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Obama tries to save his failed legacy

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posted on May, 9 2017 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t
All that shows is that people hate Obamacare, but are worried about getting something worse. If Obamacare was good on it's own it would have been popular before this.




posted on May, 9 2017 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Krazysh0t
All that shows is that people hate Obamacare, but are worried about getting something worse. If Obamacare was good on it's own it would have been popular before this.

DUH! That means we should fix Obamacare, not break it or replace it with something worse.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 07:56 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Krazysh0t
All that shows is that people hate Obamacare, but are worried about getting something worse. If Obamacare was good on it's own it would have been popular before this.

DUH! That means we should fix Obamacare, not break it or replace it with something worse.

I agree we should not replace it with something worse. It most certainly should be replaced though, it's a failure. It should be replaced with something that does not suck. I think Republicans are more interested in simply removing the legacy of Obamacare than fixing it. That's a shame. But it's what I expect from both parties. They care only about themselves.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 08:01 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Then we are in agreement. I am all for fixing Obamacare or replacing it with something better, but in order to do that the Republicans need to first admit that Obamacare wasn't a complete failure. If the AHCA is worse than Obamacare, then logically Obamacare succeeds in SOME aspects that the AHCA doesn't. Pre-existing conditions coverage is one of the most notable examples of this. The AHCA pretty much allows insurance companies to kick people off of insurance by pricing them out of the market with the high risk pools, yet Ryan and co have been squirming to explain that aspect. They keep saying that Trumpcare will still cover pre-existing conditions even though everyone knows it won't.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 08:08 AM
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Maybe I am wrong, but as I understand it, that is only if a State decides to remove that part, and it is by default in.

I am for Single Payer personally, but have no problem with States having more options for healthcare. Especially since Obamacare has already failed in such a large portion of the country and there is zero market choices for many people.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 08:34 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Maybe I am wrong, but as I understand it, that is only if a State decides to remove that part, and it is by default in.

Correct, so that means that most liberal and moderate conservative states will keep it in and all the deep red states will remove it. The same states that largely voted for Trump. We already saw how that played out when Obamacare gave States the option to opt out of the Medicare expansion. This time red states won't have Obama to blame for their self-sabotage though.


I am for Single Payer personally, but have no problem with States having more options for healthcare. Especially since Obamacare has already failed in such a large portion of the country and there is zero market choices for many people.

I'm for universal health care at a minimum. From what I understand, France has a working version of Obamacare and then there are single payer systems that also work. It's time to stop pretending like these other countries don't know what they are doing JUST because their answers to health care are *GASP* Socialist.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

if they remove it that is on them, not on Trump. The marketplace is already disappearing and will soon be gone for Obamacare, so it's not working.

I am actually for an "American" Single Payer system. Private healthcare, public insurance. I do not want European style healthcare where all the hospitals are owned by the state.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
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BOSTON (AP) -- Former President Barack Obama, in his first public comments about the ongoing debate over his signature health care plan, implored members of Congress on Sunday to demonstrate political courage even if it goes against their party's positions. Obama briefly returned to the spotlight as he accepted the annual John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award at JFK's presidential library in Boston. The award is named for a 1957 Pulitzer Prize-winning book by Kennedy that profiled eight U.S. senators who risked their careers by taking principled though unpopular positions.


So what is your idea to save this failing legislature that is Obamacare, Mr. Obama? You had 8 years to make something great, instead, you made something that was functional, into a time bomb that can't help but explode.

Before this garbage was passed, there were a small percentage of people who had trouble getting coverage. Rather than coming up with a way to help those people, he decided to screw the rest of the population to help that small group. And in doing so, he didn't have the vision to see that it won't work. (see Mr. Obama, this is kind of complicated)

It's nice that you get awards like this and that Nobel Peach prize for being ........well, from what I can see, it was just FOR BEING. In conclusion, you aren't president anymore, and we really, really don't care what you think at this point. Go give some $400K speeches and slither off somewhere.


obamacare is going to be the least of his worries when he gets dragged into court...
hosted.ap.org...



His aides are engaging in real-time political combat with Trump, including revealing Monday that Obama personally warned his successor against tapping embattled Michael Flynn as his national security adviser.

Now they admit spying on an american citizen, and the presidents knowledge of such, when no collusion with the russians existed and no crime was committed.
#worsethanwatergate



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
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BOSTON (AP) -- Former President Barack Obama, in his first public comments about the ongoing debate over his signature health care plan, implored members of Congress on Sunday to demonstrate political courage even if it goes against their party's positions. Obama briefly returned to the spotlight as he accepted the annual John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award at JFK's presidential library in Boston. The award is named for a 1957 Pulitzer Prize-winning book by Kennedy that profiled eight U.S. senators who risked their careers by taking principled though unpopular positions.


So what is your idea to save this failing legislature that is Obamacare, Mr. Obama? You had 8 years to make something great, instead, you made something that was functional, into a time bomb that can't help but explode.

Before this garbage was passed, there were a small percentage of people who had trouble getting coverage. Rather than coming up with a way to help those people, he decided to screw the rest of the population to help that small group. And in doing so, he didn't have the vision to see that it won't work. (see Mr. Obama, this is kind of complicated)

It's nice that you get awards like this and that Nobel Peach prize for being ........well, from what I can see, it was just FOR BEING. In conclusion, you aren't president anymore, and we really, really don't care what you think at this point. Go give some $400K speeches and slither off somewhere.


In my opinion...Obama and the left put this creature in place knowing that later on, they could adjust it and/or replace it with single payer (Communism and control). What they didn't plan on is losing their majority in government. Trump and his election win, along with the House, Senate and many states was considered impossible by them. I mean...they think they are so great and perfect that it just couldn't happen.

Reality set in and they realized all their plans fell apart. That is why there is so much hate coming from them. They had a plan to transform America into a 3rd World Country dictated to by the Liberal Left. Trump killed that idea and left them destroyed. Their whole plan to "Make America Horrible" was replaced with Trump's to "Make America Great Again".

Thank God!



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Krazysh0t

if they remove it that is on them, not on Trump. The marketplace is already disappearing and will soon be gone for Obamacare, so it's not working.

I am actually for an "American" Single Payer system. Private healthcare, public insurance. I do not want European style healthcare where all the hospitals are owned by the state.

I'm for whatever works the best. I have no qualms against using things that have already proven to work in lieu of forging our own path. We don't have to lead the way in everything. It's perfectly fine to accept that other countries can come up with reasonable solutions too.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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I think the single payer systems in other countries have a lot of problems because they go full tilt socialist. I think a combination of the free market and public insurance would yield the best result. Only one way to find out though.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I repeat: I'm for whatever works the best.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

That last post from me was not meant to be taken argumentatively. I was agreeing with you, and just saying what I would like to see.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 10:17 AM
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Fixing ObamaCare will be expensive, but there will be less disruptions than if the AHCA becomes law with the MacArthur Amendment in tact.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 11:45 AM
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Obama tries to save his failed legacy

How has his legacy failed?

Seems to me the GOP have failed to repair, repeal or replace Obamacare...

Nor have they proposed anything that anyone on either side of the aisle can defend as an improvement?

Pres. Obama has repeatedly said if the GOP can come up with something better he will support it?

As it stands, they can't come up with anything the public or their fellow conservatives support?

Hell the Senate GOP said they were scrapping the entire bill the house theatrically passed and starting over.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I think the single payer systems in other countries have a lot of problems because they go full tilt socialist. I think a combination of the free market and public insurance would yield the best result. Only one way to find out though.


Single payer is just that.

It is not "government run healthcare"..

Right now the Insurance Companies do the book-keeping and charge an insane mark-up for profit to handle the books.

Doctors et al. administer the actual healthcare.

Having government handle the book keeping and paying the bills, negotiating prices...without a profit motive on the backs of the American Public...seems a reasonable solution to reducing costs across the board.

No more $400 dollar Tylenols in the ER, that insurance companies will negotiate to $200 and factor into your monthly premium at $300.

Seriously...One negotiator, one payor, accountable to congress for their efficiency, transparent to public not constantly striving to jack up premiums to show billions in profits.
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posted on May, 9 2017 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I think the single payer systems in other countries have a lot of problems because they go full tilt socialist. I think a combination of the free market and public insurance would yield the best result. Only one way to find out though.


Now I've seen everything....Public insurance and free market used in the same sentence.

www.forbes.com...



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: network dude


Obama tries to save his failed legacy

How has his legacy failed?

Seems to me the GOP have failed to repair, repeal or replace Obamacare...

Nor have they proposed anything that anyone on either side of the aisle can defend as an improvement?

Pres. Obama has repeatedly said if the GOP can come up with something better he will support it?

As it stands, they can't come up with anything the public or their fellow conservatives support?

Hell the Senate GOP said they were scrapping the entire bill the house theatrically passed and starting over.





If left alone, the ACA was failing and destined to implode. I agree that the GOP hasn't done anything good with regards to it. But that by itself has no bearing on the FACT that the ACA is a failure and should have never been implemented. And history will tell how much of a legacy that is to Obama.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I think the single payer systems in other countries have a lot of problems because they go full tilt socialist. I think a combination of the free market and public insurance would yield the best result. Only one way to find out though.


Now I've seen everything....Public insurance and free market used in the same sentence.

www.forbes.com...

Yes. One is insurance, one is health care. They are not the same. The instance used by Forbes would be an emergency situation. They are correct, not everything can be a free market choice. Emergency spending is maybe 5%-10%, most of the rest you can shop around for.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 12:59 PM
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If left alone, the ACA was failing and destined to implode.


Can you please elaborate on why it is/was failing and is destined to implode?



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