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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
I think it all comes down to freedom.
Everyone wants it. Everyone.
The government may even decide what you can and cannot eat to keep people healthy
and of course they are always implemented by liberal politicians
One should ask themselves, if the left is so in favor of freedom and liberty and letting people do what they want, why are they so attracted to nanny state policies?
They worship their leaders in communist nations, in NK they have pictures of their all glorious supreme leader everywhere.
originally posted by: joemoe
a reply to: dfnj2015
I may not agree with you on many things, but you are right on - "The lobbyists RULE this country" (let me change that "they rule most of the world.") I believe in capitalism, but I also believe that money have no place in politics and government, separating the two at this point is almost impossible. The problem is that those invisible hands in power always try to divide us so that we would ignore them.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015
If someone told you that life was easy, then they lied to you.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015
There is always going to be wealth inequality because not everyone has the same drive, ambitions, strengths, intelligence.
To demand that government equalize everything is the very antithesis of freedom.
Do you have an example of who you think the far Left is and how/who they brand?
Me too and ideally, leading to no government at all.
You seem to be putting authority and liberty on a left-right scale but authority and liberty exist in both the Right and the Left.
I'm for free market Socialism.
Globalism is a world market, not erasing borders and it has come about through Capitalism
My belief is that in the Capitalist version, it's just running around the world exploiting poverty with cheap or slave labor and reaping massive profits for little effort. Whereas the Socialist version rewards the labor and lifts the workers out of poverty.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015
There is always going to be wealth inequality because not everyone has the same drive, ambitions, strengths, intelligence.
To demand that government equalize everything is the very antithesis of freedom.
That is such a lame argument. You just can't admit we have EXTREME wealth inequality in this country. I bet you didn't even look at the video. See that's the problem. How can we even have discussion rooted in reality when nobody can agree we even have a reality.
It doesn't matter how hard you work. It is delusional and nostalgic to think they way you do. Nobody has enough capital to start a business capable of competing with the likes of Home Depot. I get you have dreamy eye love for self-made people. But if you think opportunity is the same in this country it was 40 years ago you are purely delusional.
People DO work hard. It's just the cost of living is suffocating.
All I want government to do is break up the cartels and monopolies by not having laws giving them advantages. You idea of "freedom" is let the CEOs create cartels and monopolies and eff the worker.
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
This is what I find so misleading, the ideology of leftism promotes a classless society with a liberal and non-invasive government, but in practice the exact opposite almost always turns out to the be the case when progressive socialist policies get out of control, and the end result is a nanny state. That is why I pointed out that no heavily socialist or communist nation has ever achieved true equality in practice, and are usually just dictatorships which experience very little progress because there's no motivation to innovate, at least no where near the level of innovation driven by capitalism. So you can talk about this utopia all you want, but when it comes to reality it clear that system can never be practically achieved.