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Strange Mummies From Nazca Studied By Medical Team

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posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 04:30 AM
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posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 04:31 AM
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a reply to: Agartha

Same here

I believe they should move this into the hoax bin. Plenty of evidence for that now!



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 04:31 AM
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originally posted by: 311again
a reply to: Agartha




I will still follow the thread to find out the 'great secret' only 311/Foerster knows..... he has found the 'absolute truth' apparently, his own words, so let's see if he ever says what that absolute truth is.... I doubt it.



You will be utterly gobsmacked when find out the what that absolute truth is—I can guarantee you that—and that BTW is not a hyperbolic overstatement, for you will question everything that you now know.



LOL this guy!



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 04:37 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris




LOL this guy!



This is going to be such fun when it comes out—I can't wait...LOL

Science as you know it is about to change...




posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 04:40 AM
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originally posted by: 311again
a reply to: Jay-morris




LOL this guy!



This is going to be such fun when it comes out—I can't wait...LOL

Science as you know it is about to change...



When it comes out! lol As for science! You do not know the meaning of the word lol



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 04:44 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: 311again
a reply to: Jay-morris




LOL this guy!



This is going to be such fun when it comes out—I can't wait...LOL

Science as you know it is about to change...



When it comes out! lol As for science! You do not know the meaning of the word lol



Absolute truth will change us absolutely...LOL




posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 05:33 AM
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originally posted by: 311again
a reply to: Agartha
You will be utterly gobsmacked when find out the what that absolute truth is—I can guarantee you that—and that BTW is not a hyperbolic overstatement, for you will question everything that you now know.



Sure, but I was promised that with the Paracas mummies and the Roswell slides, and nothing happened. Funnily enough, the same people were involved.

So far I only see mummies that have been modified by people who didn't even complete primary school and experts who cannot distinguish male from female anatomy.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 05:39 AM
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originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: 311again
a reply to: Agartha
You will be utterly gobsmacked when find out the what that absolute truth is—I can guarantee you that—and that BTW is not a hyperbolic overstatement, for you will question everything that you now know.



Sure, but I was promised that with the Paracas mummies and the Roswell slides, and nothing happened. Funnily enough, the same people were involved.

So far I only see mummies that have been modified by people who didn't even complete primary school and experts who cannot distinguish male from female anatomy.


No Agartha, you have to look at the science lol

What a joke! So Agartha, do you think 311again is part of this scam, or just a troll?



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 05:48 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

No Agartha, you have to look at the science lol


Maybe the guy can't type.
I assumed instead of "science" he meant "sinus."

Perhaps the sinuses of these patchwork puppet mummies have some interesting characteristics.
IOW, I give him the benefit of the doubt on this sinus typo.
I'm not much of a typist either.

Harte



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 06:05 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris
No Agartha, you have to look at the science lol



hahaha of course, how silly of me!


niv

posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 06:58 AM
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This thread is a sorry example of the direction the aliens forum has taken over the years. This continual and relentless drumbeat of declaring this a hoax while in the infancy of this event is tiresome and against the spirit of this website. We get people declaring the evidence of this matter is definitive. What evidence? None of the thorough scientific results have been received yet. In the mean time evidence listed is:

(1) the pictures look fake, some can see evidence of gauze or plaster, etc. (not evidence, it's opinion);
(2) the bodies of the little ones are too small for a human to survive (obviously carefully studied by experts in alien physiology -- once again not evidence but opinion);
(3) many of the parties investigating this matter can be discredited (irrelevant -- there is a reason most courts don't let this sort of "evidence" into a trial); and
(4) an early and cursory test shows that Maria is male and human (how about waiting for the real DNA studies which are currently at 5 labs).

I may have missed some claims by the debunkers of evidence but I'm willing to bet that that information is either opinion or irrelevant.

The debunkers may be proven to be correct in the end but we are nowhere close to knowing that. What is the harm to waiting for actual scientific data? Why the rush to declare this as a hoax and to move on? One poster mentioned that he has seen this sort of claim made in the past and eventually discredited. This is frustrating (I've been following this for 45 years and can sympathize) but that is evidence of nothing. After all, for example, Troy's existence was considered fiction until it was discovered and heavier than air planes were impossible until they weren't.

I'm not saying that these mummies are aliens or hybrids or anything else. I'm saying that we should drop the nonsense and wait for data.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: Harte

Perhaps the sinuses of these patchwork puppet mummies have some interesting characteristics.
IOW, I give him the benefit of the doubt on this sinus typo.
I'm not much of a typist either.

Harte


I'll be happy to discuss the dehydrated bodies with you with some of the MRI scans on the table, and why not with some of the people who have actually studied them?

Somehow I expected you to fess up and wait for the right moment before you jumped at me

I also expected you to stay factual, and not fall in line with a stone throwing mob - however tempting it can be.

You know, at one point or another you'll have to explain how those 'patchwork puppet' mummies were made and by who, and why that preconceived notion does not correspond with any of the data collected so far.

I assume you're dying to show the world why this is all nonsense. Maybe we should start with the check you did on the names I gave you. Have you verified their credentials? Have you talked to them? Are they up to the standards of your anonymous judgement?


On another note, last night I read through some articles on last years (2016) CT scanning of selected Chinchorro mummies, and I found something interesting in Anthropologist Veronica Silva's work.
15 Chinchorro mummies, mostly children and fetuses, were put through a CT scanner at the Los Condes clinic in Santiago, Chile.
Chinchorro embalmers would remove the skin and muscle tissue from the body, and using wood, plants and clay they then reconstructed the body, then sewed the skin back on. In other words they were creative with the materials they had available, kind of like Ectoplasm8 and his plaster and chicken bone mummies.

I'll quote straight from an article that sums it up well:

Surprises have already begun to appear from the CT scanner. The smallest mummy, it turns out, was not a mummy at all. "There was no bone structure inside. It was just a figurine, possibly a representation of an individual who could not be mummified", said Silva
www.pressreader.com...

Silva speculates on why a figurine was buried among the other mummies, but the idea that it represents someone who's body could not be buried makes sense.

Of course I make that connection to the small bodies from the supposed Nazca tomb complex. They have not been properly studied yet but seem to be composite structures made to look like the larger bodies.

However unique the Nazca tomb complex (based on Mario's testimony) and conservation technique of the dehydrated bodies seem to be, there are possible precedents from nearby, earlier cultures - which in an anthropological/archaeological context is important.
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posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: niv
This thread is a sorry example of the direction the aliens forum has taken over the years. This continual and relentless drumbeat of declaring this a hoax while in the infancy of this event is tiresome and against the spirit of this website. We get people declaring the evidence of this matter is definitive. What evidence? None of the thorough scientific results have been received yet. In the mean time evidence listed is:

(1) the pictures look fake, some can see evidence of gauze or plaster, etc. (not evidence, it's opinion);
(2) the bodies of the little ones are too small for a human to survive (obviously carefully studied by experts in alien physiology -- once again not evidence but opinion);
(3) many of the parties investigating this matter can be discredited (irrelevant -- there is a reason most courts don't let this sort of "evidence" into a trial); and
(4) an early and cursory test shows that Maria is male and human (how about waiting for the real DNA studies which are currently at 5 labs).

I may have missed some claims by the debunkers of evidence but I'm willing to bet that that information is either opinion or irrelevant.

The debunkers may be proven to be correct in the end but we are nowhere close to knowing that. What is the harm to waiting for actual scientific data? Why the rush to declare this as a hoax and to move on? One poster mentioned that he has seen this sort of claim made in the past and eventually discredited. This is frustrating (I've been following this for 45 years and can sympathize) but that is evidence of nothing. After all, for example, Troy's existence was considered fiction until it was discovered and heavier than air planes were impossible until they weren't.

I'm not saying that these mummies are aliens or hybrids or anything else. I'm saying that we should drop the nonsense and wait for data.



Stop being gullible and actually read the thread and what people have posted. There is plenty of evidence that this is a hoax. The only people who seem to believe it, if you look at their post history, are just very gullible I am afraid!



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 11:16 AM
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PAUL BE MY FRIEND, BORROW ME YOUR PIECES

This is funny and see how things change with Maussan's postures regarding this case.
At the beginning Maussan only contact was french Thierry Jamin but then he realized
that Thierry was not the source but a guy named Paul Ronceros aka krawix999 who
was in contact with the root, the tomb robber " Mario " only provider of the infamous
Nazca Mummies and parts. Maussan was furious against Thierry Jamin because this
was not an exclusive story for wich he has paid a lot of money. Maussan decided to ignore
Paul Ronceros aka krawix999 and continued dealing with Thierry Jamin. After the divorce
between Paul Ronceros and Thierry Jamin Paul decided to come clean revealing that all
the pieces given to him by tomb robber " Mario " were 100 % armed with pieces of animal
and human remains among other materials. Thierry Jamin reacted and sent a message to
Paul telling him: " Please shut up. this is not good for bussines " but Paul continued
making revelations that actually debunked the alien origin theory that Thierry and Maussan
were trying to sustain. These are historical facts already exposed and proved.

Now that Thierry Jamin is out of the scenario ( For good ) Maussan decided to contact
Paul Ronceros obviously to convince him to be partners. Maussan's 6 part reports named
" En Busca De Los Dioses Perdidos " is coming to and end this Sunday and the series has
not received the attention Maussan was expecting, the Nazca case has weakened a lot
with so many contradictions and attacks Maussan is feeling his precious investment is
dissapearing in his hands and besides he also lost contact with " Mario "

In order to recover the interest of his case and keeping it alive Maussan contacted the
original source Paul Ronceros AKA krawix999 the man that made public this case. In
this phone conversation Maussan is trying to convince Paul to borrow the pieces he
has in possesion allegedly to be subjected to new analysis but in reality Maussan was
trying to get hold of these pieces to extend the life of his investigation taking advantage
of Paul Ronceros. But Paul is not a fool and realized what were Maussan's real intentions
and the risks of deliver the pieces to an unscrupulous man. Paul simply rejected Maussan's
request in a clever way. See here the moment of the conversation between Maussan and
Paul as it was broadcast on television.



PAUL YOUR BIG HAND IS AUTHENTIC - NO, MY BIG HAND IS 100 % ARMED

This part of their conversation is simply ridicule. Maussan insisted that the big hand that
Paul has in possession, the same famous alleged alien hand shown many times and given
to Paul by "Mario " from the location of the findings is authentic, not armed or fabricated
but authentic this according to the specialists Maussan hired. But Paul answered: NO, THE
BIG HAND I HAVE IS 100 % ARMED. Maussan insisted trying to evade Paul's answer and to avoid
ridicule on television. Paul aswered again destroying the illusion: ALL THE PARTS I HAVE
ARE FROM THE LOCATION OF THE FINDINGS AND ALL OF THEM ARE 100 % ARMED. End of story.
Watch the dialogue and how ridicule Maussan acts.



These video evidences demonstrate how weak and absurd is this case of the alleged
Nazca Alien Mummies from Peru. A Hoax invented and created by Paul Ronceros aka
krawix999 in complicity with a tomb robber delinquent nicknamed " Mario " who got
all the pieces and made an alliance with Paul Ronceros to make money, both are
negligible individuals as well as the one who has been promoting them in this forum.

The criminal activities must be condemned all the time, denounced and exposed in
order to punish those who pretend to make a living by commiting crimes. The case
of the Nazca Alien Mummies is a blatant HOAX that two guys here are still trying to
promote in a ckeeke way, two cynical individuals with no sense of commitment to
the truth.
NEXT MORE REVELATIONS



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 07:35 PM
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Sure, but I was promised that with the Paracas mummies and the Roswell slides, and nothing happened...


Apparently the DNA analysis of Paracas Skulls results were announced by the geneticist who conducted that analysis. Allegedly the geneticist himself/herself paid for that analysis to be conducted out of their own pocket. Once the results had been finalized the geneticist wanted to remain anonymous because those same results might perchance reflect upon their business and/or personal lives. Scoffers, at this point will no doubt say something like "Well, how convenient..."

One should consider this Paracas Skulls event to be a somewhat inconclusive chapter. For only the anonymous geneticist themselves knows for sure the full truth of this matter—but they wanted to keep certain details such as their business and personal names secret which is quite understandable & I can and do respect that privacy, but as a consequence we, the general public, are still left sadly unsatisfactorily hanging...

Please correct me on any of the above details if they happen to be wrong in some way—as I am not that overly familiar with this matter...

BTW:— There may be a way that we can get my discovery out there—as I am just as sick & tired of having to wait for this thing to happen as I know all of you are...


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posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 04:08 AM
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originally posted by: 311again
One should consider this Paracas Skulls event to be a somewhat inconclusive chapter.


Inconclusive only for Foerster, the king of hoaxes, as he continues to make money with tours, books and videos.

The Paracas skulls had too many red flags to mention here: unknown geneticists, unknown lab, DNA reports never published etc. Then we have initial results that showed a human mithocondrial DNA with mutations unknown to this planet (which obviously couldn't come from contamination or from an anomaly, oh no, that would be too normal).

And as per 2016 final DNA tests show they were human but not from the region: their haplogroup is T2B which originates in Mesopotamia, this meaning 'it rewrites history as we know it as it contradicts migration patterns and it links them to the Nephilim'.

And apparently the red hair confirms their speculations, ignoring the fact that many processes alter hair colour after death, such as bacteria, fungi, environment (iron, tannin etc). Even mammoth have been found with red fur. But nooo, it's Nephilim DNA, because a native South-American mummy is not cool enough, they have to add lots of nonsense about a race of white giants that never existed.



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 08:24 PM
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Inconclusive only for Foerster, the king of hoaxes, as he continues to make money with tours, books and videos.



If he practices essential honesty in all of his business dealings, but is however occasionally duped by the many hoaxers that are out there (which is a formidable constant trap in this highly controversial area)—then I don't have a problem with him making money.

If, on the other hand, you can prove conclusively to me that he has in the past set up any of these "scam" events for purely money-making purposes—then I would certainly change my mind. Until then I will give him the benefit of the doubt...





The Paracas skulls had too many red flags to mention here: unknown geneticists, unknown lab, DNA reports never published etc...



As for DNA reports never being published—how do we know that they weren't published? The geneticist himself paid for all of this out of his own pocket through his privately owned company. He may happen to have his own website with that particular DNA report on it titled something obscure like "Anomalies in 647 DNA". Or he may in fact have his own VPN with access limited to a few necessary users. He may even operate somewhere else like on the deep web...

Because he initiated these tests himself is there even a protocol as to why he should feel the need to publish them at all—wasn't this test done supposedly in his own spare time using his company & money purely out of his own innate curiosity?

The controversy that surrounds this subject should alert you to the fact that if he published this information then it could potentially ruin his company's reputation & therefore future earnings—we all know that most companies tend to shy away from this very contentious subject like the proverbial plague.





And apparently the red hair confirms their speculations, ignoring the fact that many processes alter hair colour after death, such as bacteria, fungi, environment (iron, tannin etc). Even mammoth have been found with red fur. But nooo, it's Nephilim DNA, because a native South-American mummy is not cool enough, they have to add lots of nonsense about a race of white giants that never existed.



I agree with most of what you say here. The "red hair" aspect seems to be a fairly common occurrence due to oxidation & other factors, and is omnipresent in Egyptian mummies. People use this "red hair" factor as a big selling point by pretending that is very rare and is extremely unusual or even unknown—purely to sensationalize the subject.

As far as the Nephilim DNA and the race of white giants—they might as well be waffling on about three-headed aliens from the planet Zonk, for all I care...




posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 08:41 PM
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Thierry Jamin has posted a new video online (in French).

In short, he 's just back from Nazca and says a lot of things are happening over there, referring to groups of people looking for the Tomb Complex. He and the Inkari Institute will take a short brake in the month of August, but 3 new mummies will be presented soon.

Cesar Alejandro Soriano (a Peruvian archaeologist that accepts the authenticity of the dehydrated bodies ) has just asked for authorization at the Ministry of Culture in Ica to try to localize the Tomb Complex. Jamin wishes him luck and support, and gives a wink he thinks he think he knows more or less where it is. I guess we'll see:

www.youtube.com...
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posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 04:51 AM
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originally posted by: 311again
If he practices essential honesty in all of his business dealings, but is however occasionally duped by the many hoaxers that are out there (which is a formidable constant trap in this highly controversial area)—then I don't have a problem with him making money.

If, on the other hand, you can prove conclusively to me that he has in the past set up any of these "scam" events for purely money-making purposes—then I would certainly change my mind. Until then I will give him the benefit of the doubt...


Promoting a fake alien connection to mummies in South America and making money off them (via tours, videos etc) is a scam and offensive to the culture of Andean communities. Their mummies are incredible and precious enough without adding lots of nonsense about cone head aliens.





As for DNA reports never being published—how do we know that they weren't published? The geneticist himself paid for all of this out of his own pocket through his privately owned company. He may happen to have his own website with that particular DNA report on it titled something obscure like "Anomalies in 647 DNA". Or he may in fact have his own VPN with access limited to a few necessary users. He may even operate somewhere else like on the deep web...

Because he initiated these tests himself is there even a protocol as to why he should feel the need to publish them at all—wasn't this test done supposedly in his own spare time using his company & money purely out of his own innate curiosity?

The controversy that surrounds this subject should alert you to the fact that if he published this information then it could potentially ruin his company's reputation & therefore future earnings—we all know that most companies tend to shy away from this very contentious subject like the proverbial plague.


Foerster is promoting an alien connection to the mummies on his site, to sell videos, tours, t-shirts, you name it. He talks about their haplogroup and yet he does not post any genetic reports.

I am not talking about the geneticists, I am talking about Foerster: he is making money promoting those 'incredible' DNA results and yet he does not publish the reports. And if you want to hear anything about it you have to buy the DVDs and spend $40. This is how he makes his money. If his claims were real, he would have given the mummies to a university who would have tested them for free and publish the results for all to see. But there is no profit to make like that.

He is the king of hoaxes, disputing his title with Maussan.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 11:35 AM
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I've followed this thread all the way through and all I see are armchair "It's a Hoax" experts, based on what? With any case in hand, you look at ALL the facts and ALL the evidence. You sound like poor detectives who shout "it was murder" without examining the body and the evidence, based purely on your so called expertise, which to me is doubtful. You sound ridiculous when you keep shouting HOAX and hoping you convince others. You're failing miserably from mine and others perspectives. We are going to wait for all the facts and all the evidence. There's no rush. Nobody has taken any money from me. If it's a total scam, then I will judge that at the time, when experts actually tell us it's a real scam. It won't be by you so called armchair experts shouting "Hoax" every reply.
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