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Strange Mummies From Nazca Studied By Medical Team

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posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: Agartha




You can't buy my crystal ball. To have my crystal ball you have to spend a few years at university first, then train for years and then work in a hospital for years, so you can work with real human beings and learn how to interpret xrays and understand how human anatomy and biology works. Only then you'll have the necessary knowledge to handle my crystal ball.



Let me try to reinterpret some of what our intrepid poster is trying so desperately to say...





You can't buy my crystal ball. To have my crystal ball you have to spend a few years at university first, then train for years and then work in a hospital for years...



Yes, yes, I know it must be terribly difficult pushing that so so heavy mop around the hospital toilet floors every day...my heart bleeds so very much for you, but look on the bright side, you just never know—one day things might turn out better for you...good luck.




...so you can work with real human beings and learn how to interpret xrays...



This is what you say when you see one of those xrays..."Ooooh, this is fuzzy white stuff on black paper...oooh, what can it be?"


And you write later...



And continue to mock me for using real science whilst you believe in magic technology and pink invisible unicorns.



Are you being racist? What about the blue ones?


On the serious side...no, I don't have any bona fide medical qualifications at all (I deal mainly in the area of IT), and therefore, do not feel competent enough to discuss or dismiss any of the biological evidence that is presented here by anybody. However, I do feel that our OP is being absolutely honest in the presentation of all of his answers, and cannot detect any fraudualant behaviour whatsoever on his behalf.


Also, there is this other corroborating evidence that I've posted about previously which will likely end up being something like the "smoking gun" as far as the disputed authenticity of these mummies are concerned. But, don't say that I didn't warn you—when this eventually does come out.


So, just hold onto your hats—for we're about to undertake quite an interesting journey.


"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke







posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: Zedoo
a reply to: Heliocentric

One quick example is the "analysis" of the mummy Roberto. They mentioned in the description (I am a french speaker):
"Espèce « reptilienne » de style « petit gris »": Reptilian specie of "small grey" type.

What do they mean? Did they already jumped to a conclusion?
The lexical field they are using is oriented (not mentioning the ridiculous "Alien Project" name...) and I find this presentation counter-productive and unnecessary.

Could you please share your thought on this?


I believe you're talking about Albert.

The researchers have identified certain traits in the dehydrated bodies that are radically non-human.

Such as the absence of Mammary Glands (that all Mammals have), the eggs in Josefina's abdomen and the three digit hands and feet. Reptiles are oviparous and some are tridactyl, therefore some interpret this as reptile traits. It could be, but it could also be something else.
I think it's basically about creating simple analogies that people can relate to, but I agree that mixing in alien pop culture just makes it harder to present this find seriously.
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posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: 311again
On the serious side...no, I don't have any bona fide medical qualifications at all (I deal mainly in the area of IT), and therefore, do not feel competent enough to discuss or dismiss any of the biological evidence that is presented here by anybody.


I know, we can all see that hence you don't try to debunk our posts, you simply mock us. But I'm used to it, 'when the debate is over, slander is the tool of the looser'.



However, I do feel that our OP is being absolutely honest in the presentation of all of his answers, and cannot detect any fraudualant behaviour whatsoever on his behalf.


I don't go by feelings, I can see the OP has not been completely honest. One simple example: go to page 20 and see that he has posted a video of a 'bulbhead fetus', which is not, real experts have concluded it is a 'child under two', not a fetus (as shown in his own video). I did point at this on my last post on that same page, but of course it has been ignored.

See, knowledge lets you see things you couldn't when you are scientific illiterate. But hey, I'm ready for more mocking from you, pal.





posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 01:58 AM
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I don't go by feelings, I can see the OP has not been completely honest. One simple example: go to page 20 and see that he has posted a video of a 'bulbhead fetus', which is not, real experts have concluded it is a 'child under two', not a fetus (as shown in his own video). I did point at this on my last post on that same page, but of course it has been ignored.


I went to page 20 & found the video. The title of the Youtube video is:


EVIDENCE! "Human" Fetus With Elongated Skull Found In Bolivia!


From the "Desciption" area at the bottom of the same video it relates the following:

Truly an amazing find. According to an American radiologist that accompanied me, the fetus seen in this video would have been born with an elongated head. He stated that such cranial features made this baby NOT Homo sapiens sapiens.


There was some conjecture on that sign saying that it was two years old (in the comments section below the video). However, Brien Foerster gave his opinion on the matter in a reply.

At 5:29 of the video recommended by Heliocentric, the American radiologist was estimating that the foetus was 7 to 9 months old—so I just can't seem to see where that lie might be...maybe it's hiding elsewhere?


edit on 21-7-2017 by 311again because: Scared



posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: AgarthaI can see the OP has not been completely honest. One simple example: go to page 20 and see that he has posted a video of a 'bulbhead fetus', which is not, real experts have concluded it is a 'child under two', not a fetus (as shown in his own video). I did point at this on my last post on that same page, but of course it has been ignored.



I did not respond to your comment because I did not see it important to do so.

But since you insist... The video shows the remains of a very young individual. Next to it you see a sign in Spanish and English that claims the remains are of a "child less than two years old".

The sign bears the logo of a tourist organization called Misterios del Titikaka Bolivia - that sponsored the museum to a greater or lesser degree:
step.unwto.org...
Who are the 'real experts' you refer to? Maybe the local practitioner or vet in Pata Patani wrote that text.
In any case, the person who wrote it played it safe, because a "child under two years of age" is a very vague definition of age. I personally think a skilled and experienced professional can do better than that.
Radiologist Ken (who Brien Foerster never identify with a full name nor credentials. It would have helped his own credibility if he had) performs a biological/anatomical analysis that I can follow and explains why he thinks the remains belong to a 7 - 9 months old fetus (he speculates that both the mother and the child died from complications during childbirth).
In another video made by Foerster, a certain Dr. Dave (said to be a Neurologist but once again Foerster denies us the full name or credentials) makes a corroborating analysis of the fetus/infant body:
www.youtube.com...

So, between an anonymous sign with a too vague statement made by a tourist association and a more fleshed out analysis by anonymous Dr. Ken and Dr. Dave, I'll go with Dr.Ken and Dr. Dave for now. But as with all truths and theories, they can be changed with better, more accurate data.

As said, I'm dying to head over there and check it out for myself.

Is that honest enough for you?

Gaia has posted a new video; Update 4: Smaller bodies revealed.

www.gaia.com...
edit on 21-7-2017 by Heliocentric because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 07:02 PM
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In a video on GAIA a specialist remarked that one of the reptile-like humanoids had zero fat. This seemed somewhat strange to me as in fact reptiles do indeed have fat—which, for the most part is stored in their tails, but apparently there is also a supply in their bodies as well.


However, what surprised me is that female lizards, during the breeding season, also need to provide nutritious substances that are provided through this very same fat for their eggs. How could this possibly have worked for Josefina & her eggs—if she'd had zero fat?


Were they so beyond our own current CRISPR (the gene-editing technology) that their basic intrinsic need for the body's fat had been somehow completely negated?


Thanks for the updates.




posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 08:00 AM
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originally posted by: 311again
There was some conjecture on that sign saying that it was two years old (in the comments section below the video).


I didn't read the comments, I read the sign and then used basic human biology to confirm the sign is correct.


At 5:29 of the video recommended by Heliocentric, the American radiologist was estimating that the foetus was 7 to 9 months old—so I just can't seem to see where that lie might be...maybe it's hiding elsewhere?


See my explanation below.



originally posted by: Heliocentric
In any case, the person who wrote it played it safe, because a "child under two years of age" is a very vague definition of age.


Children's ages are determined by the fontanelle which is a soft membrane between bones, in the skull. Once born the fontanelle will solidify into bone, and this process is completed between 12 to 24 months of life. Let me show you with pictures.

In here you can see how open the fontanelle are in two fetuses (one 6 to 7 gestation months -1st skull- and the bigger one 8 to 9 gestation month -2nd skull) and how they are completely closed when a child is 3-4 years old (3rd skull, the 4th is an adult)
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Here you have another picture showing a 4 month old baby, see how the fontanelle are still not sealed and visible? ( LINK 2 )



Let's have a look at the Bolivian mummy, the fontanelle are sealed although still slightly visible, giving an age of less than 24 months, as stated on the museum sign.





Radiologist Ken (who Brien Foerster never identify with a full name nor credentials. It would have helped his own credibility if he had) performs a biological/anatomical analysis that I can follow and explains why he thinks the remains belong to a 7 - 9 months old fetus (he speculates that both the mother and the child died from complications during childbirth).


His assumptions are ridiculous and I would like to know where he got it from that the mummies are mother and child, as the other female mummy is not the mother. But please, provide evidence she is.


The sign bears the logo of a tourist organization called Misterios del Titikaka Bolivia - that sponsored the museum to a greater or lesser degree


Wrong. The logo you talk about is from the World Tourism Organization, part of the UN (United Nations) which sponsors local tourist organizations all around the world. Many companies sponsored the Tapa Tapani Museum, and you can see them all clearly in the video you provided at 01:41. Other logos you can see are: CAF (a bank, Banco de desarrollo de America Latina), Swiss Contact, STEP (Sustainable Tourism Eliminating Poverty, another UN project), SNV (Netherlands Development Organisation) PNUD, Visit Bolivia (part of the Ministry of Tourism) etc etc. The museum has been created and maintained by reputable international organizations.


So, between an anonymous sign with a too vague statement made by a tourist association and a more fleshed out analysis by anonymous Dr. Ken and Dr. Dave, I'll go with Dr.Ken and Dr. Dave for now. But as with all truths and theories, they can be changed with better, more accurate data.


You go with Dr Ken and Dave, whoever they may be. I go with a sign created by professionals, most likely the Finnish and Bolivian archaeologists who discover the mummies in 2003. A sign in a museum linked to well respected institutions.



Is that honest enough for you?


As you can see by my reply to you and 311again, no, it was not honest enough, but I have given you all the correct information now.

And if you want more information on these mummies, you can contact OGD (La Fundación para la Gestión del Destino Turístico), which are part of Visit Bolivia, you can find their email and contact numbers Here.


edit on 22-7-2017 by Agartha because: Spelling...

edit on 22-7-2017 by Agartha because: Added more info on the 1st pic I provided.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 08:32 PM
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Children's ages are determined by the fontanelle which is a soft membrane between bones, in the skull.



But doesn't the size of the skull also matter?

Wouldn't cranial size itself be another all-telling factor here? Although, we'd also have to consider that if the skull in question were to be measured, that we'd have to discount around 25% because of the larger volume of mass which had existed inside the skull of the youngster with the elongated head—to arrive at a closer approximation of the candidate's true age.




posted on Jul, 24 2017 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: Agartha

You go with Dr Ken and Dave, whoever they may be. I go with a sign


Yes. That sums it up.



So, in the 18 min presentation from Gaia (all their updates are now available for free online) we get some new anatomical and biological info. The cranial structure is very much different from that of Homo sapiens. Natalia Zaloznaja, MD/PhD and Head of Image Analysis at the Medical Institute MIBS points out that there are no Paranasal sinuses, and no real bone structure. She defines it as two cracks, and speculates that they may had an alternative way of breathing. Throw that in with the reduced chest cavity and therefore reduced lung capacity and what do we get? An entity that breathes less or a different mix of air?

Zaloznaja also mentions the lower jaw. It appears as a thin plate in between other cranial bones. They have no mandibular joints, with reduced or absence of muscles of mastication. Therefore they could not chew.

Dr. Mary Jesse, MD and Radiologist at the University of Colorado Denver, points out that the chest cavity on Albert and Josefina is anatomically symmetrical (and horizontal). So if we throw that in with less ribs, the absence of a bone of the lower arm and the difference in structure and number of vertebrae, a longer neck structure, completely different anatomical structure of hands and feet, no outer ear, total absence of body hair and hair follicles there is enough anatomical evidence to say it is a distinct different species. Dr. Konstantin Korotkov PhD, Professor at the University of St. Petersburg defines it as a distinct species with Human or Humanoid traits.

Against that we have a single, initial DNA test indicating this species as 99% or 100% Homo Sapiens.

Mario the tomb robber has been active in the media lately. After being called out by several people on the internet - notably by a certain Marcelo Larin who claims to have found the tomb complex - Mario responded and said Larin was totally wrong, and posted a photo of a cave opening with a sniper rifle across it. That stirred up some emotions and speculations of threat. Mario later retracted and said the photo was of a site he discovered 15 years ago.

He's been in the game a long time.



posted on Jul, 24 2017 @ 10:51 PM
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So, in the 18 min presentation from Gaia (all their updates are now available for free online) we get some new anatomical and biological info. The cranial structure is very much different from that of Homo sapiens. Natalia Zaloznaja, MD/PhD and Head of Image Analysis at the Medical Institute MIBS points out that there are no Paranasal sinuses, and no real bone structure. She defines it as two cracks, and speculates that they may had an alternative way of breathing. Throw that in with the reduced chest cavity and therefore reduced lung capacity and what do we get? An entity that breathes less or a different mix of air?



If the species had advanced medical knowledge—then the capabilities of their lungs could also have been much more powerful/productive/energetic per gram than ours currently are (maybe as much as 10 times or more) which means, of course, that they could have lived & breathed quite comfortably even with those small lung sizes.





posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 07:11 AM
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originally posted by: 311again


If the species had advanced medical knowledge—then the capabilities of their lungs could also have been much more powerful/productive/energetic per gram than ours currently are (maybe as much as 10 times or more) which means, of course, that they could have lived & breathed quite comfortably even with those small lung sizes.




Who knows? High intelligence is an option with it's comfortable brain size.

The respiratory system seems more stream lined, like a reptile's. The brain cavity also. I don't really want to play into this reptilian thing, but that's where many of the anatomical/biological observations made so far seem to lead. Complete absence of body hair and hair folicles in the dermis (according to José de la Cruz Rios Lopez) is another mystery. All mammals have hair (at one point or another in their life)... as well as Mammary glands.

So, more of a reptile with Humanoid traits, rather than a Human with reptile traits.

However, I'm not sure I personally want to declare a new species just yet.

There are so many unknown and confusing factors and circumstances in this story.

Why is there a hybrid specimen (Maria) that has some of these traits, but still seem more Human than anything?

Why did the preliminary brain tissue test of one of the small heads indicate its DNA as 99%/100% Homo sapiens - which contradicts the anatomical results?

There's a bigger picture here that escapes us, so I rather just follow the ongoing studies for now and wait for more DNA tests.

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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 09:58 PM
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I don't really want to play into this reptilian thing...


I agree, this whole 'reptilian' scenario as a name really does make one feel somewhat squeamish considering some of the wholesale rubbish that's touted on today's internet. I prefer the use of the term reptile-like.




Why did the preliminary brain tissue test of one of the small heads indicate its DNA as 99%/100% Homo sapiens - which contradicts the anatomical results?


Then there is also the other second larger species, according to the latest GAIA Documentary (subtitles can be changed into English), who was named Victoria, and was a larger hybrid that also had fingerprints! Fingerprints are almost exclusively & uniquely found on humans! Which prompted one of the researchers to remark that the existence of these fingerprints alone rules out the possibility that the mummy Victoria is a fake.




Mario the tomb robber has been active in the media lately. After being called out by several people on the internet


From a commentator on GAIA...




This 'Mario' they refer to in episode 5 is acutally a tour guide who does a little grave robbing on the side and sells his finds to rich tourists and on the black market, this is why there is no proper investigation, as to where the bodies were found or any other artifacts they were found with. The guy wants to have it all to himself so he can make $$$$ but he cant sell it without knowing what it is, hence why he is 'donating' specimens for scientists to look at. Unfortunatley by doing this he is making the whole discovery far less credible, who wants to put a team together to find this place?


Is this mostly or partially true?


Thanks again for everything.




posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 05:19 AM
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originally posted by: 311again
But doesn't the size of the skull also matter?

Wouldn't cranial size itself be another all-telling factor here? Although, we'd also have to consider that if the skull in question were to be measured, that we'd have to discount around 25% because of the larger volume of mass which had existed inside the skull of the youngster with the elongated head—to arrive at a closer approximation of the candidate's true age.


Teeth are actually the best indicators of age in children, but as we don't have that kind of information with this mummy we can only go but what we can see: the fontanelle.

Here is a good article about it: Morphological Age Estimation.

This baby's skull is also not bigger, just elongated, unless you can post evidence that it is.




originally posted by: Heliocentric
Yes. That sums it up.


Typical reply from a snake oil salesman promoting its own product: lots of derision and not even a simple attempt at debunking all the scientific facts I posted.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: 311again
Then there is also the other second larger species, according to the latest GAIA Documentary (subtitles can be changed into English), who was named Victoria, and was a larger hybrid that also had fingerprints! Fingerprints are almost exclusively & uniquely found on humans! Which prompted one of the researchers to remark that the existence of these fingerprints alone rules out the possibility that the mummy Victoria is a fake.


I believe all bigger primates, gorillas, bonobos, chimpanzees (and koala bears) have their own unique prints, and all primates have prints. The theory is that fingerprints improve grip on rough surfaces and increase sensitivity. In that sense many other animals have prints too.
Someone on the internet thought Maria's fingerprints looked more horizontal (than human prints) and compared it to the print of a gecko. I'm not so convinced but it's being tossed around on the net.






originally posted by: 311again
From a commentator on GAIA...

This 'Mario' they refer to in episode 5 is acutally a tour guide who does a little grave robbing on the side and sells his finds to rich tourists and on the black market, this is why there is no proper investigation, as to where the bodies were found or any other artifacts they were found with. The guy wants to have it all to himself so he can make $$$$ but he cant sell it without knowing what it is, hence why he is 'donating' specimens for scientists to look at. Unfortunatley by doing this he is making the whole discovery far less credible, who wants to put a team together to find this place?


Is this mostly or partially true?


Thanks again for everything.



I don't know who said that,

I'm not going to comment on what Mario officially does for a living (I don't know but I could find out). Here's the thing though. Since Thierry Jamin's hearing at the District Court of Nazca end June, we know that the Police know who Mario is.
So while Mario is pillaging the Tomb Complex, the Police do nothing.
To me, there are two likely explanations.
They are investigating Mario hoping he will lead them to other culprits.
or
Mario has friends in high positions that can protect him one way or another.

As long as the Ministry of Culture maintains that the dehydrated bodies Mario has presented are modern fakes, there is no legal ground to arrest him for pillaging Cultural Heritage.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: Agartha
Typical reply from a snake oil salesman promoting its own product: lots of derision and not even a simple attempt at debunking all the scientific facts I posted.



Whatever.

I don't think you've presented any scientific facts, I think you've presented a theory. It's not excluded that you're right, future research will determine that. However, at present I think that Dr. Ken's and Dr. Dave's observations are more precise and convincing than your blurry picture analysis of the fontanelle, that's all. I do have some experience of human anatomy myself and I will expand on the subject later when I see the mummies in real.

I don't sanction or agree with everything Tercer Milenio say in their documentaries/presentations on the Nazca bodies/mummies, but the theories and speculations are similar to what you find on this web site so let's just take it for what it is. The sequences that present the studies of the dehydrated bodies are TM's own original footage and well worth seeing.
Chapter 4 of the series "En Busca de los Dioses Perdidos" (in Spanish) was posted this Sunday, and this should be of special interest to you Agartha since TM deal with the Pata Patani mummies as well:

www.youtube.com...
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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 10:35 AM
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Dr. Ken's and Dr. Dave's observations are not more precise and convincing, than the case Agartha has written on this thread. Agartha has put many questions forward that have still not been answered or ignored, and that is down to belief, wanting this to be real.

Two weeks since this so called shambles of a news conference, and Gaia are still milking people out of their money, just to get a Little bit of pointless information.

You look at genuine things discovered around the world, be it something in space , or something from earth like a new species, or something else. Not once are you asked to pay to hear this news, but i can bet you all i have that if you are asked to pay for it, it is because it is fake, and the people in control want to get as much money as they can from the gullible because the truth finally comes out.

Everything I said about what would happen , has happened. The dodgy news conference, the not having any answers but still asking for people to give money. Absolutely nothing since the conference, just enough to keep the gullible interested.

And the reason i knew this, is because it follows the same patterns as previous hoaxes, with money the theme running through it.

Agartha has pretty much summed this mess of a case up. And the gullible people like 311again can say all they want. At the end of the day, you have fell for a hoax, and not a great one at that.

Well done Agartha, and thank you for your hard work on this thread



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

Dr. Ken's and Dr. Dave's observations are not more precise and convincing, than the case Agartha has written on this thread. Agartha has put many questions forward that have still not been answered or ignored, and that is down to belief, wanting this to be real.


That's just your personal opinion based on your personal conviction. I disagree.





originally posted by: Jay-morris
Agartha has pretty much summed this mess of a case up. And the gullible people like 311again can say all they want. At the end of the day, you have fell for a hoax, and not a great one at that.

Well done Agartha, and thank you for your hard work on this thread


I guess your work is done here then.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: Jay-morris

Dr. Ken's and Dr. Dave's observations are not more precise and convincing, than the case Agartha has written on this thread. Agartha has put many questions forward that have still not been answered or ignored, and that is down to belief, wanting this to be real.


That's just your personal opinion based on your personal conviction. I disagree.





originally posted by: Jay-morris
Agartha has pretty much summed this mess of a case up. And the gullible people like 311again can say all they want. At the end of the day, you have fell for a hoax, and not a great one at that.

Well done Agartha, and thank you for your hard work on this thread


I guess your work is done here then.


Yes it is! It is a joke that there are still people who are desperately trying to cling onto this case, when deep down, you know what the outcome is going to be.

Under proper professionals, this would have been done and dusted weeks ago, but think about all the money they would lose if they said straight away thst these were hoaxes. Better to string people along and try and get the most we can.

If this was real, if Gaia had any indication that this was real, then they would not be doing these crappy movie episodes showing so called "proffesionals" mixed in with known hoaxes, and telling us to pay to get more information.

This is not how major news or events are done. They only get dodgy people behind it, and ask for money when it is a fake or hoax!



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

Well done Agartha, and thank you for your hard work on this thread


Thank you!... I just really dislike fraudsters as they prey on the vulnerable, some sell fake mummies, some fake medical treatments, some sell a man in the sky that has never been seen. I think we have to protect those less aware from these greedy people.

Science always shows the truth and fake science is always debunked, sooner or later.





originally posted by: Heliocentric
Chapter 4 of the series "En Busca de los Dioses Perdidos" (in Spanish) was posted this Sunday, and this should be of special interest to you Agartha since TM deal with the Pata Patani mummies as well:

www.youtube.com...


I did watch it, as painful as it was to listen to all that nonsense, and once again they failed to explain why they think the baby mummy is not normal or human, they give no data, no measurements, nothing. The "neurologist" only said the baby mummy didn't have hydrocephalia, which it's clearly not the case: the skull has been manipulated, not enlarged.

And the video starts with a big lie, when they introduce Foerster as a 'biologist'. He is a tour operator and an undergraduate! -- LINK --



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 09:21 PM
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I'm not going to comment on what Mario officially does for a living (I don't know but I could find out).



Maybe it's best not to give out too much more info about Mario in case this extra info could in some way jeopardize Thierry Jamin & The Inkari Institute's further investigations into the mummies. I'm sorry that I asked about it actually—it was just that this commentator's knowledge about Mario seemed to differ somewhat from your own & I was just curious as to why it did...my fault.


On another note...on a popular Youtube video they mentioned that whilst Mario was somewhere in or around the tunnel complex area that Mario's compass also didn't work. Seems strange...


I appreciate every bit of info that you've graciously uploaded—unlike some...





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