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Gay Genes, Religous implications ?

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IBM

posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV
It doesn't matter if they think it's sinful or not! It's not their place to judge and hate them for it...not to mention that fact that maybe those gay people will repent on their death bed, just like a lot of them repent for going to strip clubs, looking at porn, cheating on the spouse, cheating on taxes, getting drunk, lying to a significant other, lying to sell a car... on and on and on and on....personally I feel it's more of a hatred thing and the bible is just an excuse and a justification to do so. This is the topic that urns my broomsticks more than any other with religion...to hate a whole group of people, top be so damn hypocritical...unless one can say they are sin free...they ought to shut their mouths about gays!


EDIT...

You overcome your weakness.

Then why are there so many divorced Christians, drunkard Christians, Christians that smoke, Christians at the strip clubs, buying porn.....they haven't over come their problems...or is that only for gays in your book!? It's all sinful...

[edit on 2/4/2005 by LadyV]



Im not judging, im just trying to steer the ones who have strayed from the right path. Yes straying from the straight path to the Wrong(gay) path.

[edit on 9-2-2005 by IBM]




posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 11:11 PM
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I agree that to Christians to be gay is a sin. I also agree that I doubt there is any such thing as a gay gene. But I will say to fellow Christians that we are all born with sin, the original sin. Can we overcome it and be good Christians, sure we can but we will always struggle with temptation, sin, bad behavior etc.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 11:16 PM
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A 12 year old is not of an adult age. They young have minds that are maleable and manipulatable. They are vulnerable.

An adult is either 18 or 21 for various aspects of the law.

If someone 18 chooses and is not being pressured by money or other things then they are an adult and can [and will] make the decision for themselves.

Ive been told all my life i am indecent by ignoramouses like you deesw. My perspective will always be different than yours. If youve never been on the outside looking in you will never understand.

Sexuality is a biological function that is an interaction between the mind and body. Unlike you i don't saddle it up with a lot of conventional baggage.

Evolution is your cross to bear not mine.
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IBM

posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 11:21 PM
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The fact that gay genes dont exist can be proven by the fact that if you take a gay male and a gay female and make them mate, their children will not be gay. When a gay couple do have children of thier own(obviosly only one is the biological parent as nature intended it) why do they raise kids as heterosexuals and not gays, because it is abnormal. Nature will not tolerate it. The reason for sexual selection is for the survival of the species. If you want to attack my religious point of view I shall provide a scientific point of view. Being gay is abnormal, otherwise why would nature make sex in the first place. It is for the spreading of genes. Why is it that the rate of AIDs among gay men is higher than the rate among straight? Nature is destroying the gays, it is taking unusual means to achieve this. Being could also be nature's unnatural approach at population control.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by deesw



For me and you...it's now so long! Hello happy button!


It's about time Ladyv. It's been getting really boring listening to you take up for every immoral thing on this planet. You need to reevaluate your life and figure out once in for all that there are things in this world that are wrong, and that you do not have to accept everyone, or like everyone. I have in no way been mean to anyone on here. There are a lot of extra sensitive people on here. If you get that angry when people disagree with you,,,, you should not post on here. Go on, be gone then. Have a happy day and enjoy your wiccanism.


First time I have ever done this


You have voted deesw for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by IBM

You made a choice to be gay, its really that simple.


Ah yes indeed.
IBM is one of those who insist on spouting the most retarded crap without ever looking at anything scientific, or the post he is replying to for that matter.

First of all, the quote you replied to, was about someone explaining that he did not choose to be straight, he was just born straight. Your poor reading capabilities make you look like a fool.

As for "choosing to be gay", let me explain it one more time, you better pay attention.

Some people are born in a "sinfull" state, some are born damaged.
It happens all the time, and God does not prevent this, just like God does not prevent babies getting killed in wars.

Now as for being gay, I will point you and the other ignorant ape towards two links. If those links do not help you overcome your utter ignorance then probably nothing will, and I will give up.

Link one is about the fact that taking diet pills in your pregnancy increases the chance you will have gay children.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

The second link is about a research with gay sheep.

www.newscientist.com...


Let's hope these links wake some people up over here.

[edit on 10-2-2005 by Jakko]



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331

First time I have ever done this


You have voted deesw for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


Wow, I seriously didn't expect you do go this low.
Agreeing with dees?
Bah, what is ATS coming to?



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 04:05 AM
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Originally posted by deesw

A person has no choice what color skin he has,,,, but he has a choice of who he lays down with, plain and simple. To imply he doesn't, is the same as implying that Jeffry Dahmer had no choice to do the things he did, he was born that way.


Ah another ATSer who does not know the difference between sex and sexual orientation. You know talking to you is quite lame.

Deesw, you did not choose to be straight (if you are straight).
You were lucky enough to be born straight.
Talking about others who were not lucky enough to be born straight, as if they choose to have the desires they have, is beyond retarded, seriously.
It's also arrogant. As if you made the "right" choice.

You did not make the right choice, you did not make any choice.
You were born straight. You could not "learn" yourself to be turned on by your own gender because that's just not how you were born.
The actual sex is always a choice, just like walking is a choice. But the orientation is not a choice.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331


First time I have ever done this


You have voted deesw for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Just goes to show that there are people who use the "way above" vote for frivolous posts instead of intelligent, thought provoking post that deny ignorance and help the community grow in knowledge as it is intended...but then there will always be those that abuse everything



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV

Just goes to show that there are people who use the "way above" vote for frivolous posts instead of intelligent, thought provoking post that deny ignorance and help the community grow in knowledge as it is intended...but then there will always be those that abuse everything


Thats exactly the type of post I thought it was Lady V.
You dont agree? Too #ing bad.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 07:08 AM
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IBM is one of those who insist on spouting the most retarded crap without ever looking at anything scientific, or the post he is replying to for that matter


Dude you don't really think there is something scientific about being homosexual do you? It's not scientific, it's sinful.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 07:11 AM
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Just goes to show that there are people who use the "way above" vote for frivolous posts instead of intelligent, thought provoking post that deny ignorance and help the community grow in knowledge as it is intended...but then there will always be those that abuse everything


How is advocating homosexuality helping the community? How will society benefit from it? Sux for you to see anyone agreeing with me doesn't it?



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by deesw

Dude you don't really think there is something scientific about being homosexual do you? It's not scientific, it's sinful.


Do you ever try to actually understand a post before you reply?
I was talking about investigations, experiments and research in the scientiffic world regarding gay people.
I guess it's a whole new area for you, but you may wanna dig into it before you share your nonsense with the ATS community.

fyi: God gave us brains for a reason, we are supposed to think about things and refrain from the quick, simplistic answers you have for gay people who are christian.

[edit on 10-2-2005 by Jakko]



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331

Thats exactly the type of post I thought it was Lady V.
You dont agree? Too #ing bad.


I guess the line "Americans are Gods chosen people" kinda allready revealed what kind of a person you are.
Your ATS pointcount just gives us the wrong impression I guess.

And no his post was not intelligent at all. Maybe if he would have actually replied to points mentioned earlyer it could have been, but he didn't.
Again, I would like you, and IBM and dees to respond to the links I posted.
I am sure you have some easy quick simplistic and mostly wrong reply to that as well?

[edit on 10-2-2005 by Jakko]



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 08:11 AM
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Jakko dont like my sig? Don't like my views? dont lke how I use my "way above" votes?
Too #ing bad.
I thought it was a great post, factually true, compassionate, short, and to the point.
As for your links
1) so its saying that taking that drug seems to correlate to a stastistical rise in homosexual offspring. Smoking crack when your pregnant seems to correlate to a statistical rise in crack head offspring.
Awnser to both, Brain damage.
2) Shows that gays do in fact have abnormal brain structures thus implying homosexuality is a birth defect. So what so is being born deaf, thats why we invented hearing aids.



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331


Thats exactly the type of post I thought it was Lady V.
You dont agree? Too #ing bad.

No...it's a typical response posted by someone that looks at things one sided. Everything is viewed through what an old book that tells them to think, and while there is nothing wrong with being faithful in your religion.....anything can be taken to ignorance and stupidity. The way above function is for well thought out post that show open minded deny ignorance, fairness....but, whatever...you seem to do whatever you want right up to telling me it's "too f$#%ing" bad, which the censers caught but you can see it when you hit quote....
that's usually the way your type work...resort to cussing, your showing your intelligence level there....


[edit on 2/10/2005 by LadyV]



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 08:34 AM
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Yes I look at things from one side.............. Mine.
I dont care whther you accept the truth Lady V you wanna be a Godless heathen well My god gave you that right. You wanna defend Immorality? same awnser.
You want me to accept immorality? Too #ing bad.
As for censors I paid to have them removed so if I wanna cuss 'm gonna. Dont like it? Too #ing bad.
The way above functon is a way to aknowledge and praise those whose posts you think have contributed above and beyond the norm to ATS. I though his post did that you disagree? Too #ing bad.
As for showing my intellgence level Lady V, well in reference to yourself I am reminded of an old saying
"Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and pisses off the pig"
If anything written in my posts offends anybody
Too #ing Bad.


IBM

posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by Jakko

Originally posted by IBM

You made a choice to be gay, its really that simple.


Ah yes indeed.
IBM is one of those who insist on spouting the most retarded crap without ever looking at anything scientific, or the post he is replying to for that matter.

First of all, the quote you replied to, was about someone explaining that he did not choose to be straight, he was just born straight. Your poor reading capabilities make you look like a fool.

As for "choosing to be gay", let me explain it one more time, you better pay attention.

Some people are born in a "sinfull" state, some are born damaged.
It happens all the time, and God does not prevent this, just like God does not prevent babies getting killed in wars.

Now as for being gay, I will point you and the other ignorant ape towards two links. If those links do not help you overcome your utter ignorance then probably nothing will, and I will give up.

Link one is about the fact that taking diet pills in your pregnancy increases the chance you will have gay children.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

The second link is about a research with gay sheep.

www.newscientist.com...


Let's hope these links wake some people up over here.

[edit on 10-2-2005 by Jakko]


Ok let me ask you why is it that gay couples raise thier kids to be straight if they truly believe their orientation to be acceptable? Jakko another thing, I in one of my previous posts did make a scientific explanation. I am ver religious yet I also belive that nature used evolution to put sex into existence to pass on genes. Nature made sex, not the scientists, scientists can only explain sex, and abnormalities such as homosexuality.


Originally posted by Jakko
fyi: God gave us brains for a reason, we are supposed to think about things and refrain from the quick,
[edit on 10-2-2005 by Jakko]


God gave us brains to think and not commit sin such as homosexualtiy.

[edit on 10-2-2005 by IBM]



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 08:42 AM
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I thought I was the only one that could get all the love.

LadyV, your right to do and say as you wish....



But gay genes is just stupid. A simple mutation...........intended to kill off the lesser of the species............Lack of reproduction ends the mutation......

gays are "recruited" not "born".



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 08:42 AM
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mwm1331..Yep...that's good Christian there...you are the typical type of Christian that I usually run into, and why when I had a lapse at one point in my life about my faith, I chose after much thought on the Christians I knew...to stay with it.....I could never see myself as so crude, crass, uncaring, and bigoted towards others.
I tend to be a very kid hearted and caring person.....



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