during which Mateen admitting lying to agents -- the FBI opted against pressing further and closed its case.
10. CBS recently reported that when two terrorists sought to kill Americans attending the "Draw Muhammad" event in Garland, Texas, the FBI not only had an understanding an attack was coming, but actually had an undercover agent traveling with the Islamists, Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi. The FBI has refused to comment on why the agent on the scene did not intervene during the attack.

He was Obamas lackey and thank god he is gone.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: butcherguy
I guess this is the new Democrat strategy, calling it a 'Russian Coup'.
Now everything bad that happens to them will be blamed on the 'coup'.

Seems like it... the more they dig and find nothing the more desperate the rhetoric becomes.

More like the more digging...the more recusals, resignations and now firings..and hell we are just 100 days in?

Trumps administration is a leaky cist in need of draining...

a reply to: carewemust

Occurs they will the media wants to keep feeding the hopeful witch hunt of the Democrats on the Russian collusion, they house of card is falling down, falling down and they can not find a darn thing.



drain the stinky Obama swamp that took over Washington.

originally posted by: AnonyMason

Am I the only one who finds the timing of this cute little photo op of Trump palling around with Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov too convenient?

Despite the poor relations we have with Russia right now, Trump seems happier to meet with Lavrov than he was to meet with our allies in Europe or Japan!

That's because Trump's boss told him to take the meeting and smile for the camera's...optics be damned..

Trump is not smiling...he is bearing teeth and squinting...

originally posted by: jimmyx
if Hillary was elected president, and Comey continued the investigation of her and the e-mails, and then Hillary fired him?... the republicans would have immediately call for impeachment...but it's the republicans in charge, or should I say the Russians, so it's no big deal

I would feel the same way of Hillary had fired him, if she were elected.

Comey was doing his job and got caught-up in a political # storm.

originally posted by: Tranceopticalinclined
a reply to: face23785

I'mma dude, but it's all good scro, no butthurt feelings.

Just to clarify, I wasn't speaking of the House of Representatives when I said state representative, I was speaking of electors.

I then quoted a good bit from the whole electoral process.

The American people DO NOT directly vote for the president, we vote for state electors, who then say they will vote this way or that as a pledge. But that aspect of voting is not as democrated as we would want to think, since as we've had it this time round, the popular vote doesn't represent the actual vote turnout.

I say the system is broken because there are plenty of examples of how this process can backfire and cause outcomes that are not inline with the majority of the people of the United States of America, something that many have come to feel isn't as democrated as it should be.

The majority of people in any given state do not always agree with the elector's decision to vote for who they do, so that coupled with the aspect that a majority of people can vote for a person to be president but that person doesn't become president based off the majority is not as democrated as we believe it to be.

It's an allocated system of voting generalization, which isn't by it's very definition a " Democracy " :

a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Unless of course you omit that 1st part about the WHOLE POPULATION electing instead of the " eligible " members...

We actually don't vote for the electors. The electors do vote in accordance with how we voted though, with a few exceptions which never amount to anything more than grandstanding. The point is, we do have control. We the people of each state that went for Trump are the reason he is president. I personally live in a state, PA, which normally goes for the Dem candidate but we flipped enough counties for the state to go to Trump. If it were only up to the big wigs of the state, believe me it would've went for Clinton.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: TheRedneck

No one cares about her anymore. What is this obsession you all have with her?
Why? What?!!!

Who cares about her? She's done. Soon to be visiting your nearest casino theatre. Or Branson, Missouri.

She's LITERALLY an also-ran. A public figure ("actress") who has aged out of her niche. Why can't you just move on? What about her stupid emails is so poisonous to you? Do you not care that Russia was in bed with Trump? That Kushner is selling US citizenship for a mere $500,000 dollars from the Chinese?

That he doesn't have the slightest idea what he thinks until he either reads it on Twitter, or sees himself say it on TV?

How are you okay with that?

Nice continued parrotting of the talking heads. You do know Clinton just started setting up a Super PAC to continue interfering in the Country's business? Oh, and her constant selling of access wihle Secretary of State criminally FAR outweighs the non-supported collusion rumors (Trump-Russia).

No, her stupid emails don't matter. SHE doesn't matter. Trump/Russia is a thing, and no matter how much you try to shush those of us who are actually paying attention and don't care about Hillary. "Talking heads" indeed. TRUMP's team colluded with RUSSIA, who interfered with our election. That is a FACT.

They just did it in France, too - so there's that. That thing. That was thwarted because we KNOW THEY DID IT TO US.

Trump will be impeached, and none too soon.
Hillary isn't the POTUS! Get over it!! Trump is far, far more dangerous.

Stockholm Syndrome - that's what you all are suffering from. You just can't digest the fact that Trump is just as bad (nay, WORSE) than anything you could have imagined. He's a fail. A big fat orange-tinged FAIL and a LIAR and he LIED TO YOU and you believed all his stupid claims were really going to happen.

Snake oil salesman, and only an average one. But you all fell for it.
You are to blame for this. YOU, if you voted for this idiot.

Question: How long would you stay in a relationship with a person you had fancied once you discovered that EVERYTHING they said was a lie? That they NEVER would have been able to build you a castle shiny wall, or round up every person with brown skin and ship them out? That they only want rich scumbags who ruined our economy in high-up positions?

HOW LONG are you willing to stay in that relationship? Is it just your foolish pride? I know it smarts. It hurts, and it sucks to be violated like that. I've been in positions like that - and it's shocking to realize what the person said and what they really are a two very different things.

So sad that there are so very many of you....so foolish to vote for a lying unprepared braggart who can't complete an entire sentence.

This video explains how we see you. Every single one of you who voted for this ridiculous excuse for a competent leader.

I'm not even joking when I say you should seek psychiatric help.

I don't care how many times you or the media repeat there is Trump Russian collusion - No real evidence has been presented. Clapper, and even Pelosi have admitted there is no evidence, you have so much cognitive dissonance you will not even accept it when people on your own side tell you there is nothing to the charges.

You are presenting a video of a standup comedian as proof Trump is dangerous??? Do you not understand how weak of an argument that is?

As far as France goes - Let me get this straight Russia is all powerful and got Trump elected - but even though they were on LePens side - she got decimated by 35%? Seriously think about this - both cannot be true. You are destroying your own arguments and apparently are so delusional with Trump hatred you cannot even see it.

As far as why do I still support Trump - well he really hasn't done much I disapprove of. I am not really very happy with his healthcare package - but I understand that a good reform will not pass congress because they are controlled by the medical and Insurance lobbies.

It's true Trump says some stupid stuff from time to time. Look no one said he is perfect, but so far I like him a heck of a lot more than Obama.

a reply to: face23785

Correct and more specifically...State Reps have nothing to do with it. Each state party chooses an "elector" and if their party wins they send their "elector"..So the party elects their elector in each state..not the people of the state...and states reps have nothing to do with it.

a reply to: jimmyx

If Bill Clinton had fired the FBI director?

Oh wait, he did,

The next day Vince Foster turns up dead.

Who cared then?

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: carewemust

Occurs they will the media wants to keep feeding the hopeful witch hunt of the Democrats on the Russian collusion, they house of card is falling down, falling down and they can not find a darn thing.

drain the stinky Obama swamp that took over Washington.

first...you're wrong....if "they" whoever you think "they" are, find something, they don't immediately come out to tell you. it's not how investigations of this magnitude work....apparently if YOU are not informed on a daily or even weekly basis about the white house ties to Russia, then in your opinion there is no evidence....

a reply to: jimmyx

Indeed.

The term "ongoing investigation" is something people are desperately struggling with.

a reply to: jimmyx

first...you're wrong...

You sure about that?

The Hillary Clinton email scandal is often traced back to a front-page New York Times report in March 2015 —

www.washingtonpost.com... 407783b5af

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: jimmyx

If Bill Clinton had fired the FBI director?

Oh wait, he did,

The next day Vince Foster turns up dead.

Who cared then?

Clinton fired sessions because of allegations he was doing some shady stuff in regards to taxes and misappropriation of government funds.

Comey has not done anything even remotely close.

So it's not a good comparison.