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Strange Mummies From Nazca Studied By Medical Team

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posted on May, 23 2017 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
While the view we got of the radiology was limited there are a few items that mark these skeletons out as NOT from an ordinary earth vertebrate lineage.

For a start- the second video clearly showed 6 phalanges. Secondly the structure of the wrist and foot does not fit in our lineage. I did not see that clearly enough for my liking- nor did I see the anomaly on the right hip well enough for my liking. From my perspective (medical training) there were too few bones for the wrist to be functional- so that may well point to a fake.

As a rule mammals have a maximum of 5 digits, each with a maximum of 3 phalanges and one metacarpal or metatarsal, and to the best of my recollection that also applies to birds and reptiles.

Equally, digits with so many joints would be very difficult to control- as that would all have to be done by tendons running the full length of the digit.
The mechanisms for making our hands work well are difficult enough.
So- if they are real they are something very unusual.

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posted on May, 23 2017 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Terrence McKenna often talked about his encounters with them

quotefancy.com...


“The things I encounter that I call elves or gnomes, it’s just a gloss. I mean, they’re small, and they have the archetype. They’re more like leprechauns, and this maybe raises a racial issue.”
— Terence McKenna



posted on May, 23 2017 @ 11:30 PM
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a reply to: Barliman

To expand a little further- the femoral head would not work in the supposed hip joint. There is no femoral neck and it would be unstable. While the distal femoral epiphysis is clear it is also convex- and would be fundamentally unstable. There is no clear proximal tibial epiphysis.
This fits with the external appearance of the legs, which have no knee to speak of.
There is no ulna and no radius- both of which are essential to allow rotation in the foot and the hand. Without that one is pretty much disabled from any complex tool wielding activity.
The hand is obviously too small and has too few bones to allow for the sort of flexibility that I am now exploiting as I type.
The piece of metal in the hip is simply bizarre and it looks like there is a bone-metal bridge fusing the hip.
There is no ankle worth speaking of.
As others have commented there are issues in the cervical vertebrae and we are not given a clear view of the neck.
Then there is the obvious issue that the neck is very weak and could not support a head.

I would be astonished if this were the remains of a creature that has ever lived- but the possibility of it being something made up to go in one of the tombs to accompany the humans buried there



posted on May, 24 2017 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: Barliman

Interesting observations.

The MDs who participated in the studies reasoned more or less like you, with some perplexion.

I'll take the opportunity to re-post videos that now have an English translation. Here you see Dr. Ramiro Hermoza Rosell and Dr. Renan Ramírez Vargas, both surgeons, sum up their study of one of the mummies:

www.youtube.com...

Dr. Vivanco's analysis of small heads:

www.youtube.com...

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posted on May, 24 2017 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric
Some of the results of these tests have apparently already arrived (that could in theory be the C-14 tests, they should be early). Jamin declined to reveal any details (everything will be presented during a press conference in the third week of June), but he said that some were very surprising, beyond anything he had imagined, and need to be checked against the other results.


Yup. Following the same pattern.

Atacama alien



BREAKING NEWS: URGENT
There is a chance that we may be able to include in the film “Sirius” the scientific testing of a possible Extraterrestrial Biological Entity (EBE) that has been recovered and is deceased. This EBE is in the possession of a cooperative institute, desiring further scientific evaluation of the possible ET.
We cannot reveal, at this time, the location of this being -- or the name of the person or persons who possess it.

Dr. Jan Bravo-- who is a STAR Board member and a fellow Emergency Physician-- and I have actually visited the group that possesses this EBE -- and have personally and professionally examined the being. It is indeed an actual deceased body, and most certainly is not plastic or man-made. It has a head, 2 arms and 2 legs -- and is humanoid. We have seen and examined X-Rays of the being. Its anatomy, however, is not homo sapien (modern human) or any known hominid (predecessors to humans).

Source



Starchild skull:


In 2010 a modified "shotgun" DNA recovery technique successfully recovered numerous coherent base-pair segments of the Starchild Skull's nuclear DNA. They were analyzed by the National Institutes of Health BLAST program, and a substantial portion of the Starchild's nuclear DNA was found to have "no significant similarity" to any DNA previously found on Earth. This is historic!

Source

DNA findings in 2011 indicate the Starchild Skull is extremely variant from human genetic norms. What remains is to determine whether that means it is “foreign to normal human genetics within the framework that subject is currently understood,” or “definitely not from planet Earth, i.e., an alien”…. or something in between.

Source


Starchild skull results 18 years later:

CURRENT TESTING STATUS
DNA testing is currently on hold, check back soon for updates.



Roswell Alien Mummy


Anthony Bragalia:
What is depicted is really there, accurately reflected in the emulsion as an actual moment in time in 1947. Science has weighed in and has determined that these are real slides that are really from 1947.
Documentary Evidence is a legal term that relates to evidence that accurately reflects a moment in time.
The Only Conclusion: This humanoid is not a deformed person, mummy, dummy, simian or dead serviceman.
It is not a creature that finds its origin on Earth.

Don Schmitt:
It will certainly be the most important event in our lifetimes, because we are demonstrating, not only photographic evidence, but we are also demonstrating what all of these witnesses have reported to us over all of these years.

Source

Tom Carey:
To me it was one of the Roswell aliens. Considering the time frame and what it looked like. It looked exactly like what had been described to me as to what the body looked like from the crash.

Source


As I said, it's the same familiar song and dance that never goes anywhere, or drags on and on.

The issue is, you're linking videos and websites promoting these "mummies" as possible alien beings. You're also defending someone who believes these are ET related. You're doing this without a shred of scientific evidence to even back up the existence of aliens, or visits to Earth. You have no solid foundation to argue your point. This is hopeful belief, nothing more.

Stick with "humanoids" rather than aliens.



posted on May, 24 2017 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: Barliman

Yeah, and all of that leads be to believe it's a fake. If real, surely we would have more people looking, more verification, etc.



posted on May, 24 2017 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: Barliman
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Terrence McKenna often talked about his encounters with them

quotefancy.com...


“The things I encounter that I call elves or gnomes, it’s just a gloss. I mean, they’re small, and they have the archetype. They’re more like leprechauns, and this maybe raises a racial issue.”
— Terence McKenna


I do find it interesting that so many cultures have legends of small beings of that sort!! Has to be a reason. His comment on a "racial issue" is interesting, too; wonder what he was implying?



posted on May, 24 2017 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
Remember that McKenna talked about his experiences under the influences of '___', but that similar experiences have been had for time immemorial by shamans, mystics and experienced meditators.

The accounts within cultures are pretty specific- a Tibetan will see Tibetan deities, Christians will see Christ, or Mary if they are Catholic.

However what they are seeing really exists in another dimension, beyond the realm of form. They then have the challenge of fitting what is seen into their own cognitive framework so they tend to see what is familiar. So that is what I think that he was getting at by "Racial Issue"

I'm sure these things exist, but not in the way us "third density beings" generally understand existence. BTW- I suggest that the issue of "cultural filters" applies to virtually all prophetic literature, and I am always a little concerned at people who take Revelations too literally



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 02:47 AM
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originally posted by: Ectoplasm8

As I said, it's the same familiar song and dance that never goes anywhere, or drags on and on.


Oh dear.

This may be the least accomplished attack I've received so far, and you actually put some time into it.

You know what? Nothing that you posted has any relevance. All these other 'cases' you referred to are but a chronology of your own deception, nothing else.



originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
The issue is, you're linking videos and websites promoting these "mummies" as possible alien beings. You're also defending someone who believes these are ET related.


Yes I am. He has a right to an opinion just as you have. No defense needed because this is not a trial, and you're not a judge.


originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
You're doing this without a shred of scientific evidence to even back up the existence of aliens, or visits to Earth. You have no solid foundation to argue your point. This is hopeful belief, nothing more.


I'm not trying to prove that these are 'alien' mummies, and I've said so from the start.

I'm trying to prove that the mummified remains are genuine mummified remains, regardless of what they are.

The solid foundation on which I argue my point is four medical/scientific studies performed in Cusco, Peru between November 2016 and March 2017.

Four MDs (three surgeons, one bone specialist) have so far publicly stated unequivocally that these are genuine mummified remains and not a hoax, not a shred of doubt. Other qualified scientists have stated the same thing, although they're waiting for the test results to go public. Plenty of scientific data has been collected to back these statements up. It is however not proven that I'm right. Other scientific institutions need to access the samples and the data so that a broader consensus can be reached.

You're screaming hoax, but so far you don't have a shred of data to back it up.

You haven't source checked the MDs, whether their credentials are real or not, or whether they stand behind the statements in the videos, nothing.

The only thing you've done so far is making your mind up it's a hoax.
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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric
You're screaming hoax, but so far you don't have a shred of data to back it up.


Re:
The burden of proof lies with the claimants and not on those to prove it's fake/hoax.


You know what? Nothing that you posted has any relevance. All these other 'cases' you referred to are but a chronology of your own deception, nothing else.


It shows a pattern of the same type of nonsense that has been going on for years. It's always on the verge of being discovered, but the information can't be revealed just now. They need more testing, which is followed again with more testing needed. It's aimed at people like yourself who buy into this crapola. That is, if you're not involved in some way.

Let me put on my clairvoyant hat and predict this press conference will reveal "highly unusual" data that has to undergo more in depth testing. Sound about right?

For people that take the subject seriously, it's this kind thing that undermines any serious efforts and brings mocking.



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 02:52 AM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Barliman

Yeah, and all of that leads be to believe it's a fake. If real, surely we would have more people looking, more verification, etc.


The question is-- at what level is it a fake?
As I have said the radiological evidence that we have been allowed to see does not look like a viable creature.

The people who have examined these artefacts believe that they are genuine mummified remains.

I reckon what is most likely is that these artefacts were constructed from various bits and pieces for use in religious ceremonies.

Of course I could be wrong and maybe they are aliens. That would be way more interesting.



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Barliman

Yeah, and all of that leads be to believe it's a fake. If real, surely we would have more people looking, more verification, etc.


Is that straight from the manual of how to identify fakes?

It's difficult to do more verification when it all narrows down to one tomb robber - who is by profession shy and who filters abd distorts the information by fear of getting caught.

Thierry jamin says that every tomb robber in the area knows what's going on and is out looking for the tomb complex. Mario is very worried he has given out too much info on the location.

The District Court of Nazca has opened up a preliminary hearing concerning the 'Nazca Affair'
Just in case any traffic of grave goods and archaeological remains is going on - which is the case.



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 11:41 AM
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As stated earlier, the Inkari Institute has acquired 4 (or 5) mummified brains from Mario, here's a short clip from the line up:

www.youtube.com...

The Institute adds that the largest of the brains are 20 cm (7.9 inches) long,

The white powdery substance that covers all the embalmed interior organs found in the tomb complex has been removed (by Mario, samples have been sent for analysis),

All brains are compact, almost completely dehydrated and gives off an odor of dry meat.



posted on May, 28 2017 @ 05:24 AM
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Picture A


Picture B


Are this two x-rays the same?

They look different to me. The lung doesnt look like they have the same width.
And the leg bones look different too.

Btw, Heliocentric, your way of presentating data remind me of Michael Horn, media respresentative for Billy Meier UFO case, some time in the 90's I think.


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posted on May, 28 2017 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: EasternShadow

Are this two x-rays the same?

They look different to me. The lung doesnt look like they have the same width.
And the leg bones look different too.


No, they are two different X-rays of two different mummified bodies.

It's a bit confusing and I've mixed up the different mummies myself in this thread.

This is the background. The Inkari Institute has so far bought four complete mummified bodies from Mario. All four bodies seem to have come from what Mario calls a sarkophage, and this large casket contained a total of 20 small mummified bodies, mummified body parts plus hundreds of objects and artefacts in stone and metal. According to his own statement, Mario has so far retrieved two or more sarkophages, and he says there are many more in the tunnel system.

I suspect that the four brains shown in the above posted video were found in the same sarkophage, and may belong to the four mummified bodies. The bodies have been named Albert, Josefina, Maria and Victoria.

As far as I know, this is Albert:



www.youtube.com...

This is Josefina:



www.youtube.com...

... but it could be the other way around, sorry. Maria and Victoria have so far not been presented, I think the Inkari Institute is working on it. Maria has been described as an exceptional mummy. MRI scans have been made, rumors say it's a female.


originally posted by: EasternShadow
Btw, Heliocentric, your way of presentating data remind me of Michael Horn, media respresentative for Billy Meier UFO case, some time in the 90's I think.


OK. I am in any case not Michael Horn.
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posted on May, 28 2017 @ 08:05 PM
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After looking hard at photos, videos and X-rays, I would like to make a correction.

This X-ray I believe it to be this little guy (21 cm/8.2 inch):











This is one of the mummies Paul Ronceros use in some of his video material. As said before, Paul Ronceros is one of the persons Mario the tomb robber turned to in the beginning of these events. He has obtained some mummified remains and objects from Mario, and I suspect they are genuine.
However, since it has not been studied scientifically (as far as I know) I prefer not to bring it into the debate.

This should be Josefina... yes it looks like a small storm trooper helmet was stuck on a gorilla rib cage.



It matches the video of Josefina... to be continued.
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posted on May, 30 2017 @ 06:20 AM
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This is one of the videos put out by Paul Ronceros, they show the same remains and X-rays in detail. I'm not an X-ray expert, but it looks to me like the scans are not properly calibrated.

www.youtube.com...

All Paul's sayings and theories on the Universe belongs to him, I know nothing about that. I would like to see that odd little figure in the video studied in a proper lab, to know what it's made of and how old it is.



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posted on May, 30 2017 @ 11:55 PM
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originally posted by: Barliman
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
Remember that McKenna talked about his experiences under the influences of '___', but that similar experiences have been had for time immemorial by shamans, mystics and experienced meditators.

The accounts within cultures are pretty specific- a Tibetan will see Tibetan deities, Christians will see Christ, or Mary if they are Catholic.

However what they are seeing really exists in another dimension, beyond the realm of form. They then have the challenge of fitting what is seen into their own cognitive framework so they tend to see what is familiar. So that is what I think that he was getting at by "Racial Issue"

I'm sure these things exist, but not in the way us "third density beings" generally understand existence. BTW- I suggest that the issue of "cultural filters" applies to virtually all prophetic literature, and I am always a little concerned at people who take Revelations too literally



I can respect that. If someone is basing their beliefs off of visions, that's far too subjective, without something more to substantiate things. Revelation is very metaphorical, as far as that goes; some things can be stated simply but much isn't as clear.



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 12:03 AM
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originally posted by: Barliman

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Barliman

Yeah, and all of that leads be to believe it's a fake. If real, surely we would have more people looking, more verification, etc.


The question is-- at what level is it a fake?
As I have said the radiological evidence that we have been allowed to see does not look like a viable creature.

The people who have examined these artefacts believe that they are genuine mummified remains.

I reckon what is most likely is that these artefacts were constructed from various bits and pieces for use in religious ceremonies.

Of course I could be wrong and maybe they are aliens. That would be way more interesting.


I's say, at all levels. Constructed from various things, most likely, so there is real animal material present, but nothing seems "right". Even the pros can be fooled.

More interesting, indeed, but seems unlikely!!



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Barliman

Yeah, and all of that leads be to believe it's a fake. If real, surely we would have more people looking, more verification, etc.


Is that straight from the manual of how to identify fakes?

It's difficult to do more verification when it all narrows down to one tomb robber - who is by profession shy and who filters abd distorts the information by fear of getting caught.

Thierry jamin says that every tomb robber in the area knows what's going on and is out looking for the tomb complex. Mario is very worried he has given out too much info on the location.

The District Court of Nazca has opened up a preliminary hearing concerning the 'Nazca Affair'
Just in case any traffic of grave goods and archaeological remains is going on - which is the case.


I hadn't even considered the location claimed, as a factor. Of course, if someone illegally raided a tomb, they couldn't very well talk about that openly, without risking arrest. It's the look of the thing that makes me suspicious. Just seems very much like some known fakes, somehow.

I could easily be wrong. Hard to tell a lot from the video.







 
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