Obama tries to save his failed legacy

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude

So 50% of the country liking Obamacare now doesn't gel with your "reality"? So you pretend it isn't true? Gotcha.

50% lol, you probably believe that number too.

You continue to make me smile. (nobody ever asked me, wonder why?)

a reply to: network dude

your answer wouldn't push their agenda

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Or you just have no idea.

That's one way of putting it. The health care industry is complicated and outside my area of expertise. I just know that Obamacare is better than no Obamacare but it still needs to be improved from where it is currently.

I'd like to see a real answer from a conservative to the health care debate outside of "herp derp repeal Obamacare!" like that is going to fix anything. So I wouldn't be so quick to point out my lack of knowledge.

herp, derp, you aren't smart enough to listen, or read apparently.

From the OP:

Before this garbage was passed, there were a small percentage of people who had trouble getting coverage. Rather than coming up with a way to help those people, he decided to screw the rest of the population to help that small group.

Before Obama screwed us, we had good Healthcare at affordable pricing. Pre-existing conditions were the problem.

If you doubt that, list what you paid for insurance in 2005 and your income then, and what you pay now, along with your income now. ( I know you don't want to disclose that, it's cool, do the math by yourself. And if you are honest with at least yourself, you will slap yourself in the face, if not, you will likely post more garbage)

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: network dude

If it was Obama's fault all by his lonely, I'd agree. But there was a whole 'nother part of government sinking their claws into it as well.

The blame for the ACA failure should be shared across political isles.

who else are you going to blame? Obama pushed this. He called all the no votes into his office for a closed door, one on one, and amazingly, they came out "yes" votes. And none of them even read the whole thing.

Or is it Bush's fault?

Everyone in government that was an obstructionist to making it a working health care plan.

There was a lot of push back, because, well, Obama. And creeping socialism. And my taxes.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: network dude

If it was Obama's fault all by his lonely, I'd agree. But there was a whole 'nother part of government sinking their claws into it as well.

The blame for the ACA failure should be shared across political isles.

who else are you going to blame? Obama pushed this. He called all the no votes into his office for a closed door, one on one, and amazingly, they came out "yes" votes. And none of them even read the whole thing.

Or is it Bush's fault?

Everyone in government that was an obstructionist to making it a working health care plan.

There was a lot of push back, because, well, Obama. And creeping socialism. And my taxes.

I don't understand, it passed when it was presented, or is that not correct?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude

So 50% of the country liking Obamacare now doesn't gel with your "reality"? So you pretend it isn't true? Gotcha.

50% lol, you probably believe that number too.

Statistics is a study of mathematics that predates you. Math is far more reliable than you are, so I think I'll trust that over whatever you say is true. Statistics may not be as reliable as algebra, but to discount it just because its findings don't align with your opinions is the height of arrogance and intellectual dishonesty.

You continue to make me smile. (nobody ever asked me, wonder why?)

Go study statistical sampling methods and you'll find out that samplers don't have to physically talk to you to account for your opinion.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: network dude

If it was Obama's fault all by his lonely, I'd agree. But there was a whole 'nother part of government sinking their claws into it as well.

The blame for the ACA failure should be shared across political isles.

who else are you going to blame? Obama pushed this. He called all the no votes into his office for a closed door, one on one, and amazingly, they came out "yes" votes. And none of them even read the whole thing.

Or is it Bush's fault?

Everyone in government that was an obstructionist to making it a working health care plan.

There was a lot of push back, because, well, Obama. And creeping socialism. And my taxes.

I don't understand, it passed when it was presented, or is that not correct?

What passed wasn't the ACA in its original intended form. Which is why it worked the way it did.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Either you are on public assistance and food stamps, or you are paying an awful lot more for insurance than prior to Obamacare. There really ins't any other options. (Oh yea, or you are full of #, that is also an option)

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: network dude

If it was Obama's fault all by his lonely, I'd agree. But there was a whole 'nother part of government sinking their claws into it as well.

The blame for the ACA failure should be shared across political isles.

who else are you going to blame? Obama pushed this. He called all the no votes into his office for a closed door, one on one, and amazingly, they came out "yes" votes. And none of them even read the whole thing.

Or is it Bush's fault?

Everyone in government that was an obstructionist to making it a working health care plan.

There was a lot of push back, because, well, Obama. And creeping socialism. And my taxes.

I don't understand, it passed when it was presented, or is that not correct?

What passed wasn't the ACA in its original intended form. Which is why it worked the way it did.

So it's your position that Obama knowingly passed a steaming turd?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Either you are on public assistance and food stamps, or you are paying an awful lot more for insurance than prior to Obamacare. There really ins't any other options. (Oh yea, or you are full of #, that is also an option)

Or he's a career college student who's still on daddy's plan?

originally posted by: network dude
If you doubt that, list what you paid for insurance in 2005 and your income then, and what you pay now, along with your income now. ( I know you don't want to disclose that, it's cool, do the math by yourself. And if you are honest with at least yourself, you will slap yourself in the face, if not, you will likely post more garbage)

In 2005 I was covered under Tri-Care thanks to being in the military.

He should have taken a tip from Bush Jr and faded into the background... but his ego cant take it.

ACA... a perfect example of everything wrong with the Democrats... compromise when they dont need to (so they can blame someone) take a stand on things the people either are against or do not care about it... hence them almost being relegated to regional party.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Either you are on public assistance and food stamps, or you are paying an awful lot more for insurance than prior to Obamacare. There really ins't any other options. (Oh yea, or you are full of #, that is also an option)

I make $51,000 a year and have employer paid insurance. My insurance barely changed in price for Obamacare too. It went up maybe $10 a month.

It's interesting how you think you know so much about me based on your biases about Obamacare. Then it makes it hilarious that you are so wrong about me.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: network dude

If it was Obama's fault all by his lonely, I'd agree. But there was a whole 'nother part of government sinking their claws into it as well.

The blame for the ACA failure should be shared across political isles.

who else are you going to blame? Obama pushed this. He called all the no votes into his office for a closed door, one on one, and amazingly, they came out "yes" votes. And none of them even read the whole thing.

Or is it Bush's fault?

Everyone in government that was an obstructionist to making it a working health care plan.

There was a lot of push back, because, well, Obama. And creeping socialism. And my taxes.

I don't understand, it passed when it was presented, or is that not correct?

What passed wasn't the ACA in its original intended form. Which is why it worked the way it did.

So it's your position that Obama knowingly passed a steaming turd?

Yep. The same as the Republicans right now.

Only difference is, this time the Republicans own it. The failure of this new healthcare system can't be put on anyone else.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Here, try this.

money.cnn.com...

If you can't grasp that, I sure as hell can't help you.

Oh, and since you are all about numbers, what percentage of Americans fit into the "middle class"?

Yea, all of them are the ones getting screwed, and your bull# polls didn't ask any of them what they thought.
lie all you want, those who are middle class know how wrong you really are.

a reply to: network dude

Before this garbage was passed, there were a small percentage of people who had trouble getting coverage. Rather than coming up with a way to help those people, he decided to screw the rest of the population to help that small group. And in doing so, he didn't have the vision to see that it won't work. (see Mr. Obama, this is kind of complicated)

Healthcare is difficult. Unlike Presi-dunce Vladimir Putin's C-holster, I don't remember Obama ever implying otherwise? What you seem to be forgetting is that health insurance premiums have been steadily and dramatically rising for quite some time, far outpacing the increases in compensation (and the CPI):



Obamacare wasn't a solution in search of a problem. The status quo pre-ACA was a failing healthcare system.

So what is your idea to save this failing legislature that is Obamacare, Mr. Obama? You had 8 years to make something great, instead, you made something that was functional, into a time bomb that can't help but explode.

Congress had 7 years to fix it. Instead of working toward that goal for the good of Americans, the GOP used Obamacare as a talking point to gin up the base, ignoring the good aspects for years and incessantly focusing on the problems and promising to "repeal and replace." In all that time, they not only neglected to fix the shortcomings of the ACA, they didn't even come up with a replacement plan. They just kept trying to repeal it. Why? Because as long as the Dems were on the hook for it, they gauged it to be in their political best interest to let it fail rather than fix it — a sentiment clearly echoed by President Trumpster Fire.

a reply to: network dude

So you post me a source from CNN telling me that Obamacare isn't affordable to what? Prove to me that I really can't afford to pay my monthly insurance which I've been doing just fine for the last few years?

PS: All you've done by trying to ignore the fact that Obamacare is popular now while showing me its flaws is keep proving to me that the best political decision going forward is to fix Obamacare. Not repeal it (which would make things MUCH worse than they are today for many many people).

a reply to: network dude


ObamaCare is unsustainable, unless another Trillion plus Dollars is funneled into it annually, to give everyone up to 500% of Federal Poverty Level the same benefits that people under 250% of FPL now receive. That is, hefty government assistance in paying premiums...and paying the health insurance companies to keep Deductibles under $1500 for insureds.

100% of FPL for 2017 is = $12,000 a year income for single people. $24,600 for a family of four.

If Obama wants to maintain his "signature legacy achievement", he and the Democrats need to push for more money and the above expansion. Only extreme conservatives would balk.

After the above blows up in less than 10 years, it's Universal HealthCare, like Canada and Australia.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Either you are on public assistance and food stamps, or you are paying an awful lot more for insurance than prior to Obamacare. There really ins't any other options. (Oh yea, or you are full of #, that is also an option)

I make $51,000 a year and have employer paid insurance. My insurance barely changed in price for Obamacare too. It went up maybe $10 a month.

It's interesting how you think you know so much about me based on your biases about Obamacare. Then it makes it hilarious that you are so wrong about me.

Go to the exchange and price your plan. I don't have an employer to pay my way, I am self employed. Jesus, you are so damn thick, you won't even try to realize what's going on around you.

Here, get a quote for yorself and see what you would pay.

a reply to: underwerks
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Do either of you use Obama care personally?
The way you both talk I kinda doubt it. It's an absolute disaster! The insurance I had before Obama took office ensured me I could see an actual doctor who actually cared about my well-being. Now were all just a damn number fed through a broken system. Just try and get an appointment for a specialist. Socializing healthcare in a nation where the average person is considered unhealthy by global standards was destined to fail. Fixing our toxic unhealthy foodstuffs and eating habits should have been first on the agenda. But then of course if we all knew how to stay healthy we wouldn't be as dependent on these entities that keep us healthy.

Like usual liberals fail to see the greater good in a vain attempt to virtue signal for a small minority of people. A group of people who for all intents and purposes probably shouldn't even be here in the first place.