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Messianic St. Mary Magdalene a Major Gnostic Heresy revived by Simcha Jacovici

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posted on May, 8 2017 @ 10:18 AM
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The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

As the Holy scriptures clearly state Jesus Christ is the Angular stope over which it is founded the salvation plan of God offered to Humanity.

This is very open and straightforward declaration that does not give space to second messianic figures of any kind. Christ can not be seen as another prophet of God of the long Historic chain that can be traced back to Elijah, isaiah, David, Moses, until Abraham.

None prophecies about the arrival of the Messiah ever have said that there were going to be two Messiahs coming at the time, or that has said ever that there will be another major figure coming after the Messiah to complete his mission.


Acts 4: 11He is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ 12Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”


There is no way to conciliate two things that are mutually contradictory, One can't accept Jesus as the Son of God and at the same time claim that St. Mary Magdalene was a feminine version of the Messiah or as in some extremely irresponsible way the self proclaimed authority in biblical archaeology Simcha Jacovici affirms she was a co-Messiah, who happened to be the wife of Jesus.

This is no less grave than to support the idea that Mohamed was a prophet sent to the earth to give fulfillment to the mission that supposedly Jesus was unable to finish, in clear defiance of all what it was said in all the Christian writings by the Apostles and disciples of Christ.

The New Testament of Jesus is eternal , complete and does not open possibilities to coops of any kind, in the same way that it does not open the door for third parts. Whoever claims that Jesus was just another prophetic figure, of mere human nature, is falling in Heresy and it is the same if this is said by Jacovici in his best seller books or by Daniel Brown, in the same way that centuries ago was by Arrius, Origin, Mani, Nestorius, Temistius, Teodotius o any other supposedly enlightened "scholar" that comes to say it.


Isaiah 28:16
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, A costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed.


It is a major Heresy to say that Jesus didn't die in the Cross, or that it was just a kind of divinity that was not human at all, and so unable to feel human suffering, or a man that had no divine nature as well, as it was in the past sustained by Apolinar, Basilides or even Mohamed.

The only figure that is the Lamb of God, the only one that became the perfect sacrifice offered by and to God to clean the sins of the world is Jesus, and none of his Apostles or disciples had, with all respect, either if they were female or males the necessary dignity to equate that condition.


Matthew 21:42
Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: 'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. This is from the Lord, and it is marvelous in our eyes' ?


Jesus was conceived without original sin, and only his mother St Mary shares the same condition, nevertheless, she never has claimed to be co-messiah of Humanity, to the contrary, in all the texts were read in the scriptures, as well as, in the modern Marian apparitions, like the one of Fatima we are celebrating a centenary precisely this week, she always define herself as the servant of God, as she says in the Magnficat she even use in the annunciation the title slave of the Lord to define herself.


St.Luke 1:38

38 “I am the Lord’s slave,”[a] said Mary. “May it be done to me according to your word.” Then the angel left her.


What Jacovici is doing is confusing a lot of people with a Gnostic version of the life of Christ, one that was rejected many centuries ago in the councils of Christendom as Heretic.

This man is not even Christian, he is a Jew that don't care about to damage or even try to destroy the Messianic role of Jesus and so sow doubts about his divine nature with all his no sense Gnostic philosophy that says that Jesus needed to experience sexual arousal to be truly a Messiah, that is blasphemy and absolute false.

Mary Magdalene is reduced to the rol of lover of Jesus, since there is no evidence what so ever of any marriage with Jesus, in the same way that all the archeologists that have been tried to validate the supposed Davidic linage through Jesus of the Merovingian Kings of France have failed to find any evidence of such claims, even DNA tests have been carried out over remains of that Royal family in Paris, France showing that they were completely European French people.

Please check:
Investigating and refuting sensationalist Davinci Code claims about Jesus claimed desdendence

Jesus as true God is not limited to the Human condition to share or receive Love in its most pure essence, why then he might need to encase himself on what it is possibly the most selfish kind of love that people can experience? the only one that is able to generate jealousy or feelings of ownership between Human beings?

The only wife of Jesus is the entire Church, that is the kind of divinized love that he is the only one able to offer to Humanity, because it transcends egotism, it transcends also individualism or materialism.


It is the Materialism as a moral illness what is behind the work of Jacovici that is also claiming openly that the tomb of Jesus with his body inside was already found, something that is absolutely false and a clear red flag of his Heretic goals.


St Mark 13: The Abomination of Desolation
…21At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it. 22For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible. 23So be on your guard; I have told you everything in advance.…


The thread is open to discuss this new wave of Heretic way of thinking that has found a path through popular literature in America to corrupt the collective mentality, with sensationalist fictions like the Davinci Code of Dan Brown, or archaeological 'findings' of well known old heretic apocrypha, that are inviting millions to fall in terrible capital sin.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

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posted on May, 8 2017 @ 10:25 AM
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No offense meant toward you beliefs, but...

If you were trying to convert pagans to this new religion, seems to me you would have both a male and female, as they worship the duality, and equality of both.

Just a thought.



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: chiefsmom

The feminine figure that was created by God in a unique and special way through an immaculate conception is the Holy Virgin St Mary, whose principal virtue is precisely her virginity, that she preserved before and after she conceived in her womb the fruit of the Holy Ghost that is Jesus Christ.

Only the womb of St Mary , mother of Jesus, may have been considered as a kind of Holy Grial, and since she is already departed of this world, in body and soul, through the mystery of the ascension, there is no thing that can be claimed is buried somewhere that performs like that.

who ever that is really serious archeologist that wants to study a kind of Holy Grial must focus in the Holy sudarium of Oviedo or the Holy Shroud of Turin, The Veronica Veil of St Peters Cathedral or the Holy blood relic that is in Belgium. Now if somebody has interest in the actual cup of the last supper, it is in the Cathedral of Valencia, Spain.

Everything else is a sensationalist heretic fabrication coming not from serious sources but from the pen of Dan Brown or the old Gnostic manuscript quoted by Jacovici.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 11:04 AM
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It's funny how every religion thinks their religion is the only one true way to getting God's salvation.

I think people who have the weakest faith in God feel compelled to convince others. It's as if only when other people convert they feel somehow their own faith is justified.

I think you are saved when you have faith in the people around you allowing God to work his miracles through the people you have faith in. For me personally, my faith in God doesn't come from what other people believe.


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posted on May, 8 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: The angel of light

What about the fact that Jesus wasn't AT ALL the only messiah?!?!

Lol..

Cyrus the great for one, was another messiah for the Jewish people...

In Judaism messiah doesn't mean son of God...

Messiah means "delivered the Hebrew people from captivity" which Cyrus the Great did in Babylon.. And Jesus did.. Never?!?!


This is a common misconception amongst Christians...

The "messiah phrophecy" to the ancient and modern Jews, was not even remotely central to their religion.

It is a title awarded to multiple figures over the Millinia, and was never considered to be referring to the sone of God...

That was added after the first century, which is why it was so hotly debated at the council of Nicea and why the Jews never bought Jesus's story in the first place...

They were not awaiting "the son of God" and Jesus didn't free them from the yoke of Rome, so he wasn't a messiah.



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: The angel of light

A) Dan brown didn't remove the crucifixion, if I'm right his story claimed that after resurrection Mary took Jesus's son to Europe.

B) you don't seem to understand the definition of messiah...

C) divinci code is a fiction...

D) the bible has been edited and rewritten a dozen times, so your commit about it "being complete" is hilarious, since it started off as 250+ individual books all circulating independently and was "edited " by the Romans into a much smaller version 400 years later..



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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posted on May, 8 2017 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Well, if you try to question the Messianic role of Jesus or compare him with Zelot bandits that says a lot about what kind of position you are coming here to defend and how reliable is your criticism.

Isaiah scroll found in Qumran, the eldest one of that Essenes collection clearly has references written by the prophet six centuries before that only match with the death of Christ, none false messiahs, like the ones were supported by the Jewish elites in the years 67 to 71 A.D. have such very special characteristics.


Isaiah 52,

The Suffering and Glory of the Servant
13 See, my servant will act wisely;
he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.
14 Just as there were many who were appalled at him—
his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being
and his form marred beyond human likeness—
15 so he will sprinkle many nations,
and kings will shut their mouths because of him.
For what they were not told, they will see,
and what they have not heard, they will understand.

53:

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied;
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.


Excuse me, but it is pretty clear that what Jacobovici is doing is precisely moving from the Novel of Dan Brown to the actual heretic sources that inspired it, pretending to have found a Lost gospel that is not really that, so i am more aware of the origin of the line of thinking that is in behind this Heresy than what you are able to recognize.

The Gnostic Manuscript that Jacobovici has tried to revive was actually never lost, it was not found recently in any archaeological excavation, it has been stored for many decades, perhaps more than a century in the public library where he found it.


The New Testament books in its current form are not only already existing since the second half of the first century.

Please check:
www.livescience.com...

Also the dead sea scrolls that are dated in between the first and third century before Jesus gives us the confidence that there have been not rewriting of the bible old testament books as you happily have come here to claim.

Please read:
Isaiah scroll found seventy years ago in Qumran prophecies about Christ

I think you need to provide here more solid evidence to enter in such arrogant way in this discussion, where are your sources? Come on, you can't expect we are going to take you seriously without even references.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

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posted on May, 8 2017 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: chiefsmom
No offense meant toward you beliefs, but...

If you were trying to convert pagans to this new religion, seems to me you would have both a male and female, as they worship the duality, and equality of both.

Just a thought.



"They" (TheQuorum) wrote out Adam's first wife, because She was indeed "Equal" and these guys couldn't handle the Female (Yin) being equal. In TheTorah™ You can find "Lilith" Adamu's first wife To wit: " In the beginning was Adamu and Lilith, created from the same dirt..." (read: EQUAL) So TheQuorum writes in "Eve" and to make sure She is subservient, She is created only after Adam becomes the World's first organ donor and gives up some off His rib.

Not only do these turds NOT follow their own "Rule Book" but the Zionist™ now occupying the land named "Is- Ra- El?" is going against their 'rule book' It was TheCreator who took away their 'homeland' and ONLY The Creator who can restore it and NOT a bunch of Zionist™ on the lam from their crimes against humanity in World War II, NuttinbutaYahoo's forefathers ..

Have You perused "The Gospel Per Mary"? "The Gospel Per Judas"? Adam was the World's first organ donor and Judas was the World's first "Fall Guy" aka 'Lee Harvey'...

Jesus The Christ; Lao Tzu; Muhammed; et al. were doing their own thing and it wasn't until they were 'gone' that someone figured out a way to monetize "Faith™" what a CROCK!!! God is FREE! But the same ones who want to $ell You God, also poison Your food and make You sick and distracted to the point where any searches are massaged and kneaded to fit one of THEIR agendas...



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: JimNasium

Well, with all the respect that your opinions deserve here we must distinguish in between great Philosophical and mystical minds of History and one in particular that reached levels of spiritual power never seen before or after him.

There are no records what so ever of miracles performed by Lao Tse, Kong fu Tse , Sidharta Gautama or Mohamed that may put them in a closely positioned condition to the one attributed by many sources to Christ.

We are not going to deny that those Enlightened Intelligences were searching for God, and also were able to grasp great truths about his existence, but they represent in the best of the cases a great human effort to know God, they hardly can be associated at the same level reached by Jesus w.r.t the divinity.

In the case of Jesus, even secular sources recognized that he had extremely rare gifts as well as strange natural events coincided with his death, it is not always accepted that they came from God, but they are referred even among his contradictors.


Julius wrote: Tallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away this darkness as an eclipse of the sun unreasonably, as it seems to me (unreasonably of course, because a solar eclipse could not take place at the time of the full moon, and it was at the season of the Paschal full moon that Christ died." Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18.1



"Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day." Antiquities, XVIII, 33, Josephus ben Mathathias


Please check:
www.agapebiblestudy.com...

Now, returning to the main discussion here, it is important to underline that Simsha Jacobovici is not really a serious scholar in Bible, neither a Theologist in any religion, nor a Historian, nor a professional archaeologist, he is instead a film producer and director that came to scene with sensationalist documentaries on topics he very well know can become best sellers not due its serious academic content but their extremely scandalous and controversial claims.

He is infamously world recognized for his supposed finding of a family cemetery of Jewish people of The first century that he has been claiming is the one of Jesus Christ, his mother Mary , his brothers and also his supposed sons. He is considered in serious academic circles as manufacturer of archaeology frauds and trying to scam with them through cheap literature.


Simcha Jacobovici who is Rumanian born, earned a B.A. in Philosophy and Political Science from McGill University and an M.A. in International Relations from the University of Toronto. Now, with not really appropriate credentials for the job he has found the way to become Adjunct Professor of Religious Studies at Huntington University, an affiliate of Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario.

His lack of specialized dossier in the subjects he pretend to be an authority recalls us more or less similar background of Dan Brown, the professional song writer, when he dared to publish his so controversial Novel Davinci code.

Please read:
Academic profile of Simcha Jacobovici

Now, concerning his sensationalist claims to have found a "lost" gospel, this is the truth:


Written on vellum — treated animal skin — it had been in the archives of the British Library for about 20 years, where it was put after the British Museum had originally bought it in 1847 from a dealer who said he had obtained it from the ancient St Macarius Monastery in Egypt.
For the past 160 years, the document has been studied by a few scholars but has been considered pretty unremarkable.


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...


Notice that into classify the social status and moral condition of Mary Magdalene it does not look that Jacobovici has done any work to show that actually She was never a prostitute, something that is very well accepted by the consensus of Biblical scholars that have studied her. St Mary Magdalene was the sister of Lazarus, the man that Jesus resurrected in his tomb, she belonged to a respectable family of the village of Magdala. Beyond that point All what it is said of her is part of Dark legend created to discredit even Jesus ministry.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on May, 8 2017 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: The angel of light


What I'm saying is that the messiah prophecy was never central to Judaism... It was a side prophecy, not the prophecy their entire religion was based around...

It was not the most significant prophecy , nor did it have anything to do with "the son of God"...

It was a title bestowed upon those who freed the Hebrews from bondage, from which Cyrus the great was the first to receive... Like 1000+ years before Jesus...


Christianity has taken that phrophecy and bastardized it pretending it was always central and the most important part of Judaism, when really it was a side note.



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Really?

So what is this about? have you ever read this psalm?


Psalm 82:

God Presides in the Great Assembly
…5They do not know nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High. 7"Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes."…

New American Standard Bible
Cross References

Zechariah 12:8
"In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them.

John 10:34
Jesus replied, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I have said you are gods' ?


The Angel of Lightness
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posted on May, 8 2017 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: The angel of light


What are you talking about... There are nothing but stories of mysticism in antiquity.. The Greeks all believed Hercules was real . The Egyptians the same..


Even after the first century there have been tales of the supernatural. In Jesus's own time faith healers were a dime a dozen..

What made Jesus unique wasn't that he preformed miracles.. People heard stories of miracles two towns over constantly..

What made Jesus unique was that he faith healed for free... While every one else went to the merchant class and aristocracy, he would faith heal the poor and penny less.

Which is a perfect explation for the blow back he got..

They were charging and here comes along some yahoo giving it away for free.



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Really?

So what is this about? have you ever read this psalm?


Psalm 82:

God Presides in the Great Assembly
…5They do not know nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High. 7"Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes."…

New American Standard Bible
Cross References

Zechariah 12:8
"In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them.

John 10:34
Jesus replied, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I have said you are gods' ?


The Angel of Lightness


Psalms... Not the Torah..


Your assuming Christianity pre dates Christ.

We are talking about what ancient Jews, and even modern day Jews believe..

Christianity created the narrative where the Jews were awaiting the son of God, the messiah.. But they never were.. Messiah was just a title bestowed upon multiple figures..



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: The angel of light

You know how you go off about how this Jewish fella and him deifying Mary Magdelene and how wrong and poisonous to the church it is
Well many if not all Protestants think you have got your Mary the mother of God thing wrong as well, we think she was a sinner and your church is lying and acting like this Jewish guy

We also think saying that this pope guy represents the christian church to God and God to the church is a bit on the nose as well



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Oh poor Johny Cox
A little knowledge is not a good thing

Jesus was a spiritual Messiah, you have taken the simplistic yet wrong direction the Jews did a couple of thousand years ago. That and completely ignored Jewish prophecy on the matter



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox


This is a common misconception amongst Christians... The "messiah phrophecy" to the ancient and modern Jews, was not even remotely central to their religion. It is a title awarded to multiple figures over the Millinia, and was never considered to be referring to the sone of God... That was added after the first century, which is why it was so hotly debated at the council of Nicea and why the Jews never bought Jesus's story in the first place... They were not awaiting "the son of God" and Jesus didn't free them from the yoke of Rome, so he wasn't a messiah.

I don't think that is correct at all.
The Hebrew and Jewish messiah prophecy is the very central theme of their religion then and now. The messiah of both the prophets and of the temples eras, even today, is that a special endowed human descendant of the seed of David will once again take the scepter of world power and become king and ruler of this world. He will be the messiah or deliverer of both Jew and Gentile. He will live and die as a man and his offspring will be the inheritors of his throne.

That has nothing to do with the Begotten Son Of God or sons of gods. James The Just, brother of Jesus, taught that his brother, Jesus, was indeed conceived by the Holy Spirit (God) and is the begotten Son Of God. James taught this over three decades before he was murdered by the Jews. It was well over 250 years later that the Catholic council of Nicea determined that what James taught was absolutely true. So in all fairness it was not a Roman belief by any stretch of the imagination. The many congregations of church bishops were so divided in their beliefs that the matter had to be unified among the Roman Catholic congregations. Actually even this did not unify the congregations till some years later.

Jesus did not come as the end time idea of a Jewish Messiah, but came as the Messiah (deliverer) who delivered those righteous spirits, who were imprisoned in Sheol, to become the first to inherit the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of heaven is detailed in the latter chapters of Revelation and is described as the celestial realm of New Jerusalem along with the new heaven and earth. The incarnation of Jesus is actually very misunderstood by most Christians who use His advent as a crutch for forgiveness of sin. While that is somewhat true it is not the primary purpose.

You are correct in that the Jews were looking for their idea of a messiah and because Jesus did not fit their requirements of a Dividic king, they rejected Him. That and the misunderstanding they have that The Most High El has no son and cannot be divided as in a trinity. The Muslims reject Jesus in like manner.



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: The angel of light

Your main clue is the systematic removal of the female greats from our history books.. except for those sacrificed for dogma.

A woman wearing a dress now is seen as regressive yet a boy or man expressing his femininity is seen as progressive.

Does a Messiah need to have a penis? Sorry but what about women makes it so inconceivable that they cannot be spiritual leaders? Her story was burned and erased.. so if you're expecting someone to be honest about prophecy you'd have to ask the pope. Who is kind of busy with other priorities right now like making sure things are guided in Their desired ending. The soul merchants are a literal dis-grace.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: riley

Look Dear Riley,

Jesus had strong reasons to elect just men from his disciples to be acting as Apostles. He was well aware of the danger of such role, he also knew that they most likely were going to be prosecuted, imprisoned, tortured and brutally executed in a similar way he was, so he decision was not motivated to endorse the theory of the masculine superiority, it was just a gesture of consideration and respect to the femininity.

Feminists want to see on this a kind of male chauvinism discrimination against the followers of Jesus that were women but it is not really that, it is more the attitude of preserve them for taking care of their elders, youngsters and more over children that were going to represent the only possibility of future that a church under prosecution was going to have along the first three centuries under Rome.

Please check:
www.religionfacts.com...

With higher positions always come higher responsibilities, and to be in leadership of a community that was under harassment, being under siege of the Roman authorities from one side and the Jewish ones from the other was an extremely risky situation. We must analyze Jesus decisions in the light of trying to build a new chosen people, a community of faith.

Please check:
www.revolvy.com...

During three centuries after Christ execution the persecutions the early church suffered produced an amount of martyrs that must be counted in the scale of not thousands but almost surely millions of human lives.

This represents one of the worst genocides ever in History, one that for the extent that it had, along all the nations that were under Rome, and the so long duration might make appear the Jewish Holocaust of WWII, with all respect, probably as a joke.

Please read:
Persecutions of Christians by the Pagan Rome and Jewish Sanhedrin

Now, Mary Magdalene as any respectful woman might have married at some point of her life, but to say that it was with Jesus is another very different thing, it is very against to recognize his martyrdom and divine nature.

Why Jesus was going to risk the lives of a woman and children if he knew in advance his life was going to end in a so much violent way?

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on May, 9 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: JoshuaCox


This is a common misconception amongst Christians... The "messiah phrophecy" to the ancient and modern Jews, was not even remotely central to their religion. It is a title awarded to multiple figures over the Millinia, and was never considered to be referring to the sone of God... That was added after the first century, which is why it was so hotly debated at the council of Nicea and why the Jews never bought Jesus's story in the first place... They were not awaiting "the son of God" and Jesus didn't free them from the yoke of Rome, so he wasn't a messiah.

I don't think that is correct at all.
The Hebrew and Jewish messiah prophecy is the very central theme of their religion then and now. The messiah of both the prophets and of the temples eras, even today, is that a special endowed human descendant of the seed of David will once again take the scepter of world power and become king and ruler of this world. He will be the messiah or deliverer of both Jew and Gentile. He will live and die as a man and his offspring will be the inheritors of his throne.

That has nothing to do with the Begotten Son Of God or sons of gods. James The Just, brother of Jesus, taught that his brother, Jesus, was indeed conceived by the Holy Spirit (God) and is the begotten Son Of God. James taught this over three decades before he was murdered by the Jews. It was well over 250 years later that the Catholic council of Nicea determined that what James taught was absolutely true. So in all fairness it was not a Roman belief by any stretch of the imagination. The many congregations of church bishops were so divided in their beliefs that the matter had to be unified among the Roman Catholic congregations. Actually even this did not unify the congregations till some years later.

Jesus did not come as the end time idea of a Jewish Messiah, but came as the Messiah (deliverer) who delivered those righteous spirits, who were imprisoned in Sheol, to become the first to inherit the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of heaven is detailed in the latter chapters of Revelation and is described as the celestial realm of New Jerusalem along with the new heaven and earth. The incarnation of Jesus is actually very misunderstood by most Christians who use His advent as a crutch for forgiveness of sin. While that is somewhat true it is not the primary purpose.

You are correct in that the Jews were looking for their idea of a messiah and because Jesus did not fit their requirements of a Dividic king, they rejected Him. That and the misunderstanding they have that The Most High El has no son and cannot be divided as in a trinity. The Muslims reject Jesus in like manner.



Ask any Jew...

I know in Sunday school they sell it like that is the case, but it is not..

Now that doesn't invalidate the Jesus story at all..because his whole point in coming was to install a new set of laws...

Basically he came and said..

" your doing it wrong.. and here is how God wants us to do it now.."

So there is no reason that "him being the son of God and him being a central point of Judaism " could not have been a piece of what he came to fix..

It just sounds better from the Christian pov to sell it as if Jesus perfectly fit this phrophecy that who's coming was the most important part of Christianity..


More than one Christian preacher (Green Bay packer Reggie white for one) has learned Hebrew and read the Torah , expecting it to be the same as christianities version and it is not ...



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