Senior Citizen,B2,Raptor and WEAV

You know a very wise member here has brought it to my attention that i may have mispoken in my above post.

Triangles are not just man made and conceived. Very bright and talented women such as ning li (wherever she ran off to) have also contributed greatly to the development of the technology behind triangles. Its a human thing. Nothing to do with aliens.

a reply to: Blackfinger
Senior Citizen was some sort of transport aircraft. It showed up in USAF RDT&E R-1 budget documents with the PE line 0401316F. 04 is Mobility Forces, not General Purpose / Tactical / Strategic / Recon or anything. So no Black Triangle, Auroa or whatever.
Senior Citizen (and the PE Code) disappeared after FY1993 - the program was either cancelled, classification level got increased or it went operational under a different name. The later is unlikely though, in the 04 Future Years Defense Program Structure its listed as a historical non active SAP.

The Black Triangles exist IMO, they probably are some kind of loitering ISR LO Blimps. No way their project name show up in unclassified budget documents.
Try Ascender 175 for whiteworld application.

a reply to: Bhadhidar

So, you hint of something you know but can't tell us right? We are to guess if it was some exotic technology like the UFO/triangles, or something merely advanced with electric engines, big wings etc.?

Many people so schooled in the conventional, status quo, and consensus reality realm that they cannot/won't look beyond what they think or told that they know. If it is in an aerospace publication then it is OK to discuss it. If it isn't than that project doesn't exist. And then there is those that know things but have their reasons to not fan the flames around the triangles.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
You know a very wise member here has brought it to my attention that i may have mispoken in my above post.

Triangles are not just man made and conceived. Very bright and talented women such as ning li (wherever she ran off to) have also contributed greatly to the development of the technology behind triangles. Its a human thing. Nothing to do with aliens.

Then we have two situations, the original UFOs with the ETI and the abductions and, as you say, secret craft that we have developed outside of that situation but perform about the same but with different shapes.

Let me give you a clue to uniting the two to simplify the situation. Consider that the triangles are a basic continuation of the universal method of aircraft control which is the old three-axis system. As we developed the UFO power systems, we were inclined, if not driven by simply human experience, to incorporate that manner of control into what was probably a vastly more complex system in genuine UFOs. That combination gave us triangle-shaped craft rather than the usual saucer, round or tubular UFO. I doubt not that we have overcome that limitation in our control issues as computers are far more engaged in craft control parameters than ever before...even on the streets.

a reply to: mightmight

Ive seen them do much more than just loiter. Some triangles are indeed lta vehicles. There are many though that can do some mind bending tricks with the way they can manuever.

a reply to: Aliensun

Whats a triangle got to do with the three axis (x,y,z)

Pretty sure spheres and rocks n all sorts of shaped things manuever along 3 axis too.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I think he means they can traverse on every axis without hinder.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Sorry, I tried to put it into simple English.
I evidently failed with you.

Let me try with this: Triangles are frequently noticed to have a bright light near each point. It is reasonable to assume each light is part of the lifting and propulsion system and with a typical joy stick the proper amount of control "juice" can be sent to any/all points to cause the vehicle to move as desired.

Ah... BT rutting season returns....



"Football pitch sized mothership" disguises itself as lenticular cloud.
Taken by a guy having a fag.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Looks more like a giant F-23. Not sure where the hell they'd land that thing though.

a reply to: Zaphod58

No thats the redesigned xb70. They made it bigger and more streamlined

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Reminds me of the Aurora..

Its a process of connecting the dots,an evolution table of the timeline of the triangles what is needed...

CREDIBLE SPORT program, Lockheeds YMC-130H prototype in the early 80s for short take off rescue and troop insertion/exsursion using JATO etc.

Rutans Scaled composites 131 flew December 29, 1987 for contract to DARPA for SMUT (Special-Mission Utility Transport)


SENIOR CITIZEN DARPA and the USAF represented a radical departure from such designs, and was to incorporate a sytem of airflow vectoring previously developed by DARPA. Northrop is said to have received a joint order from DARPA and the USAF as early as 1983 (Boeing was the other competitor and may have been awarded a parallel DARPA ACTD contract)This uses Coanda effect tech.

The ASALT uses the so-called « improved Coanda effect » which enables it to take off and land over extremely short distances. The upper surface is typical of Northrop's other jetwing designs. Speed is still unknown to this day; however the ASALT is said to be able to fly at relatively low speeds. Dr. Henri Coanda, born in Romania, discovered the « Coanda effect » in 1910 and devoted 20 years of research to it. The basic principle enables every plane to fly thanks to the curved shape of its airfoil. The « improved Coanda effect » is about pneumo-dynamics, in other words the control of airflow. SENIOR CITIZEN's wing is said to contain pipes which allow air to run through the leading edge all the way to the trailing edge. Apparently, compressors blow air through tiny holes positioned all along the wing. The B-2A bomber and YF-23A fighter are said to feature the selfsame device, which photographers has never been allowed to take pictures of, but the ASALT takes the concept further, as the top surface of the aircraft features thousands of such holes, enabling it to take off vertically, hover and even fly backwards. Flight testing is said to have been completed by 1988.

SENIOR CITIZEN is said to be in operational use since 1989, and almost always in conjunction with F-117A attack planes, flying behind them only minutes away. In August 1990, the type was seen in England, on the Alconbury RAF base. Twelve separate witnesses testify to its taking part in the Gulf War, one of them being parachuted from a SENIOR CITIZEN on the way to Baghdad. Renowned aviation journalist (and ufologist) Steve Douglass allegedly filmed the type on an exercise flight in Roswell. An RAF source also confirmed its presence on Machrihanish RAF base in Scotland. SENIOR CITIZEN aircraft are now said to be based at Camp Mackall in North Carolina. Their numbers are unknown. Many UFO buffs and secret plane enthusiasts have tried to associate the ASALT with the wave of black triangles that were seen over Belgium in the late 1980s. However, what is currently known of the type does not allow for the extremely high speed manoeuver capabilities that were observed by Belgian Air Force pilots.

Most likely, it is simply the often found misprint of the C4ISR acronym, which stands for "commandment, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance". The real designation of the ASALT could very well be something like 'AC-30A' or, even more in line with usual DoD practice, 'ACV-24A' (see insert on the left for a development on likely and unlikely designations). Mention of the SENIOR CITIZEN program in the House & Senate reports for the "National Defense Authorization Act" (under Defense Program Element 0401316F) ceased as of 1994.

So from 1994 the program has been seen to dissapear..Now to WEAV

Concept of the WEAV

We propose a vehicle which employs no moving parts and assures near instanteous response time with 360 deg maneuverability. Goal: Fundamental development in the plasma based flow actuation using atmospheric medium: (a) to improve at least an order of magnitude in thrust generation; (b) to improve at least an order of magnitude in power/weight ratio.

Goes dark after 2008 with its patents only being granted 2011 to 2015.

Also...

Ning Li is an American scientist known for her controversial claims about anti-gravity devices. She worked as a physicist at the Center for Space Plasma and Aeronomic Research, University of Alabama in Huntsville, in the 1990s. In 1999, she left the university to form a company, AC Gravity, LLC, to continue anti-gravity research.

He who shall not be named alluded to a Red Mercury spinny chamber to achieve gravity reduction..
Airframe could be aerogel/carbon nanotube structure wrapped in a delicious coating of optical and radar stealth skin..
So after 1994 to about 2008 she was like the F117,s.On standby..
Anyone want to throw anything more into the mix..?

Was a study on getting Special Forces grunts in and out of tight spots in a hurry then went into something else..Triangle shapes was the favourite shape..

a reply to: grey580

The aurora like doesnt exist n stuff....

I believe that pic is actually the TR3B cloaking as a cloud....they do it all the time.

Zaph knows ......he just wont talk about the tr3bs cloud emulation active camo. ... Or its on board pop corn machine.

Secrets of the tr3b revealed!!!

a reply to: BASSPLYR
And the drinks dispenser...

originally posted by: Blackfinger

He who shall not be named alluded to a Red Mercury spinny chamber to achieve gravity reduction..

What you cant say Bob Lazar in here now?
Astro was more about ablative surfaces, graphene skins and collapsing air corridors if I remember correctly....

Spinning heavy stuff is a silly way to beat gravity in an aircraft if you think about it.... shielding mass from the information horizon would be the more likely method for a potential UFO type craft... if they exist.

As it is...anything to do with VTOL that can actually be deployed in theatre (including multiple industry concepts from the last 20 years and next 20 years) seem to involve conventional rotors and/or vectored thrust..

Wonder if they fit the mechanics of the Avro Canada VZ-9 Avrocar into a Dorito shape..

a reply to: Blackfinger


Posted this before.
Given the increased funding and workload of SOCOM since the 90's- who'd bet against something like this:



It was taken from here : a 1992 study of crew escape technologies...

Some interesting projected planforms and mission profiles in there....fun starts on page 66 and carries on through to page 112.


Would invite comments from more learned members on Page 94