Atheists have no answers

I am atheist. Ask me the questions you seek answers to. Maybe I can help?

Go ahead, you've nothing to lose!

originally posted by: coomba98
a reply to: Padawan Raggedyman

Raggs i was a christian for 1/2 my life. Went every sunday plus was part of the Boys Brigade. I know Christianity.

In my example about rape, god is giving the rapist a get out of jail free card, whilst allowing the innocent child to live the rest of their life scarred physically and mentally.

When his so all powerful and loving, he could have stopped it before it happened. Instead watching the act and allowing it to occur time and time again around the world.

How is this love? Just? Right?

This is plain monstrous!

And you talk about free will! How many times did god intervene in the bible?

Coomba98

Wow boys brigade cool
So you went through the motions, doesn't mean you were a christian

The Old Testament is a different covenant from the New, get that?
God doesn't act like He did in the Old Covenant

How is it love, is it love to control people like robots, is that your love?

Remember Jesus is talking to christians not secularists, He even has a secular law, that by the way you complain about
Biblical law calls for the execution of rapists, OT stuff remember, that's Gods law for today, for the world
Yet I am sure you had a bitch fest earlier how God was unjust in the OT

You offer no logic, no common sense, no continuity.

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: Raggedyman

What about Science that they dont know how it works but they can observe cause and effect.

this is God/consciousness at work...www.psychologytoday.com...

ask and ye shall receive

and be careful what you wish for..

Science doesn't like to deal with things it can't document
You are discussing faith, belief, the illogic

There is no one forcing you to believe in God

originally posted by: Mogzy1977
I am atheist. Ask me the questions you seek answers to. Maybe I can help?

Go ahead, you've nothing to lose!

Where did the Big Bang come from
Where did life come from
Do we have a purpose

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Mogzy1977
I am atheist. Ask me the questions you seek answers to. Maybe I can help?

Go ahead, you've nothing to lose!

Where did the Big Bang come from
Where did life come from
Do we have a purpose

Who says there was a big bang? Who knows where we came from but it sure wasn't from any so called GOD! Life is pretty much pointless! Born, Bitch, Die! Waste of time. Better to have not lived than to have suffered in living only to then die shortly after. Live is so short its a frigging waste of time. No time to do jack sh.t! Pointless! A God......... ridiculous!

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Mogzy1977
I am atheist. Ask me the questions you seek answers to. Maybe I can help?

Go ahead, you've nothing to lose!

Where did the Big Bang come from
Where did life come from
Do we have a purpose

Who says there was a big bang? Who knows where we came from but it sure wasn't from any so called GOD! Life is pretty much pointless! Born, Bitch, Die! Waste of time. Better to have not lived than to have suffered in living only to then die shortly after. Live is so short its a frigging waste of time. No time to do jack sh.t! Pointless! A God......... ridiculous!

Wow, so excited for you
I guess my life, my faith gives me hope, wish I could share it with you
I know you are not interested
I agree, just after death, I have a promise of better things, much better things

a reply to: Raggedyman

i think im a Zeus man now, Cheers

a reply to: randyvs

Ateisest don't have the answers but are keen to learn and search for them
Religious people don't have the answers but don't want to search further then a book made by a human.

Will any of us get answers? most likely not considering the earth has been around for multiple millions of years. Doubt anything will change in our life times.

how about we just find the similarities between each other and stop focusing on the differences and who know ,we might get closer to the truth together, as one.

a reply to: Padawan Raggedyman

Raggs,

You can't say things like:

originally posted by: Padawan Raggedyman
Wow boys brigade cool
So you went through the motions, doesn't mean you were a christian

When you dont know me personally! I was right in it for a long long time digger and even prayed to god everyday morning and night. The church i went to was good, nice people and were kind and generous.

Saying things like that is an Ignorance Fallacy. Aka: I dont know so im gonna make sh!t up and go with that.

Then you refer to the OT.

originally posted by: Padawan Raggedyman
The Old Testament is a different covenant from the New, get that?
God doesn't act like He did in the Old Covenant.
How is it love, is it love to control people like robots, is that your love?

First off:
God is almighty, all powerful, perfect in everyway, unchanging....... UNCHANGING!!! Yet his not like what he was in the OT.

originally posted by: Padawan Raggedyman
How is it love, is it love to control people like robots, is that your love?

If a parent walks in on their child being raped, is it against free will to stop said act and potentially beat the living crap out of the rapist? Maybe kill the sick f*cker? Is that against free will? What a stupid analogy Raggs.

originally posted by: Padawan Raggedyman
Remember Jesus is talking to christians not secularists, He even has a secular law, that by the way you complain about
Biblical law calls for the execution of rapists, OT stuff remember, that's Gods law for today, for the world

And you say I dont know Christianity. sigh.

Jesus was talking to Jews. Non-Jews came after his death. He even said:

Matthew 15:24
"He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

Not the non-jews aka Gentiles

originally posted by: Padawan Raggedyman
Biblical law calls for the execution of rapists, OT stuff remember, that's Gods law for today, for the world

And here we go with the OT that you threw out before. But your wrong.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
"28: If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,
29: he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

So god is condeming a person that has been raped to a life with her rapist. How morally just is that!! And thats OT stuff right there, the OT you refer to, yet reject when it suits you!! WTF!!!

originally posted by: Padawan Raggedyman
You offer no logic, no common sense, no continuity.

Your telling me Padawan. Your telling me.

Shesh talk about uneducated in their own religion.

Coomba98
(ps. ive read the bible front to back 3 times. Once as a believer, Once as an unbeliever, and Once as Ohhh Aliens.
And no I dont believe in the Ancient Alien Theory. But its more believable than God no?) lol.

a reply to: Raggedyman

I don't know, have never known, and never will know. There are my answers. I dont claim to know anything just as Christians do. That does not mean however, that me not knowing makes you right and me wrong.

So now I ask you this seeing as you have faith and believe in God -

Who created God?
Who is God?
Where is God?
WHY is God?

You have had honest answers from me, now answer those questions I have put forward to you. I have a feeling they will be the same as mine! The only difference between us is my logic in only accepting fact when presented with evidence or no evidence.

originally posted by: Mogzy1977
a reply to: Raggedyman

I don't know, have never known, and never will know. There are my answers. I dont claim to know anything just as Christians do. That does not mean however, that me not knowing makes you right and me wrong.

So now I ask you this seeing as you have faith and believe in God -

Who created God?
Who is God?
Where is God?
WHY is God?

You have had honest answers from me, now answer those questions I have put forward to you. I have a feeling they will be the same as mine! The only difference between us is my logic in only accepting fact when presented with evidence or no evidence.

I never said I knew everything, never claimed that at all, wrong guy.

The bible states God has no beginning or end, work that out for yourself, I have a finite mind so...
God is in heaven, heaven is where God is.
Why I'd God, because He is, He created us for relationship, friendship, to be equals i suspect?

The rest, I don't know, never said I did, never said atheists don't have answers either

I just draw the line at being told that science has evidence for the Big Bang, life and evolution, simple?

Also, I never said I was right and you are wrong, your projecting, it seems like what Every atheist does here abouts

a reply to: coomba98

Your logic is flawed
I don't want to argue with you Coombs

Believe what you want, again your logic is flawed

One minute your talking about children then virgins and suggesting they are the same, moving goalposts to win the argument

Jesus said something in John 16, 14, 15, 16 you work it out

a reply to: Padawan Raggedyman

originally posted by: Padawan Raggedyman

Your logic is flawed
I don't want to argue with you Coombs

Believe what you want, again your logic is flawed

You say its flawed but you neglect to elaborate on why. Why is that?

Because im right? Yes because im right.

originally posted by: Padawan Raggedyman
One minute your talking about children then virgins and suggesting they are the same, moving goalposts to win the argument

errr yes childeren not young adults!! This is pre-teen digger, pre-teen. Even if teenager or not, as some adults are virgins. However, virgin or not.... rape is rape. Yet its ok to rape a child so long as you marry her for life.

Aks: subjugate the child (pre-teen) to her rapist for life!!! WFT How imorale is that! Your just spilling crap to justify your demon god.

Talk about digging a hole and jumping in it!

originally posted by: Padawan Raggedyman
Jesus said something in John 16, 14, 15, 16 you work it out

Not sure what your point is here. His talking to jews on how to get to heaven no? Jews not non-jews.

Still digging Raggs? Yes, yes you are.

Dont like quoting? Here we go for you ohh lazy one:

John 14:
The Way, the Truth, and the Life
14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions;[a] if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

The Father Revealed
7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

The Answered Prayer
12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask[c] anything in My name, I will do it.

Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep[d] My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Indwelling of the Father and the Son
19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”

23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

The Gift of His Peace
25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said,[e] ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

29 “And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here.

15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

16 “These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble. 2 They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you[a] because they have not known the Father nor Me. 4 But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.

And these things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you.

The Work of the Holy Spirit
5 “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.[c]

Sorrow Will Turn to Joy
16 “A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father.”

17 Then some of His disciples said among themselves, “What is this that He says to us, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’; and, ‘because I go to the Father’?” 18 They said therefore, “What is this that He says, ‘A little while’? We do not know what He is saying.”

19 Now Jesus knew that they desired to ask Him, and He said to them, “Are you inquiring among yourselves about what I said, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’? 20 Most assuredly, I say to you that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; and you will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will be turned into joy. 21 A woman, when she is in labor, has sorrow because her hour has come; but as soon as she has given birth to the child, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a human being has been born into the world. 22 Therefore you now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you.

23 “And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. 24 Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

Jesus Christ Has Overcome the World
25 “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; 27 for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. 28 I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.”

29 His disciples said to Him, “See, now You are speaking plainly, and using no figure of speech! 30 Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.”

31 Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe? 32 Indeed the hour is coming, yes, has now come, that you will be scattered, each to his own, and will leave Me alone. And yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. 33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will[d] have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

So ive read it... now all here has.

Whats your context with these passages that is a response to my posts?

Or is there none? Are you digging a hole you cannot get out of?

Sounds like I know your holy book better than you Padawan Raggs. Better than you

Master Coomba

edit on 12-5-2017 by coomba98 because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

If I choose to rape you I can count on you blaming God right?

Get out of here with that hollow crap.

If an earthly authority allows its agents to rape children while they are on the job, the parents would have the right to sue that earthly authority.

Earthly authorities are usually led by people who are smart enough to be able to put safeguards in place. Unlike your god who is obviously too stupid to know how to do that. (And yet claims to be smarter than the smartest human.)



If god put you in a position of trust, told me to trust you, but took no measures whatsoever to ensure that you were trustworthy before, then at best god is an unwise steward.

Again what a silly argument, you are bizarre

Do you think people in ministry are chosen by God?
What does God tap them on the shoulder and say, hey you
God allows people free will, does God deny that and force them into ministry

The church has to answer to the earthly authority as well
Please use your brain

I just can not fathom how you think.

Nope, we think that people like you just appoint themselves to these positions and claimed that God tells them to do so. We don't believe in God

a reply to: Raggedyman

You offer no logic, no common sense, no continuity.

Neither do you, and you've been at it here for quite a while now. Never a kind word from you - only spitting. How is that "Christian" behavior? You know how to type out the words 'we are supposed to love' but you devolve EVERY TIME you enter or make a thread into decidedly UN-Christlike behavior towards others.

I think it's just insecurity, and anger. At what, or why, I have no idea, and frankly don't care. Just thought you might want to be reminded yet again that your contributions to these forums are never uplifting or hope-rendering. The message doesn't seem to be sinking in.

For my part, a pre-emptive reminder: I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. I do not believe in "Hell", nor in "Heaven" as you do. I am not a Christian because I don't believe Jesus was the one and only 'son of' "God." We are ALL just as much a part of God. It's a cruel lie to insist otherwise. We are ALL just as much "God" as Jesus was. The Christian (Catholic and Protestant alike) Trinity makes no sense at all unless you go with Jesus's (and my) thinking:

WE ARE ALL PART OF THE DIVINE.

No immaculate conception that resulted in Mary, mother of Jesus, and then her own miraculous impregnation ("virgin birth") with the baby. All just sperm meets egg.

The FACT that we are all conceived by sperm meeting egg is not disputable. We are all part of the "divine" equally; THAT is what Jesus was talking about. He was a Buddhist priest who went to the Jews to try to get through to them using language they were utterly unable to comprehend. The interconnectedness of all of us, as fractals of the Divine. He was right about that, but "Christians" twisted it into a bewildering dissonant bunch of mythology that is anything but uplifting.

But I don't expect you to "get" that. You can't. And that's not your fault, really.
Not everyone has the capacity for deep thought, or philosophical musings. MOST people are just trying to get by, and do their best. I tend to believe everyone is doing the best they can, given their circumstances.

Folks like you included! I think you really are trying to do your best, rags, so that leaves only the explanation that you just aren't very good at it. That you don't really "get" what Jesus was trying to say. You don't succeed in being even remotely Christ-like. Nonjudgmental. You aren't good at that part.

And FWIW, I know my own shortcomings and am aware of my undecided and 'floating' philosophies about it. That's why I AM AN AGNOSTIC.

It's interesting to think about. But you don't have any answers that we haven't already considered.

To wrap up: We'll all get there one day. Reincarnation and continued "trial by fire" - living human lives until we have learned what Jesus spoke about, and then we are released from the cycle of birth/rebirth. It's known as ENLIGHTENMENT.

Try it.


(Also - please note that randyvs (the OP) and I have a very good relationship, despite our differences in belief. We worked that out, and it's nice. I consider him to be a friend on here.)

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: randyvs

God is in us all, God permeates all, knows all things, and is all powerful....

For me...God is consciousness, and i didn't arrive at that conclusion by a creed.

I have just thought about it my whole life..... so consciousness/God told me,

ask and ye shall receive, all religions have truth in them, but they have "NOT" to be taken literally.

"The Golden rule" is one example of truth, that is in all religions.

Bumped for truth.

The Golden Rule is the ONLY truth in all religions. The double edge is that if people are nasty to others, they shouldn't expect kindness. You reap what you sow.

Act like a jerk, get treated like a jerk.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Glad you got that off your chest buzz

a reply to: Woodcarver

Well that's clearly not what was implied in that statement to me Woody

I think you missed the whole context of the statement

a reply to: Raggedyman

I apologize for chastising you in the past

originally posted by: Mogzy1977
I am atheist. Ask me the questions you seek answers to. Maybe I can help?

Go ahead, you've nothing to lose!

You're a new face so I'm giving you the upfront respect until
you disrespect if you do. The same as I've done for all members
here. And you should also know upfront that if you disrespect me
or my beliefs I will remember that always. That said you seem to have
missed the premise here. I appreciate your willingness to help but my
questions are sufficiently answered. It seems to me the Atheist are the
only ones asking questions about Christianity, but refuse every answer
they are given. Hoping for some new light here in this thread from you.