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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude
So 50% of the country liking Obamacare now doesn't gel with your "reality"? So you pretend it isn't true? Gotcha.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Or you just have no idea.
That's one way of putting it. The health care industry is complicated and outside my area of expertise. I just know that Obamacare is better than no Obamacare but it still needs to be improved from where it is currently.
I'd like to see a real answer from a conservative to the health care debate outside of "herp derp repeal Obamacare!" like that is going to fix anything. So I wouldn't be so quick to point out my lack of knowledge.
Before this garbage was passed, there were a small percentage of people who had trouble getting coverage. Rather than coming up with a way to help those people, he decided to screw the rest of the population to help that small group.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: network dude
If it was Obama's fault all by his lonely, I'd agree. But there was a whole 'nother part of government sinking their claws into it as well.
The blame for the ACA failure should be shared across political isles.
who else are you going to blame? Obama pushed this. He called all the no votes into his office for a closed door, one on one, and amazingly, they came out "yes" votes. And none of them even read the whole thing.
Or is it Bush's fault?
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: network dude
If it was Obama's fault all by his lonely, I'd agree. But there was a whole 'nother part of government sinking their claws into it as well.
The blame for the ACA failure should be shared across political isles.
who else are you going to blame? Obama pushed this. He called all the no votes into his office for a closed door, one on one, and amazingly, they came out "yes" votes. And none of them even read the whole thing.
Or is it Bush's fault?
Everyone in government that was an obstructionist to making it a working health care plan.
There was a lot of push back, because, well, Obama. And creeping socialism. And my taxes.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude
So 50% of the country liking Obamacare now doesn't gel with your "reality"? So you pretend it isn't true? Gotcha.
50% lol, you probably believe that number too.
You continue to make me smile. (nobody ever asked me, wonder why?)
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: network dude
If it was Obama's fault all by his lonely, I'd agree. But there was a whole 'nother part of government sinking their claws into it as well.
The blame for the ACA failure should be shared across political isles.
who else are you going to blame? Obama pushed this. He called all the no votes into his office for a closed door, one on one, and amazingly, they came out "yes" votes. And none of them even read the whole thing.
Or is it Bush's fault?
Everyone in government that was an obstructionist to making it a working health care plan.
There was a lot of push back, because, well, Obama. And creeping socialism. And my taxes.
I don't understand, it passed when it was presented, or is that not correct?
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: network dude
If it was Obama's fault all by his lonely, I'd agree. But there was a whole 'nother part of government sinking their claws into it as well.
The blame for the ACA failure should be shared across political isles.
who else are you going to blame? Obama pushed this. He called all the no votes into his office for a closed door, one on one, and amazingly, they came out "yes" votes. And none of them even read the whole thing.
Or is it Bush's fault?
Everyone in government that was an obstructionist to making it a working health care plan.
There was a lot of push back, because, well, Obama. And creeping socialism. And my taxes.
I don't understand, it passed when it was presented, or is that not correct?
What passed wasn't the ACA in its original intended form. Which is why it worked the way it did.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Either you are on public assistance and food stamps, or you are paying an awful lot more for insurance than prior to Obamacare. There really ins't any other options. (Oh yea, or you are full of #, that is also an option)
originally posted by: network dude
If you doubt that, list what you paid for insurance in 2005 and your income then, and what you pay now, along with your income now. ( I know you don't want to disclose that, it's cool, do the math by yourself. And if you are honest with at least yourself, you will slap yourself in the face, if not, you will likely post more garbage)
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Either you are on public assistance and food stamps, or you are paying an awful lot more for insurance than prior to Obamacare. There really ins't any other options. (Oh yea, or you are full of #, that is also an option)
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: network dude
If it was Obama's fault all by his lonely, I'd agree. But there was a whole 'nother part of government sinking their claws into it as well.
The blame for the ACA failure should be shared across political isles.
who else are you going to blame? Obama pushed this. He called all the no votes into his office for a closed door, one on one, and amazingly, they came out "yes" votes. And none of them even read the whole thing.
Or is it Bush's fault?
Everyone in government that was an obstructionist to making it a working health care plan.
There was a lot of push back, because, well, Obama. And creeping socialism. And my taxes.
I don't understand, it passed when it was presented, or is that not correct?
What passed wasn't the ACA in its original intended form. Which is why it worked the way it did.
So it's your position that Obama knowingly passed a steaming turd?
Before this garbage was passed, there were a small percentage of people who had trouble getting coverage. Rather than coming up with a way to help those people, he decided to screw the rest of the population to help that small group. And in doing so, he didn't have the vision to see that it won't work. (see Mr. Obama, this is kind of complicated)
So what is your idea to save this failing legislature that is Obamacare, Mr. Obama? You had 8 years to make something great, instead, you made something that was functional, into a time bomb that can't help but explode.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Either you are on public assistance and food stamps, or you are paying an awful lot more for insurance than prior to Obamacare. There really ins't any other options. (Oh yea, or you are full of #, that is also an option)
I make $51,000 a year and have employer paid insurance. My insurance barely changed in price for Obamacare too. It went up maybe $10 a month.
It's interesting how you think you know so much about me based on your biases about Obamacare. Then it makes it hilarious that you are so wrong about me.