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Strange Mummies From Nazca Studied By Medical Team

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posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 01:14 PM
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Well it's only been a day, I am fairly sure he will be back. At least I hope so!

Been waiting a long for for any sort of proofs.. I can be a patient a bit longer I guess. : )




posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: Winterpain
Do we not have any Spanish speakers who could watch the conference?



I do and I am watching it, 1 hour and 5 minutes so far.... and I still have another hour. I've been jotting down main bits (and my thoughts) whilst watching and this is what I have so far:

-Terrible sound!

- Thierry wasn’t there… what a surprise.

-40 minutes into it and nothing has been said, just thanking Thierry and rejecting all accusations of fraud.

- They said that if they have been modified, they will have to find out whether it’s modern or if it was done (perhaps) by the Incas. They also criticised the Peruvian government for saying it’s not national heritage and they are modern crafts.

- Evidence, preliminary evidence, nothing conclusive yet……. Why a press conference? I don’t know.. so this is the 'evidence' they have:

- They don’t know where the mummies were found. They have some pictures they believe that’s the place, but no evidence.

- All the xrays we have already seen online.

- Big secret revelation left for the conference: apparently, and he made sure it was understood it is only apparently, nothing confirmed yet, together with mum they have a baby, with the same three fingers…. Went on complaining about people questioning the baby is a hoax. The ‘expert’ said the baby has 5 metacarpals and 5 metatarsals but three fingers (???). And he said it has not been manipulated, that it’s impossible. (LOL). But he is very quick to say that: if there’s been any manipulation, it was probably done 1500-1700 years ago. So: first a manipulation was not detected and was impossible…. Then if there is a manipulation, it’s ancient.. so which is it?

-The same ‘expert’ also said both skulls are larger than normal, but of course no information on its size or volume. And of course he said it has some human traits but it’s not a human.

I will carry on watching now.



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: Winterpain
Do we not have any Spanish speakers who could watch the conference?



I do and I am watching it, 1 hour and 5 minutes so far.... and I still have another hour. I've been jotting down main bits (and my thoughts) whilst watching and this is what I have so far:

-Terrible sound!

- Thierry wasn’t there… what a surprise.

-40 minutes into it and nothing has been said, just thanking Thierry and rejecting all accusations of fraud.

- They said that if they have been modified, they will have to find out whether it’s modern or if it was done (perhaps) by the Incas. They also criticised the Peruvian government for saying it’s not national heritage and they are modern crafts.

- Evidence, preliminary evidence, nothing conclusive yet……. Why a press conference? I don’t know.. so this is the 'evidence' they have:

- They don’t know where the mummies were found. They have some pictures they believe that’s the place, but no evidence.

- All the xrays we have already seen online.

- Big secret revelation left for the conference: apparently, and he made sure it was understood it is only apparently, nothing confirmed yet, together with mum they have a baby, with the same three fingers…. Went on complaining about people questioning the baby is a hoax. The ‘expert’ said the baby has 5 metacarpals and 5 metatarsals but three fingers (???). And he said it has not been manipulated, that it’s impossible. (LOL). But he is very quick to say that: if there’s been any manipulation, it was probably done 1500-1700 years ago. So: first a manipulation was not detected and was impossible…. Then if there is a manipulation, it’s ancient.. so which is it?

-The same ‘expert’ also said both skulls are larger than normal, but of course no information on its size or volume. And of course he said it has some human traits but it’s not a human.

I will carry on watching now.


Cheers for keeping us updated. Just as a thought, it sounds like nothing. And the sound called experts sound completely clueless too.

Like i said, they will milk this for as long as they can. Off course they are making money from this too!



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: Agartha

Hey Agartha,

Thank you for assisting with this! Much appreciated.
I have been very interested in what was said, and I really appreciate your time. No idea what would have been done before the internet. Amazing we way for no bodies to ask for assistance for something like translation services, and close langue gaps that I would never be able to do myself.

/cheers to you,
~Winter



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris
a reply to: Winterpain

Hi guys, and you are both welcome. I must admit I have just wasted two hours of my life (47 minutes left and I don't know if I can continue! lol). I agree with you Jay: lots of smoke here, but no fire. And I agree with you Winter: the internet is such an amazing tool, how we can connect with one another despite geographical differences (and time and language)

Here are my next set of notes:

From 1 hr 5 minutes.

- Complaining again about the Peruvian government who have said they are not alien mummies but ‘modern animals covered with skin, a fusion of modern organic parts’. Went on about the government coming to these conclusions without a Carbon 14 test.

- Jaime called the small mummies ‘reptilian’ like (because of the eggs in one of them).

-So far all they have done and have results for is the Carbon 14 test which showed the ages of the organic parts and they all showed different ages, some with thousands of years difference. But Jaime was quick to give his theory on why they were different: he said that if these beings are from another planet/galaxy the we couldn’t test them like we test terrestrial beings. LOL again.

- DNA tests: no results yet (and once again, why have a press conference?)

- Well, at 1 hr 17 min one of them (Dr something) said that the space between the leg bones and the bones that do not align each other means they have been put together, and that they may well be from different species or bodies. They have decided this mummy is a not a real being and will not be testing it any longer. The Dr also said what we have been saying: his anatomy is not functional, he could have never been able to walk or move. This is the conclusion on that mummy only (at 1:17).

- He said the big hand is real and that each phalange fits the others perfectly and that they are in harmony to be (have been) functional. He said the xray showed it was not put together but it belongs to one being. It’s all preliminary and need more studies, but he suggested these beings did not need an opposable thumb as the fingers were so long they could wrap them around objects (I think he has watched too many scifi movies).

- The foranem magnum is square (ours is oval).... yep, square.

-Albert: he confirms it’s not man made as he can see the tendon going down from the arm to the phalange (we can’t see that in the pictures provided). Very small mandible that wouldn’t allow for chewing, but would allow swallowing. The pelvis (minus missing pubis) shows it’s not like humans, but has a linear link with the leg bones allowing only a small lengthwise movement (backward/forward only). No vertebrae in the neck, but ‘bearings like’ structures. Horizontal ribs. According to this ‘Dr’ the being was functional…. Funny how the doctors I work with disagree with him completely (after seeing the xrays online). Only someone with no anatomical knowledge could believe what he says, for example the foot: the leg bones connect directly to the tarsals…… I’d love to see that being walk!

-… and on and on about the same xrays we can see online……. With a ridiculous explanation by the ‘Dr’. Nothing new. Nothing that would change the history of mankind.

-And no DNA….

- 2 hours and so far: nothing….



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 04:01 PM
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SOME FACTS:

The so called " Press Conference" was a complete fiasco as expected.
Less than 20 people and a few paid reporters.
There is a divorce between Thierry Jamin and Maussan / Gaia, they dissolved
their association before the press conference. As expected too.
Nobody en Peru paid attention to this charade, as expected.
The peruvian authorities announced legal actions against the mexicans
who presented this press conference for committing a fraud using altered
mummies that are national heritage.

ALL THESE ARE FACTS

If you want to know more about this " Press Conference " read the report by
peruvian researcher Marco Barraza who made an accurate chronicle of what
was said and done regarding this case. The article is in Facebook and I think
has a translation function available. I recommend it.

www.facebook.com...#



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: free_spirit
The so called " Press Conference" was a complete fiasco as expected.


Absolutely! 2 hours and a half of absolutely nothing. But that's what I expected from Jaime Maussan.



www.facebook.com...#


Thank you for telling us about this! One of the 'journalists' there asked why Thierry didn't attend and why he wrote on his facebook page he was about to give his own press conference...... now, thanks to what you posted, it's all clear.

What can I say: many of us suspected they were a group of snake oil salesmen, and we were correct.



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: Agartha

Well, that is it for me. This is 100% a hoax, and I am not surprised the OP from this thread done a runner. When are people going to learn?

Yes, we would all want something like this to be real. I mean, it would change the world, hopefully for the better, but money talks, and cases like this just destroy ufology.

And Jaime Maussan! How many hoaxes does he have to be involved in before people see him for what he is?



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 05:18 PM
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Best video I've seen breaking down how they believed these are made. I can't say 100% this is how it was done, but sure does have a lot of similarities..

www.youtube.com...

~Winter



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: Agartha

Thank You Agartha, Jay-Morris, Free_Spirit, & Winterpain! I raced home from work to see if anything had busted loose and feel quite the fool. I had hoped for DNA results because that would have at least been conclusive of rock, animal or mineral altho I was hoping for at least human.

Maybe we can at least get this thread pinned so Newer members can more quickly ascertain why Thierry Jamin and Jaime Maussan have no credibility. It would at this point be a service to them.



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 09:10 PM
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Hello and sorry for my late report from Lima and the press conference the 11th. I have spent most of my time talking to all the people involved in this project, basically the only people I did not talk to was Jaime Maussan and Dr. Konstantin Korotkov with his team of scientists, who were in Cusco taking more samples but left Peru two days before the press conference for unknown reasons (the Scientific Academy of Russia is now seriously involved in the studies of the mummies - and it is probable that much of the future studies and results will come from the University of St Petersburg).

When I arrived in Lima, a heated discussion had just taken place between Jaime Maussan and Thierry Jamin. Basically this difference in opinion concerned the DNA results and how to proceed with it. Maussan has rather aggressively pursued the idea that the scientific research so far shows that two species of unknown hominids have been discovered, and he considers them extraterrestial. It is perhaps so, but Thierry Jamin and the Inkari Institute do not consider this established scientifically. The intial DNA results are inconclusive, while one test indicate that one of the small heads and a three digit hand are 99% Homo sapiens, or possibly 100%. With this in mind, the extraterrestial hypothesis is at best problematic. Maussan was however determined to announce two new species and would not budge.



Maussan has also at several occasions publicly attacked the Peruvian Ministry of Culture and their unprofessional stance towards the discovery in the last week, and while he is right in doing so, the Inkari Institute works with and largely depends on the Ministry's goodwill, which demands some diplomacy and tact. Thierry Jamin therefore decided not to attend the press conference (which he had himself initiated) in protest. The Inkari Institute was represented only by Jose Martin Casafranca, vice-President of the Institute (who I met for the first time and impressed me with his knowledge of various Inca settlements). The material presented during the press conference did not include the research by Dr. Korotkov and the Inkari Institute, only the work made by Maussan's team (Dr. José de Jesus Zalce Benitez, Forensic Expert, and Dr. José de la Cruz Rios Lopez, Biologist) together with Dr. Salazar Vivanco (who later joined the Inkari Institute).

Thierry Jamin quickly organized an alternative press conference – transmitted by the French tv channel Nuréa TV – which I also participated in. You will find this press conference here (in French):

www.youtube.com...

I therefore will not present documentation from Maussan's team (for which I hold the deepest respect, and I believe our differences with Maussan will be quickly resolved. I underline that Maussan and his team have not presented any faulty information, he's IMO simply a bit rash in his conclusions), neither from Dr. Korotkov's team, only the material put together by the Inkari Institute.You will find a fact sheet of information on the Mummies, the lab reports (C-14 and DNA analysis) so far and a presentation video by the Inkari Institute (in English, Spanish or French) here:

www.the-alien-project.com...

Maussan and his team did however present some interesting information. We now know that most (if not all) the mummies have their internal organs preserved in dehydrated and retracted form, which technically makes them dehydrated bodies and not mummies. This is a gold mine for researchers, since a lot more can be learned from the bodies. The naturally mummified bodies have also been preserved in a remarkable state, as shown by Dr. Rios Lopez, and it could be that there does not exist any 1800 years old mummies in the world as well preserved as Maria - apart from Ötzi the Iceman. The preservation process of the mummies is so far unknown, but the powdery clay covering the bodies have been analyzed. It's a Diatomaceous Earth, consisting of Silicium, Magnesium, Calcium, Sodium Iron and other minerals. It's a naturally occurring clay that has been used by man from prehistoric times, with naturally antiseptic qualities. Dr. Zalce Benitez made an impressive presentation on the anatomical aspects of the bodies, and categorically excluded that Albert, Josefina, Maria and Victoria have been altered in any way. Maussan also presented two new mummies, Urpus and Wawita.







I don't know much about Urpus, but Thierry told me that Wawita is a frail (less well preserved) bulb-head infant body with similar anatomical aspects as the other mummies.
I will return to various information from the press conference and talks with the specialists after I get a good night's sleep.

So, almost 100% human, according to one laboratory. For those who still claim fake, first of all it's easy to say, but I'd say close to impossible to prove. During all the studies and medical analysis that has taken place since November 2016 to date, no whatsoever sign of intervention or altering have been found on the skin, tissue, joints, ligaments or bone on any of the mummies studied by any of the participants, and they've been looking for it. How do you take an authentic pre-Columbian mummy, re-arrange the bones - hand-crafted and fitted piece by piece with a symmetry that equals what nature will produce - without disturbing the ligaments, tissue and skin? How do you then strap it together and make it hold without using wire, clamps, glue or any known chemical product or procedure?

And as I've stated in the past, if you have a set of authentic pre-Columbian mummies you don't need to change them into aliens in order to make money. They are worth a lot of money as they are. WHY anyone would even do such a thing, and go through this drama circus of inventing fake mummies, fake experts, fake settings and fake everything, lie or distort the truth in order to obtain what? I haven't made a penny on this thing, Thierry Jamin hasn't either. The ONLY one that has anything to gain in this thing is Mario (and Jaime Maussan), and so far no one has proved Mario's mummies are fake or altered, period.

And, while you may make the simple assumption that the three digit hand has had fingers cut off and bones added, how do you explain the small head, that one laboratory claims to be Homo sapiens? At this point, the initial DNA analysis and the anatomical analysis is conflicting and contradictive.



How do you explain the metal implants, done with expert craftsmanship and for what reason? That in itself should prove that whatever is going on here is much more complicated than a simple hoax.

edit on 12-7-2017 by Heliocentric because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: Heliocentric

Hi Heliocentric,

Thanks for the update.

As for faking the heads, I would recommend taking a look at www.youtube.com...
Admittedly I would have expected the DNA to come back as canine or none at all. If it comes back as a human (or mostly human) I'm not sure if a human skull could be modified to work. Personally, I would love it to be something special, but am starting to have more and more doubts.

One good thing about the Scientific Academy of Russia getting involved more deeply is a secondary set of test/evaluations. If these are real they will need all the backing they can get to bring attention to it as authentic.

Time will tell, if it's real that's fantastic, if not it's not like this is the first fake ever to hit the community. No huge loss.

Best wishes,
~Winter
edit on 12-7-2017 by Winterpain because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 01:34 AM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric
How do you explain the metal implants, done with expert craftsmanship and for what reason? That in itself should prove that whatever is going on here is much more complicated than a simple hoax.



In the two new 45 minute approx. documentaries on Gaia (in Spanish albeit you can change the subtitles to English) the specialists and doctors whose full names & qualifications appear regularly throughout the docs—are there for all to see and question.

For these particular men & women who undoubtedly risk their professional reputation and possible future employment because of some stupid so-called fraud or scam is simply unthinkable.

Thought both docos were well-made & presented. Some of the new evidence I hadn't previously known about, and I can tell you that I was hanging in anticipation on every single word that they had uttered...LOL

Good luck to all those trying to debunk these professionals—as you will most definitely be needing it.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 01:59 AM
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a reply to: Heliocentric

Quite a team you've got there LMAO

Jamie Maussan the serial hoaxer: Alien photo from 2005, Metepec creature, the fairy, Roswell slides

Dr. José de Jesus Zalce Benitez and José de la Cruz Rios Lopez who took part in the Roswell slides scam.

Dr. Konstantin Korotkov and who claims to be able to photograph human soul using gas discharge visualization aka Kirlian photography.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 03:30 AM
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originally posted by: 311again

originally posted by: Heliocentric
How do you explain the metal implants, done with expert craftsmanship and for what reason? That in itself should prove that whatever is going on here is much more complicated than a simple hoax.



In the two new 45 minute approx. documentaries on Gaia (in Spanish albeit you can change the subtitles to English) the specialists and doctors whose full names & qualifications appear regularly throughout the docs—are there for all to see and question.

For these particular men & women who undoubtedly risk their professional reputation and possible future employment because of some stupid so-called fraud or scam is simply unthinkable.

Thought both docos were well-made & presented. Some of the new evidence I hadn't previously known about, and I can tell you that I was hanging in anticipation on every single word that they had uttered...LOL

Good luck to all those trying to debunk these professionals—as you will most definitely be needing it.


Funny you say " good luck trying to debunk these professionals" when you clearing have no clue who they are!

If these mummies were given to actual professionals, this would have been done and dusted a long time ago!



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 03:34 AM
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Thanks for the update Heliocentric. I know our opinions hugely differ on this, but i hope we get real answers soon.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 04:46 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

Funny you say " good luck trying to debunk these professionals" when you clearing have no clue who they are!

If these mummies were given to actual professionals, this would have been done and dusted a long time ago!



Clearly these guys know what they're talking about—have you watched the link to the docs because they do go quite deep into the possibilities of these being fraudulent dummies masquerading as fake mummies.


If you haven't watched the docs then you can't really comment as you don't know what they have or haven't said.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 05:09 AM
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originally posted by: 311again

originally posted by: Jay-morris

Funny you say " good luck trying to debunk these professionals" when you clearing have no clue who they are!

If these mummies were given to actual professionals, this would have been done and dusted a long time ago!



Clearly these guys know what they're talking about—have you watched the link to the docs because they do go quite deep into the possibilities of these being fraudulent dummies masquerading as fake mummies.


If you haven't watched the docs then you can't really comment as you don't know what they have or haven't said.


Yes i have watched it, and have you looked into the background of these people? They are not the best of people to be testing this, and that is why a lot of people are dubious.

You carry on believing that this is something, but let us see how this turns out.


niv

posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:11 AM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric
The intial DNA results are inconclusive, while one test indicate that one of the small heads and a three digit hand are 99% Homo sapiens, or possibly 100%. With this in mind, the extraterrestial hypothesis is at best problematic. Maussan was however determined to announce two new species and would not budge.


How do you explain the metal implants, done with expert craftsmanship and for what reason? That in itself should prove that whatever is going on here is much more complicated than a simple hoax.


First I want to thank you for your contribution to this thread.

I'm a little confused about what has actually been determined. Apparently there are a number of mummies discovered. There is one or more large ones (Maria) and a number of smaller bodies. All or most of the bodies have been carbon dated to roughly a couple thousand years ago.

The DNA test you refer to above is on one of the small bodies. Is this the small one with the eggs? It shows 99% homo sapien sapien which I take means it is entirely human (1% of uncertainty is not unusual with old samples). Maria and some of the smaller bodies have had samples taken but no results yet.

Is this correct? If so, why is Maussan talking about two new species when there are no results to back up the claims (I know he's a loose cannon but still that's a pretty aggressive stance to take).

Is this summary of where things stand correct?



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: Heliocentric

Hi Heliocentric,

Thanks for the update.

As for faking the heads, I would recommend taking a look at www.youtube.com...
Admittedly I would have expected the DNA to come back as canine or none at all. If it comes back as a human (or mostly human) I'm not sure if a human skull could be modified to work. Personally, I would love it to be something special, but am starting to have more and more doubts.


I may take a look at Paul's video later, not that I find them very interesting. Here's an interview with Paul Ronceros (interviewed by Radio Journalist Anthony Choy, in Spanish).

www.youtube.com...

In this interview, Ronceros discards all the scientists and specialists that have studied the mummmies as "ufologists" or "Jaime Maussan's buddies" and their work as unscientific. He tells more lies than I can count on the fingers of my five digit hands. He brings his three digit hand to the studio in order to show that it is a montage of two different bodies, but does not manage to show anything.
When Journalist Choy asks why Ronceros have changed his story, Ronceros starts talking about a certain Marco Barraza (some kind of UFO debunker with government affiliations: www.youtube.com...) that coaxed him into doing the videos. It makes no sense whatsoever, but at least Paul has an explanation for his contradictions.

For people who do not know Peru, let me explain the following. It is unfortunately one of the most corrupted countries in the world. Show me another country where a former president (Alberto Fujimori, President 1990-2000) is serving a 25 year prison sentence for Human Rights violations and corruption, and the three most recent Presidents (Alan Garcia, President 1985-90 and 2006-2011, Alejandro Toledo, President 2001-2006 and Ollanta Humala, President 2011-2016, are under investigation for corruption (www.economist.com...).

This corruption exists on all levels in the Peruvian society, from simple government employees to the top members of society. In regions such as Nazca, with lots of archaeological remains and where pillage is rampant, people say that the best huaceros (tomb robbers) are the people in the Ministry of Culture.

Thierry Jamin told me that when he testified before the District Court of Nazca (a five hour long interrogation), they showed him pictures of Mario the tomb robber and asked him to confirm his identity (which he refused to do). This means that the police knows who Mario is, but for the time being they're doing nothing.

When one of former President Alejandro Toledo's Peruvian houses was searched by the Police, they found an Inca funerary mask in gold. This object was not listed by the Ministry of Culture, which means that it is most probably an object plundered from a grave.
Thierry does not exclude the possibility that Mario was implicated in this affair (Mario has insinuated things without confirming anything), and that he is protected by people in key positions.

Paul Ronceros is an ex-convict, and while his friendship to Mario is now downplayed, it's entirely possible that they've had some shady business together in the past. The bottom line is, Paul Ronceros cannot be trusted.







 
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