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posted on May, 9 2017 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

The word most people seem to have completely forgotten in this discussion about nationalism is jingoism which is the extreme and negative form of patriotism and nationalistic pride.

We can have patriotism and be nationalistic so long as we do not tip over into jingoism.




posted on May, 9 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Kali74

Antifa vs. Neo-Nazis, both on the opposing sides.


Ostensibly, but they use exactly the same tactics to achieve the same ends. So are they really so different are just two sides of the same coin?



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

As it has been pointed out both sides can be as authoritarian.
Communism on the far left. Fascism on the far right.
Both opposite each other. Both hate each other.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 03:13 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: ketsuko

As it has been pointed out both sides can be as authoritarian.
Communism on the far left. Fascism on the far right.
Both opposite each other. Both hate each other.


And both have the same goal - communism or fascism. You are looking at government top down control of the people and state.

Tyranny.

So I repeat - they use the same tactics to achieve the same ends.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko



So I repeat - they use the same tactics to achieve the same ends.


No one claimed otherwise.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Kali74

How am I changing the definition?

I see the word facists/facism and believe it belongs to not only the far right, but also the far left.

And no I'm not taking about Antifa at all, I'm talking about the entire "left" movement, but I already know you will disagree with that assertion.

These are only my opinions.


You believe that the entire Left movement (what movement?) is fascist?



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

"no one"

I dispute that. There are a few people who do dispute that. I am not necessarily pointing at you, but there are others here who see Antifa in quite a different light than people fighting for a system that will usher in tyranny if they get their way and using tactics identical to those they claim to oppose.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

You're speaking of those Antifa members that were here? They got me to understand that not all Antifa groups are like that. But maybe you're right. I know some people do justify violence and not see it as "authoritarian".



posted on May, 10 2017 @ 12:34 PM
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Far left progressivism is the same as communism and dictorial socialism like Hugo Chavez and Maduro is doing.Same thing Stalin did with Russia.
edit on 10-5-2017 by Jobeycool because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 10 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

If you are "left wing", you support violence.

I believe in equal opportunity, and judging people based on the content of their character. I could care less where you want to stick your hoo-hoo when you go home. I also empathize with the poor and homeless.

I am also against violence, except when used strictly in self-defense.

Leftist policy sounds all warm and fuzzy on paper. A socialist society sounds great, as long as you ignore history and very basic human nature.

Using violence to steal someone's money, property, or freedom under any circumstance is wrong. Using the STATE to enact this violence is just as wrong and immoral. Using armed men to violently steal MY money so that you can "help" someone else, is NOT okay.

Pretend 4 people are standing in a room. If three of those people vote to gang up on the fourth person, steal their wallet, and then give it to a fifth person because he doesn't have "as much." Is that an act of violence, or is that "helping someone."

Using that state to perpetuate violence is still violence. Progressives and other far left people believe in an ideology that is 100% based on violence and theft. It makes it worse that most of you also want to take away our right to self defense before doing so.

Being progressive isn't some wonderful badge to wear. You can virtue signal and pretend that you care about people all you want, but at the end of the day, you support state sponsored violence and therefore YOU are violent.



posted on May, 11 2017 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
The left loves to brand anyone they disagree with as far-right, yet they never question their own beliefs and whether they lean into a political extreme, what I will refer to as the far-left.

Funny.
Here you do the exact same with other people. Because to me, this sounds like everyone to the left of your perceived ideal is far-left.
Anyway.


Before I go any further I should make it clear that I lean to the right; I'm for small decentralized government,
left in my country

I'm for personal freedom and liberty without excessive government interference in our lives
definitely left in my country

, I'm for free market capitalism because I believe it achieves the highest average standard of living and the fastest rate of technological progress. (etc)
Yeah, that is a mixture of left/right in my view.

In my social environment, the devision is between "progressive" (left) and "conservative" (right).
Wanting to change the government is a progressive step, as it does not mean to conserve the status quo.
Freedom and liberty? Well, that would be a change, too. Progressive, therefore left.
Capitalism.. Well, that is tricky. But usually it is seen as "running by the old way", conservative.
But for advancement, that is definitely conservative.

See, the world has many ways.. Not everything you or I assume to be "left" or "right" is the same elsewhere.


Funny. The left clearly now though, does not ask or question anything that is told to them that is also labeled left.

They cannot even think about it, it is all ruled by emotions, or shall I say EMOTICONS,



posted on May, 11 2017 @ 09:21 PM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
The left loves to brand anyone they disagree with as far-right, yet they never question their own beliefs and whether they lean into a political extreme, what I will refer to as the far-left.

Funny.
Here you do the exact same with other people. Because to me, this sounds like everyone to the left of your perceived ideal is far-left.
Anyway.


Before I go any further I should make it clear that I lean to the right; I'm for small decentralized government,
left in my country

I'm for personal freedom and liberty without excessive government interference in our lives
definitely left in my country

, I'm for free market capitalism because I believe it achieves the highest average standard of living and the fastest rate of technological progress. (etc)
Yeah, that is a mixture of left/right in my view.

In my social environment, the devision is between "progressive" (left) and "conservative" (right).
Wanting to change the government is a progressive step, as it does not mean to conserve the status quo.
Freedom and liberty? Well, that would be a change, too. Progressive, therefore left.
Capitalism.. Well, that is tricky. But usually it is seen as "running by the old way", conservative.
But for advancement, that is definitely conservative.

See, the world has many ways.. Not everything you or I assume to be "left" or "right" is the same elsewhere.
Unfortunately Progressivism has left leaning roots and Totalitarianism is mainly a leftist blueprint. Progressives mainly agitate for such radical freedoms like abortion on demand but they are totalitarian in their demands... that is someone else has to pay for what they want and it has to be enforced by laws. I mean really a classic example is Sandra Fluke..... plus Progressives really do agitate for things they use government to enforce..... there is no true freedom or liberty in their approach



posted on May, 12 2017 @ 12:49 AM
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originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Kali74

How am I changing the definition?

I see the word facists/facism and believe it belongs to not only the far right, but also the far left.

And no I'm not taking about Antifa at all, I'm talking about the entire "left" movement, but I already know you will disagree with that assertion.

These are only my opinions.


You believe that the entire Left movement (what movement?) is fascist?
Fascism is still in Left field, just a bit right of communism. Hence the term
Right wing....that is, right wing of leftist Totalitarianism. Remember even the name of the Nazi party stood for National Socialism. Hitler was always a socialist. The main difference between national socialism and international socialism is that national socialism employs nationalistic loyalties to the particular country. The Progressive movement shared with the Nazi Party the belief in eugenics as a way to manage the population.




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