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Strange Mummies From Nazca Studied By Medical Team

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posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: Winterpain
a reply to: Heliocentric

Hi Heliocentric,

Thanks for the update.

As for faking the heads, I would recommend taking a look at www.youtube.com...
Admittedly I would have expected the DNA to come back as canine or none at all. If it comes back as a human (or mostly human) I'm not sure if a human skull could be modified to work. Personally, I would love it to be something special, but am starting to have more and more doubts.


I may take a look at Paul's video later, not that I find them very interesting. Here's an interview with Paul Ronceros (interviewed by Radio Journalist Anthony Choy, in Spanish).

www.youtube.com...

In this interview, Ronceros discards all the scientists and specialists that have studied the mummmies as "ufologists" or "Jaime Maussan's buddies" and their work as unscientific. He tells more lies than I can count on the fingers of my five digit hands. He brings his three digit hand to the studio in order to show that it is a montage of two different bodies, but does not manage to show anything.
When Journalist Choy asks why Ronceros have changed his story, Ronceros starts talking about a certain Marco Barraza (some kind of UFO debunker with government affiliations: www.youtube.com...) that coaxed him into doing the videos. It makes no sense whatsoever, but at least Paul has an explanation for his contradictions.

For people who do not know Peru, let me explain the following. It is unfortunately one of the most corrupted countries in the world. Show me another country where a former president (Alberto Fujimori, President 1990-2000) is serving a 25 year prison sentence for Human Rights violations and corruption, and the three most recent Presidents (Alan Garcia, President 1985-90 and 2006-2011, Alejandro Toledo, President 2001-2006 and Ollanta Humala, President 2011-2016, are under investigation for corruption (www.economist.com...).

This corruption exists on all levels in the Peruvian society, from simple government employees to the top members of society. In regions such as Nazca, with lots of archaeological remains and where pillage is rampant, people say that the best huaceros (tomb robbers) are the people in the Ministry of Culture.

Thierry Jamin told me that when he testified before the District Court of Nazca (a five hour long interrogation), they showed him pictures of Mario the tomb robber and asked him to confirm his identity (which he refused to do). This means that the police knows who Mario is, but for the time being they're doing nothing.

When one of former President Alejandro Toledo's Peruvian houses was searched by the Police, they found an Inca funerary mask in gold. This object was not listed by the Ministry of Culture, which means that it is most probably an object plundered from a grave.
Thierry does not exclude the possibility that Mario was implicated in this affair (Mario has insinuated things without confirming anything), and that he is protected by people in key positions.

Paul Ronceros is an ex-convict, and while his friendship to Mario is now downplayed, it's entirely possible that they've had some shady business together in the past. The bottom line is, Paul Ronceros cannot be trusted.


I do not think anyone can be trusted when it comes to this. The whole thing is shady.




posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: 311again


In the two new 45 minute approx. documentaries on Gaia (in Spanish albeit you can change the subtitles to English) the specialists and doctors whose full names & qualifications appear regularly throughout the docs—are there for all to see and question.

For these particular men & women who undoubtedly risk their professional reputation and possible future employment because of some stupid so-called fraud or scam is simply unthinkable.


Don't forget the laboratories.

If this is a hoax, then not only is Mario the tomb robber, Paul Ronceros, Thierry Jamin and the Inkari Institute, Gaia TV, Jaime Maussan and Tercer Milenio, all the Peruvian MDs, all the Mexican and Russian scientists and me in on it, but also the laboratories that have produced the test results. It's in that case a huge conspiracy, with hundreds of thousands of dollars involved to pay actors, fake MRI scanners, hospitals, camera men, web masters and fake lab reports.

All of that just to fool the world with some puppets made of plaster and chicken bones?

By the way, I told Thierry Jamin about your theory. He said Mario the tomb robber thinks the same thing, that the tomb complex was some kind of workshop for genetic experiments.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: niv
First I want to thank you for your contribution to this thread.

I'm a little confused about what has actually been determined. Apparently there are a number of mummies discovered. There is one or more large ones (Maria) and a number of smaller bodies. All or most of the bodies have been carbon dated to roughly a couple thousand years ago.


I have presented the story as clearly as I can in this thread, but I understand that it is confusing.

Yes, there are a lot of mummies involved, and there's more to come!

There are four large mummies (Albert, Josefina, Maria and Victoria, that ranges from 50cm to 1.70m)that have been studied. There are also a number of small mummies (some we suspect may have been altered anatomically by the embalmers that prepared them), plus decapitated small heads, cut off three digit hands, mummified brains and hearts.
The C-14 dates ranges at present from 800 BP t0 1800 BP.


originally posted by: niv
The DNA test you refer to above is on one of the small bodies. Is this the small one with the eggs? It shows 99% homo sapien sapien which I take means it is entirely human (1% of uncertainty is not unusual with old samples). Maria and some of the smaller bodies have had samples taken but no results yet.


The DNA test I refer to is the one made by Paleo DNA Laboratory of Lakehead University, Canada.

They have tested brain tissue from the small head I posted an image of, and a bone sample of the three digit hand.



The results read as follow:



And:



This does however not mean that the whole genome of these remains have been sequenced (which takes ages), and one single test cannot be used as a base for a scientific reasoning.



originally posted by: niv
Is this correct? If so, why is Maussan talking about two new species when there are no results to back up the claims (I know he's a loose cannon but still that's a pretty aggressive stance to take).


Maussan considers that the small and mid-sized mummies (Albert, Josefina and Victoria) is one type of species, and that Maria (who anatomically seems to be a hybrid of Homo sapiens and whatever species the others may be) is something apart. You can drive that argument based on the anatomical studies, but you cannot prove it scientifically at present.

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posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 04:42 PM
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I like these...




Metallic implants in cranial lbone. It's not clear if the implants was in the cranium while the subjects were alive, or embedded in the bone postmortem, but based on the other implants and their use I would guess the former.
The members of the Inkari Institute are checking the implant shapes against known symbols in South American cultures. So far, no match...

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posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 05:32 PM
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Dr. José de la Cruz Rios Lopez, biologist and Dr. José de Jesus Zalce Benitez, Forensic Expert and Dr. Edson Salazar Vivanco, MD and Radiologist have studied the hypothetical eggs in Josefina's belly a bit closer.





From a radiological point of view, the images correspond with the calcium carbonate structure of egg shells. It cannot be stones, pine cones, Ben Wa balls or any other organic or nonorganic object with a different density.
The MRI scans show the 3D symmetry to correspond with oval egg shapes.
Dr. José de la Cruz Rios Lopez claims the oval signature corresponds with dinosaur or reptile eggs, not bird eggs. To be continued.
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posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: 311again


In the two new 45 minute approx. documentaries on Gaia (in Spanish albeit you can change the subtitles to English) the specialists and doctors whose full names & qualifications appear regularly throughout the docs—are there for all to see and question.

For these particular men & women who undoubtedly risk their professional reputation and possible future employment because of some stupid so-called fraud or scam is simply unthinkable.


Don't forget the laboratories.

If this is a hoax, then not only is Mario the tomb robber, Paul Ronceros, Thierry Jamin and the Inkari Institute, Gaia TV, Jaime Maussan and Tercer Milenio, all the Peruvian MDs, all the Mexican and Russian scientists and me in on it, but also the laboratories that have produced the test results. It's in that case a huge conspiracy, with hundreds of thousands of dollars involved to pay actors, fake MRI scanners, hospitals, camera men, web masters and fake lab reports.

All of that just to fool the world with some puppets made of plaster and chicken bones?

By the way, I told Thierry Jamin about your theory. He said Mario the tomb robber thinks the same thing, that the tomb complex was some kind of workshop for genetic experiments.



Excellent work Heliocentric...we really are privileged to be witnessing the unfolding of the Nazca mummies mysteries, and the rebutting of the criticism by the happy-go-lucky naysayers so eloquently.


Yes—the laboratories, Thierry Jamin and the Inkari Institute, Gaia TV etc all could face potential future bankruptcy with them being linked to such an unseemly "fake mummies" scam.


I know that this isn't ethically the right thing to do, but couldn't perhaps Mario the tomb robber be given some sort of special pardon by the Peruvian government on the condition of his disclosure of the whereabouts of the mummies' subterranean tomb complex, so that professionally competent archaeologists, such as yourself, could carefully supervise and uncover the incalculably important contents thereof. Considering the probable wide-ranging scope that this complex may actually hold—an invaluable opportunity may exist to help further mankind's knowledge (perhaps vastly) of this world/universe. The importance of this opportunity cannot be brushed aside lightly especially if in future generations they happen to look back upon this pivotal episode as an incredibly sad chance that could have bettered the human condition.



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posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:57 PM
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Helo , thank you for the updates. This may take a while.
I'm not sold yet , but I am a still open to whatever comes.



( Us aliens are all thumbs. )

VF



posted on Jul, 14 2017 @ 05:22 AM
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originally posted by: 311again

Yes—the laboratories, Thierry Jamin and the Inkari Institute, Gaia TV etc all could face potential future bankruptcy with them being linked to such an unseemly "fake mummies" scam.


Please elaborate why they would go bankrupt.

How exactly do they earn their money?



posted on Jul, 14 2017 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: 311again

Yes—the laboratories, Thierry Jamin and the Inkari Institute, Gaia TV etc all could face potential future bankruptcy with them being linked to such an unseemly "fake mummies" scam.


Please elaborate why they would go bankrupt.

How exactly do they earn their money?


Hi moebius,

Any business etc would be unceremoniously dropped like a hot potato if it became generally known that they (the business etc) had scammed the general public in some way.

I most sincerely agree with the OP from a few pages back when he'd said that the useless back & forth debating of almost any irrelevant detail—only slows any progress, however slight that might be.

As I've posted previously:

"...Considering the probable wide-ranging scope that this complex may actually hold—an invaluable opportunity may exist to help further mankind's knowledge (perhaps vastly) of this world/universe. The importance of this opportunity cannot be brushed aside lightly especially if in future generations they happen to look back upon this pivotal episode as an incredibly sad chance that could have bettered the human condition."

We are losing valuable time with unnecessary details when perhaps some significant discovery/discoveries could be otherwise made.

I agree & understand that some amount of skepticism should be had at all times, but, however, if this continuous & unending skepticism happens to get in the way of any progress, no matter how little that progress may be—then we ourselves should be held accountable to our future generations for any such inexcusable delays.

I don't want to appear as being overly-dramatic about this, but the sheer importance of these discoveries should not be overlooked because of our own personal likes or dislikes for certain peoples.

Either way, thanks for your input.

It would probably be best if we could come up with any suggestions of perhaps how & why these beings were here in the first place, along with the medical or otherwise reason for the existence of these strange metal plates that were somehow surgically inserted into their skeletal framework in those relatively primitive times. Questions like: how does it appear that this metal is so perfectly fused into the bones to the point as if they looked like they were actually part of the real natural bones themselves.

The back & forth questions and answers related specifically around matters such as these—might somehow unearth some much-needed valuable answers.





posted on Jul, 15 2017 @ 04:00 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris
I do not think anyone can be trusted when it comes to this. The whole thing is shady.


I agree: we have the Inkari institute with dodgy archaelogists without licence, we have dodgy doctors such as Benitez who has promoted hoaxes before, Maussan with his past frauds etc.

Add to that the xrays and scans done with such outdated technology, they are not very clear, but clear enough to see the anatomical impossibilities in them (for some of us who actually have some medical skills): we have 'beings' that are completely assimetric, that don't seem to have enough space for vital organs inside and that have bones connecting in such way they wouldn't be able to turn, move or walk. And then we have a three fingered hand with 5 metacarpals (like ours) so their hands are made with the extra phalanges that we would usually see in the missing two fingers. Why do they have 5 metacarpals? This makes no evolutionary sense. What makes more sense is cutting two fingers and adding those phalanges to the three remaining fingers to make them long. I could go on....

Then we have DNA results that show the remains to be human. And we have Paul Ronceros (the famous Krawix999) who first said in a video the small mummies and big three fingered hands to be alien, and then in another video (at a later date) he said that they were put together (exactly what the Peruvian Government said).

It's clear to see why National Geographic wanted nothing to do with this in the end.

Anybody with basic anatomical knowledge can see this is a hoax, made 'con fines de lucro' (profit for those involved, just how Maussan and his chums have made for years).

But, even though his archaelogists are not licenced, I have to admit I am now not including Thierry with the rest of the snake oil salesmen, as he pulled out from this farce after the DNA results. I will just wait and see what he will say about it and then make up my own conclusions about him too.



posted on Jul, 15 2017 @ 04:36 AM
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originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: Jay-morris
I do not think anyone can be trusted when it comes to this. The whole thing is shady.


I agree: we have the Inkari institute with dodgy archaelogists without licence, we have dodgy doctors such as Benitez who has promoted hoaxes before, Maussan with his past frauds etc.

Add to that the xrays and scans done with such outdated technology, they are not very clear, but clear enough to see the anatomical impossibilities in them (for some of us who actually have some medical skills): we have 'beings' that are completely assimetric, that don't seem to have enough space for vital organs inside and that have bones connecting in such way they wouldn't be able to turn, move or walk. And then we have a three fingered hand with 5 metacarpals (like ours) so their hands are made with the extra phalanges that we would usually see in the missing two fingers. Why do they have 5 metacarpals? This makes no evolutionary sense. What makes more sense is cutting two fingers and adding those phalanges to the three remaining fingers to make them long. I could go on....

Then we have DNA results that show the remains to be human. And we have Paul Ronceros (the famous Krawix999) who first said in a video the small mummies and big three fingered hands to be alien, and then in another video (at a later date) he said that they were put together (exactly what the Peruvian Government said).

It's clear to see why National Geographic wanted nothing to do with this in the end.

Anybody with basic anatomical knowledge can see this is a hoax, made 'con fines de lucro' (profit for those involved, just how Maussan and his chums have made for years).

But, even though his archaelogists are not licenced, I have to admit I am now not including Thierry with the rest of the snake oil salesmen, as he pulled out from this farce after the DNA results. I will just wait and see what he will say about it and then make up my own conclusions about him too.



I agree 100% This is a hoax! Anyone with half a brain should be able to see this now, but people want to cling onto the fact that it could be real



posted on Jul, 15 2017 @ 05:23 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris
I agree 100% This is a hoax! Anyone with half a brain should be able to see this now, but people want to cling onto the fact that it could be real


I actually would love them to be true, I would love it if we really discover proof of ancient alien visitors (the reason why I follow all these stories), but then I examine the evidence with science and objective eyes. The problem with some is that, without a basic scientific/medical background, you cannot analyze what's presented objectively.



posted on Jul, 15 2017 @ 06:23 AM
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I would once again want to recommend Investigative Radio Journalist Amthony Choy, who has done a great job interviewing many of the people directly involved (who have actually seen, touched or studied the mummified bodies).

Here's his three part interview series (in Spanish). I would particularly recommend part 2, where Dr. Salazar Vivanco and Dr. Zalce Benitez once again explain in detail why the mummies are authentic, and why they are anatomically and medically so different:

www.youtube.com...

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I also want to throw in this because it's funny. A day before the press conference (07/10), Jaime Maussan and Dr. José de Jesús Zalce Benítez debate an Elsa Tomasto, Bioarchaeologist and Anthropologist. Tomasto does not really contribute with much, she just plays off her arrogant conviction that all this is fake somehow. She does not really confront Dr. Zalce Benitez on the evidence, but when he confirms having MRI scans to prove his point, she says that she'll eat a cockroach with mayonnaise if it's true (in Spanish).
I suppose she hasn't eaten that cockroach yet, and perhaps never will. But arrogance sure make people say dum things.

www.youtube.com...

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posted on Jul, 15 2017 @ 06:44 AM
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originally posted by: 311again

I know that this isn't ethically the right thing to do, but couldn't perhaps Mario the tomb robber be given some sort of special pardon by the Peruvian government on the condition of his disclosure of the whereabouts of the mummies' subterranean tomb complex, so that professionally competent archaeologists, such as yourself, could carefully supervise and uncover the incalculably important contents thereof.


In the sense that Mario the tomb robber (who's not some small town bandit but well educated, both in archaeology and general) may be of a certain family or position that protects him, he's perhaps already 'pardoned'.
It's a hint, not a fact. We'll have to wait and see about it.

I'm in no way qualified to investigate the tomb complex. My domain was Mesolithic Levantine Archaeology.

As soon as the Peruvian Authorities starts to take this seriously, the people that have studied the mummified bodies so far will be pushed aside, and the people who now claim it to be a hoax will take over. Sad but probably true.



posted on Jul, 15 2017 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: 311again

I know that this isn't ethically the right thing to do, but couldn't perhaps Mario the tomb robber be given some sort of special pardon by the Peruvian government on the condition of his disclosure of the whereabouts of the mummies' subterranean tomb complex, so that professionally competent archaeologists, such as yourself, could carefully supervise and uncover the incalculably important contents thereof.


In the sense that Mario the tomb robber (who's not some small town bandit but well educated, both in archaeology and general) may be of a certain family or position that protects him, he's perhaps already 'pardoned'.
It's a hint, not a fact. We'll have to wait and see about it.

I'm in no way qualified to investigate the tomb complex. My domain was Mesolithic Levantine Archaeology.

As soon as the Peruvian Authorities starts to take this seriously, the people that have studied the mummified bodies so far will be pushed aside, and the people who now claim it to be a hoax will take over. Sad but probably true.



If this was in the hands of respected professionals, we would have got to the bottom of this already. The way this has been handled is a joke, and the way Gaia has handled this is a joke.

For Gaia, it is obvious that this is about getting as many new members as they can through this story.

I said before, and no surprises that i was right that the press conference, they will either sat it is a hoax, or they will milk It, and say they do not have answers yet.

This is going the same way as mist hoaxes. Surely that tells you something.

I will say Now, that this is 100% a hoax. No questions!



posted on Jul, 15 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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In the sense that Mario the tomb robber (who's not some small town bandit but well educated, both in archaeology and general) may be of a certain family or position that protects him, he's perhaps already 'pardoned'. It's a hint, not a fact. We'll have to wait and see about it.


Well, here I was actually under the impression that Mario the tomb robber WAS actually some small time bandito who had somehow inadvertently stumbled upon one of the greatest archaeological discoveries of all time. But, as it turns out, he seems to be some well-heeled aristocrat that gets chauffeur-driven out to the site—only to peer into a telescope at the proceedings some kilometres away of the diggings whilst munching on chocolate cake and lazily sipping on expensive imported champagne in air conitioned comfort...only joking



Onto something more serious...Mario the tomb robber was touting that there exists a subterranean tomb complex that stretches on for several hundred metres. How reliable do you think he might be in this regard?





originally posted by: 311again


In the two new 45 minute approx. documentaries on Gaia (in Spanish albeit you can change the subtitles to English) the specialists and doctors whose full names & qualifications appear regularly throughout the docs—are there for all to see and question.

For these particular men & women who undoubtedly risk their professional reputation and possible future employment because of some stupid so-called fraud or scam is simply unthinkable.



Don't forget the laboratories.

If this is a hoax, then not only is Mario the tomb robber, Paul Ronceros, Thierry Jamin and the Inkari Institute, Gaia TV, Jaime Maussan and Tercer Milenio, all the Peruvian MDs, all the Mexican and Russian scientists and me in on it, but also the laboratories that have produced the test results. It's in that case a huge conspiracy, with hundreds of thousands of dollars involved to pay actors, fake MRI scanners, hospitals, camera men, web masters and fake lab reports.

All of that just to fool the world with some puppets made of plaster and chicken bones?

By the way, I told Thierry Jamin about your theory. He said Mario the tomb robber thinks the same thing, that the tomb complex was some kind of workshop for genetic experiments.



Could you elaborate on the "workshop for genetic experiments" part? Was there perhaps some type of medical/technical equipment that was uncovered in these tombs that leads you to believe that it was something like genetic manipulation?

Thanks very much for all of your updates.




posted on Jul, 16 2017 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: Agartha


Then we have DNA results that show the remains to be human. And we have Paul Ronceros (the famous Krawix999) who first said in a video the small mummies and big three fingered hands to be alien, and then in another video (at a later date) he said that they were put together (exactly what the Peruvian Government said).



Why don't you say exactly what the Peruvian Government said? After having 'studied' the remains (belonging to Paul Ronceros) one week, they decided the material is MODERN and composed of ANIMAL bones.

How did the Peruvian Ministry of Culture obtain C-14 and DNA testing in one week?

We have scientific data telling us that the material studied by a number of qualified scientists is pre-Columbean, and one test indicates it as Homo Sapiens.

It's either five international laboratories (with state of the art equipment) or the Peruvian Ministry of Culture (who does not even have the facilities or equipment to do an equivalent DNA and C-14 testing) that is right, who would you believe?

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posted on Jul, 16 2017 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: 311again
a reply to: Heliocentric

Onto something more serious...Mario the tomb robber was touting that there exists a subterranean tomb complex that stretches on for several hundred metres. How reliable do you think he might be in this regard?

Could you elaborate on the "workshop for genetic experiments" part? Was there perhaps some type of medical/technical equipment that was uncovered in these tombs that leads you to believe that it was something like genetic manipulation?




It's hard to say how reliable Mario is.

I'd say he'll lie or disinform in order to protect himself, but I don't see why he would lie about the tomb complex.

His stories are totally crazy... but the stuff he brings out of the complex confirm his statements.

He's still visiting the tomb complex regularly and takes whatever he thinks will pay. He told Thierry Jamin recently that he will exploit the complex this year out and then share the location with him. We'll just have to see about that.

In any case, now we're waiting for more stuff Mario has told us about. There are small, mummified winged creatures (or with membrane-like things on the back) in the tomb, and some with horns or outgrowths on their heads.
And of course, there's the giant skull 1.20m/4 feet tall that sticks out of a wall. Mario believes the whole body (If it's a humanoid skull - my theory being that it's some type of megafauna animal - according to human proportions it should be around 9.5m/31 feet tall) could be there and has asked Jamin for an endoscopic camera to probe the wall.
Then there's the beings that apparently live down there... once again if we're to believe Mario.

The genetic experiment theory is something Mario said, his collected impression of what the tomb complex could have been about once upon a time I guess. There are some metallic objects among the mummified remains that could possibly have some type of function, but we're clueless as to what.
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posted on Jul, 16 2017 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric
Why don't you say exactly what the Peruvian Government said? After having 'studied' the remains (belonging to Paul Ronceros) one week, they decided the material is MODERN and composed of ANIMAL bones.



Actually that's not correct. The Peruvian Government has analyzed the xrays we can all see online and have said the mummies are a 'composite of human remains that have been tampered' . Here is the Director of the Ministry of the Culture of Nazca saying so.. He says so from 1:30 minutes. It's on a facebook page by journalist Cesar Gerardo Cayo Espino.

What the Peruvian government said has been confirmed by the DNA results which showed parts of the mummies are indeed humans.

The archaeologist Alberto Alfredo Urbano Jaciento, in charge of monitoring all archaeological sites for Nasca, has released a report (number 010-2017 - Arglo OCN-DDC-Ica/MC 22 March 2017) saying that it has not been possible to determine the location where the mummies were found and it has not been possible to determine any extraterrestrial or even real archaelogical nature.

As said by the Director of the Ministry of Nazca (in the video above) the people involved with this mummies are being investigated by the Ministry of Culture for 'Offenses against archaelogical heritage', Case File 143-2017. LINK



We have scientific data telling us that the material studied by a number of qualified scientists is pre-Columbean, and one test indicates it as Homo Sapiens.


LOL really? A composite of human remains from Pre-Columbian times arranged in such way to look 'alien' will still indicate it is Homo Sapiens from Pre-Columbian era. Look at that ridiculous three fingered hands: it's made with real human fingers, tampered in such way to make five fingers into three (and such a bad job, made by somebody with no anatomical knowledge at all, my children could have done it better).



It's either five international laboratories (with state of the art equipment) or the Peruvian Ministry of Culture (who does not even have the facilities or equipment to do an equivalent DNA and C-14 testing) that is right, who would you believe?


I believe the Director of the Ministry of the Culture of Nazca, who is a real archaelogist (see video above).
I also believe: Rodolfo Salas Gismondi PhD (who works at the Museum of Natural History in Lima, Paleontology Department and it is an Investigator for the American Museum of Natural History in NY) and his colleagues at the Paleontology Department, Nahuel Monteblanco, Pedro Vargas Nalvarte, Ivan Meza et al. LINK

And I actually believe my own anatomical knowledge and the knowledge of the doctors I work with, who laughed when I showed them the xrays. And laughed even more when I explained how Dr Benitez explained how they walked with such impossible anatomies, with small lengthwise movements, backward and forward only..... it would be funny if it wasn't real and people believed his lies.


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posted on Jul, 16 2017 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: Heliocentric
Why don't you say exactly what the Peruvian Government said? After having 'studied' the remains (belonging to Paul Ronceros) one week, they decided the material is MODERN and composed of ANIMAL bones.



Actually that's not correct. The Peruvian Government has analyzed the xrays we can all see online and have said the mummies are a 'composite of human remains that have been tampered' . Here is the Director of the Ministry of the Culture of Nazca saying so.. He says so from 1:30 minutes. It's on a facebook page by journalist Cesar Gerardo Cayo Espino.

What the Peruvian government said has been confirmed by the DNA results which showed parts of the mummies are indeed humans.

The archaeologist Alberto Alfredo Urbano Jaciento, in charge of monitoring all archaeological sites for Nasca, has released a report (number 010-2017 - Arglo OCN-DDC-Ica/MC 22 March 2017) saying that it has not been possible to determine the location where the mummies were found and it has not been possible to determine any extraterrestrial or even real archaelogical nature.

As said by the Director of the Ministry of Nazca (in the video above) the people involved with this mummies are being investigated by the Ministry of Culture for 'Offenses against archaelogical heritage', Case File 143-2017. LINK



We have scientific data telling us that the material studied by a number of qualified scientists is pre-Columbean, and one test indicates it as Homo Sapiens.


LOL really? A composite of human remains from Pre-Columbian times arranged in such way to look 'alien' will still indicate it is Homo Sapiens from Pre-Columbian era. Look at that ridiculous three fingered hands: it's made with real human fingers, tampered in such way to make five fingers into three (and such a bad job, made by somebody with no anatomical knowledge at all, my children could have done it better).



It's either five international laboratories (with state of the art equipment) or the Peruvian Ministry of Culture (who does not even have the facilities or equipment to do an equivalent DNA and C-14 testing) that is right, who would you believe?


I believe the Director of the Ministry of the Culture of Nazca, who is a real archaelogist (see video above).
I also believe: Rodolfo Salas Gismondi PhD (who works at the Museum of Natural History in Lima, Paleontology Department and it is an Investigator for the American Museum of Natural History in NY) and his colleagues at the Paleontology Department, Nahuel Monteblanco, Pedro Vargas Nalvarte, Ivan Meza et al. LINK

And I actually believe my own anatomical knowledge and the knowledge of the doctors I work with, who laughed when I showed them the xrays. And laughed even more when I explained how Dr Benitez explained how they walked with such impossible anatomies, with small lengthwise movements, backward and forward only..... it would be funny if it wasn't real and people believed his lies.



Could not have said it better myself!




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