a reply to: starwarsisreal
First of all, that is fake news. Look at your headline.
"In fact, they attacked pregnant women"
Followed by a video which features a single female victim of what amounts to a property damage crime. So, they did not attack a pregnant woman at all,
leave alone pregnant women, as in the plural. They caused property damage. They did not attack someones person, and before you try to tell me that a
persons property amounts to their person for the purposes of this discussion, let me knock any thought of it on the head. You are not your property,
and your property is not you. Your physical person, your flesh, blood and bone, the meat of your brain, these things are what make you human, they are
what is described by "your person". If my property is damaged, I do not call the police and say "I have been assaulted, and need the police to arrest
the perpetrator". I say "My property has been vandalised and I want the guilty party bought to justice".
Was this womans car a legitimate target for abuse? No, of course it was not, and I do not defend the choices of those in that crowd, at that time.
But let us not make the event into something that it just plain is not? There is enough misinformation doing the rounds these days, without members
increasing the noise to signal ratio.
And as for your second example, yes, kids do objectionable things, and lets be honest, they will find a reason, even if there is none, to excuse
their behaviour, no matter how vile it is.
Its also worth pointing out that you can pick out any amount of vitriol from the right biased part of the news media, and hold it up as an example
of... whatever you think is the case, but like this story, there will be no context provided. You see the mother crying, telling the camera her boy
does not have a bad bone in his body, making a great point about how this sort of thing should not be happening in America, but that is ALL you see.
The reality is that violence in schools has a tendency to reciprocate around. The initiating thing is not always the events immediate to an act. For
all the viewer knows, the lad who got tanked was also an objectionable, violent cuss. To be frank, the tendency for a mother to believe the best of
her children is strong, and I have personally witnessed mothers defending the most psychotic of offspring, threatening to have a school shut down
unless her violent, abusive, goose stepping, buzz cut sporting, phobic, sadistic, racist of a son was taken off suspension, because "MY SWEET LITTLE
BOY HAS NEVER HARMED A FLY!". This is a kid who literally pulled a tooth out of another kids mouth, with pliers, not for a lark, but because he liked
I would not put too terribly much stock in this sob story, because there is far too much about it which is opinion and emotion, too little which is a
matter of inescapable fact.
Now, you assert that:
but my point is these so called SJWs are wrecking havoc and disrupting people's lives and use anti fascism as an excuse.
Well hold your horses there. I would not say that the individuals in the first video were doing a good job there. I would not say they picked a
legitimate target. But I would say that it is absolutely impossible to say whether these individuals happen to be stupid and poorly led, but
righteously angry, or whether they are looking for any excuse for a rumble. No one can say with certainty, on which side of the line this activity
falls, only that no matter which way it fell, it was a bad call on the part of the people concerned.
But you have to consider what fascism means for people who oppose it.
It means monoculture. It means Nazi apologists becoming active in government. It means reversal of civil rights law, millions and millions of people
risking loss of rights because of their colour, religion, origins or their gender and their sexuality. It means supremacist thinking not being
challenged, because it actually issues from government. It means education getting worse, because fascists are allergic to things like facts. It means
mouths being silenced, who are only speaking the same truths that were considered patriotism in the forties, but now, for some reason, are considered
amoral examples of left wing whimsy.
It means grandchildren of second world war veterans, clenching their fists around the medals and the heirlooms left them by their grandparents,
wondering what the hell grandfather would think of all this, would think of a world where looking up at the flag of ones nation, one cannot help but
feel the same revulsion we feel when we look at the Swastika.
Ideally, people ought to pick their targets well. They ought to go after the players, not the spectators, and I totally appreciate that, and agree
that the actions of those in the videos above, are utterly unjustifiable.
But you have to accept that not only will the regular left not permit the far right to exist absent opposition, they SHOULD NOT permit the far right
to exist without opposition. It was a lack of effective opposition that bought about the Nazi takeover of Germany. This will not be permitted to come