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Strange Mummies From Nazca Studied By Medical Team

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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:25 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

So because i disagree with you, that means I am a debunkers.


You say that I'm wrong and everything I've presented in this thread is a hoax, and you haven't presented a single shred of evidence to back it up, right? That makes you a rather typical debunker, yes.


originally posted by: Jay-morris
I tell you what. If i am wrong, and i hope i am. I will happily come back in this thread and admit I was wrong. I have no problem with that.


That's very upfront of you and I appreciate it. I've already said twice in this thread that I will adapt my beliefs to what the scientific data says, and I'm still committed to this. So yes I'm in. I will publicly state that I was wrong if it turns out that way.

However...

I know something you don't know, which makes this an unfair bet. I've seen some of the test results that will be released the 11th this month and I know that they confirm what I'm saying (which is why I'm saying it). We have so many laboratories involved and they line up on the main issues, which makes me extra sure of myself.

Since Jaime Maussan and Gaia TV have already revealed some of the C-14 results I can just as well share it with you.

Five laboratories confirm approximately 1800 BP on the mummy Maria, so she's almost certainly from the Nazca culture period.

However...

We get different time periods on different mummies and mummified remains (anything between 1200 BP to 1800 BP or older) and the labs seem to agree on their age.
This means (assuming that Mario the tomb robber is telling the truth) that we're technically not talking about a Nazca culture tomb, but a repository that either several cultures from different time periods have used, or one culture has stored relics (mummies) from different time periods and cultures in their repository.
The earliest C-14 date so far is 1200 BP, or approximately AD 800.

This is right in the period of the Wari empire, that controlled Nazca from the Northern coast of Peru. But there was also the Tiwanaku civilization, who's empire stretched from the highlands of Bolivia down to the Pacific coastline, close to the Nazca region. If the tomb complex is located in the Tacna region (as has been suggested), then it was under Tiwanaku dominance.
Mario has reported finding two (human) mummies in the tomb, a young girl and a grown man, that he identifies as Inca culture. If he's right, perhaps we can establish an early Inca presence in the supposed tomb complex, it's for the future to say. This is very interesting information and it helps us to understand what we're dealing with.

So in a week from now, don't say I didn't tell you.
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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: Jay-morris

So because i disagree with you, that means I am a debunkers.


You say that I'm wrong and everything I've presented in this thread is a hoax, and you haven't presented a single shred of evidence to back it up, right? That makes you a rather typical debunker, yes.


originally posted by: Jay-morris
I tell you what. If i am wrong, and i hope i am. I will happily come back in this thread and admit I was wrong. I have no problem with that.


That's very upfront of you and I appreciate it. I've already said twice in this thread that I will adapt my beliefs to what the scientific data says, and I'm still committed to this. So yes I'm in. I will publicly state that I was wrong if it turns out that way.

However...

I know something you don't know, which makes this an unfair bet. I've seen some of the test results that will be released the 11th this month and I know that they confirm what I'm saying (which is why I'm saying it). We have so many laboratories involved and they line up on the main issues, which makes me extra sure of myself.

Since Jaime Maussan and Gaia TV have already revealed some of the C-14 results I can just as well share it with you.

Five laboratories confirm approximately 1800 BP on the mummy Maria, so she's almost certainly from the Nazca culture period.

However...

We get different time periods on different mummies and mummified remains (anything between 1200 BP to 1800 BP or older) and the labs seem to agree on their age.
This means (assuming that Mario the tomb robber is telling the truth) that we're technically not talking about a Nazca culture tomb, but a repository that either several cultures from different time periods have used, or one culture has stored relics (mummies) from different time periods and cultures in their repository.
The earliest C-14 date so far is 1200 BP, or approximately AD 800.

This is right in the period of the Wari empire, that controlled Nazca from the Northern coast of Peru. But there was also the Tiwanaku civilization, who's empire stretched from the highlands of Bolivia down to the Pacific coastline, close to the Nazca region. If the tomb complex is located in the Tacna region (as has been suggested), then it was under Tiwanaku dominance.
Mario has reported finding two (human) mummies in the tomb, a young girl and a grown man, that he identifies as Inca culture. If he's right, perhaps we can establish an early Inca presence in the supposed tomb complex, it's for the future to say. This is very interesting information and it helps us to understand what we're dealing with.

So in a week from now, don't say I didn't tell you.


Do you know how many times Jaime Maussan has been involved with hoaxes? I am not saying that this is not legit, but how many times have we heard the same thing about evidence coming out, and it turns out to be hoaxes, or nothing amazing at all.

I do not need evidence to prove that this is a hoax or nothing special. I have been into this subject for over 20 years, and every year, there is always something coming out to change everything, but it never does.

So, until this is mainstream, and confirmed, i am sticking to what i said before. If i am wrong, then that would be amazing. If i am right, then it is just another, of a very long list of nothing.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

I do not need evidence to prove that this is a hoax or nothing special.


OK. Let's just agree that we have a difference in approach.

Peruvian journalist Anthony Choy interviews Dr. Edson Salazar Vivanco, who explains in detail why this is not a hoax and shares some of the highlights of his studies (in Spanish):

www.youtube.com...
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posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: Jay-morris

I do not need evidence to prove that this is a hoax or nothing special.


OK. Let's just agree that we have a difference in approach.

Peruvian journalist Anthony Choy interviews Dr. Edson Salazar Vivanco, who explains in detail why this is not a hoax and shares some of the highlights of his studies (in Spanish):

www.youtube.com...


Video is no good to me, as i do not understand. Let me ask this. Are you worried that Jaime Maussan's name is tied to this? This guy has been involved in hoaxes in the past involving beings found.

Also, this press conference on the 12th July. Can you watch it live without having to pay money?



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris
Let me ask this. Are you worried that Jaime Maussan's name is tied to this? This guy has been involved in hoaxes in the past involving beings found.


I was following this thing way before Jaime Maussan came into the picture. Whether he covers the events or not, the mummies are still authentic.

IMO all these hoax accusations are just unfounded stories circulating on the internet, posted and re-posted by people who do not need evidence to prove something is a hoax.

That said, if you wish to link me to a credible source that explains what you're talking about, I'll take a look at it.


originally posted by: Jay-morris
Also, this press conference on the 12th July. Can you watch it live without having to pay money?


It's the 11th, 10AM Peruvian time. It depends on where you are in the world. If you're in the US, Gaia TV will transmit the conference. You'll have to check with them if it's for free or not.

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posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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I was following this thing way before Jaime Maussan came into the picture. Whether he covers the events or not, the mummies are still authentic. IMO all these hoax accusations are just unfounded stories circulating on the internet, posted and re-posted by people who do not need evidence to prove something is a hoax. That said, if you wish to link me to a credible source that explains what you're talking about, I'll take a look at it.



Jaime Maussan has been involved with many UFO hoaxes in the past. Each one of his "revelations" have been nothing, with a lot of them being hoaxes. It is not the first time Maussan has been involved with mummies that turned out to be fake, so why should this be different.

If it is true what they are saying about the mummy, then this would not just be on Gaia, and people would not have to pay for it. Why is it that whenever something like this happens in the ufo/alien community, something big that will "change the world" you have to pay to view it?

This news conference will be on gaia, and that will be it. You might see it in some news papers, but then it will be forgotten, but by that time, people involved would have made their money and moved on.

I am sorry, but this screams hoax!




It depends on where you are in the world. If you're in the US, Gaia TV will transmit the conference. You'll have to check with them if it's for free or not.


yes, i had a feeling that it would be something you might have to pay for. No surprises there



Like i said, i could be wrong, and i hope i am, but i have been into this subject for a long time, and you can always see a hoax coming. Money is always involved



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

Like i said, i could be wrong, and i hope i am,


Always keep your hopes up!



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: Jay-morris

Like i said, i could be wrong, and i hope i am,


Always keep your hopes up!


Don't get me wrong. If this turned out to be something major, believe me, i would be over the moon. Being someone who has been interested in the subject for such a long time, i know there are many things out there that defy explanation.

The ufo subject, and other paranormal subjects have been close to my heart since I was a child.

If I am proved wrong about this, no one will be more happier than me



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 07:34 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

Don't get me wrong. If this turned out to be something major, believe me, i would be over the moon.


Over the Moon huh? Better take your space suit out of the closet then,

I know you don't believe me, all I can say is, I wouldn't spend months of my time feeding ATS members BS and misinformation, that would be a totally meaningless existence and a really low thing to do. I would have earned everybody's disrespect if that was the case.

Anyhow. One of the channels that will distribute the press conference the 11th in France is Nuréa TV ( www.nurea.tv...). Tomorrow the 7th, they announce an online conference, special report and interview with Thierry Jamin broadcasted live (in French), and you can watch it on Youtube:
www.youtube.com...
Nuréa TV says: "Thierry Jamin will talk about the press conference the 11th of July and we'll discuss the test results from various laboratories around the world"
I do not know what test results Jamin will reveal tomorrow (4 days before the press conference), but if you speak French I would keep an ear open, it's bound to be interesting.
Nuréa TV announced that their coverage of the press conference the 11th will be translated into English, it's not clear to me however if they'll translate tomorrow's broadcast (you can always use Youtube's not-so-perfect direct translation). f not, II might throw together a summary.
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posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 08:03 AM
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posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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I've been following this thread since the beginning and wanted to thank you for the continuous updates, it is much appreciated. This type of stuff has always interested me and the 11th just can't seem to come fast enough.

I like how you politely dealt with the naysayers, even the rude ones. You took a lot of time explaining a lot of things in great detail and I truly believe you and do not think you are pulling a fast one on us.

This is the most anticipated event in a long time for me.

I'm looking forward to whatever is revealed


I have a feeling it won't be as "out of this world" as I want it to be, but whatever it is, it seems very interesting. Damn, this wait is killing me lol...



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 02:05 PM
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Thanks Mikehawk.

Gaia TV has posted a video update: 3: Examination of a New Body.

I cannot link you to that video because it's restricted for Gaia members, at least for now.

The new body is Victoria, a 56cm tall mummy sitting down with the hands on its knees.



Victoria - who is missing its head - is considered male by the specialists, in spite of its name.

Victoria is humanoid, has three digit hands and feet, six pairs of ribs and two floating pairs (Homo sapiens has 12 pairs). The neck is possibly retractable.

The body is well preserved, with apparent porose, brown-colored skin.

Victoria has undergone a number of different tests and has been MRI scanned.

C-14 dating: 800-1100 BP.


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posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 07:27 PM
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An extract of the new video from Gaia is available 48 hours on their Facebook site:

web.facebook.com...

And is available full lenght here (paste the URL into your browser):

www.contact38.fr/perou/gaia_update3.mp4











I need to make a correction. The mummy Victoria is not carbon-dated 800-1100 BP, but AD 997-1145 (in Gaia's C-14 tests).

I'm getting increasingly frustrated with various professionals (physicians, anatomists, archaeologists, medically trained people etc ) claiming that the mummies (or at least the mummy Maria) are real mummies that have been anatomically altered by hoaxers (this is notably the theory of the head archaeologist in Nazca, Johny Isla).

First of all, thank you for acknowledging that the mummies are authentic.

Secondly, what would be the motive for doing it?

A genuine pre-Columbian mummy 1800 years old is worth a fortune, it's a priceless artifact to science and scientific institutions.

You don't have to cut it up to make money, in fact it's worth more if intact.

Such a senseless act is bound to fail (as if the world community of scientists and researchers wouldn't notice if the mummies have been altered), and the value of the mummies would free fall.

By altering the mummies you commit a second crime (destruction of archaeological remains according to the protection act) added to the crime of trafficking - which will only add to your prison sentence.

In short, only a complete idiot would try to change an authentic pre-Columbian mummy into an 'alien'.
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posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric
An extract of the new video from Gaia is available 48 hours on their Facebook site:

web.facebook.com...

And is available full lenght here (paste the URL into your browser):

www.contact38.fr/perou/gaia_update3.mp4


Was interested till i saw this small figure lol Its the same as Maria but tiny. Fakes, obvious now.



I need to make a correction. The mummy Victoria is not carbon-dated 800-1100 BP, but AD 997-1145 (in Gaia's C-14 tests).


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posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 01:31 AM
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All of the evidence that you have presented thus far to us on Above Top Secret
seems to point to something that is very unusual indeed. And in the reading of your own particular feelings on the matter one gets the distinct notion that we may have to all change our personal perspectives somewhat in the way that we currently perceive our earth/universe.

Am I being perhaps a little too dramatic about this, or alternatively, maybe I am underplaying the profound significance of the impact of these great discoveries—or is it somewhere else in-between these two extremes?

Either way, thanks indeed for your all of your hard work for it is much appreciated.
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posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 08:12 AM
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Thanks 311again, much appreciated.


originally posted by: 311again
All of the evidence that you have presented thus far to us on Above Top Secret
seems to point to something that is very unusual indeed.


Thank you for using those words. Yes, the material data that has been collected so far points to something clearly out of the ordinary. But science is a long and tedious process - as it should be. It's like a 80 old near sighted lady going down the highway 20 mph driving everyone crazy. In three days time the scientific data collected from the mummies will be presented to the world community, then more studies and more tests will be made, hopefully by colleagues skeptical but scientifically disciplined. Then counter opinions, arguments, discredits and insults.

I mentioned it before, some of us followed the scientific soap opera of whether Homo floresiensis was a species of its own or not. It took ten years, and the debate was so heated at times that the scientists said just about everything about their opponents. If words could be used as a broken bottle...

In that sense, a thread like this is a micro cosmos of the larger process.



originally posted by: 311again
And in the reading of your own particular feelings on the matter one gets the distinct notion that we may have to all change our personal perspectives somewhat in the way that we currently perceive our earth/universe.

Am I being perhaps a little too dramatic about this, or alternatively, maybe I am underplaying the profound significance of the impact of these great discoveries—or is it somewhere else in-between these two extremes?


I'm going to answer that by throwing in some new information Thierry Jamin revealed yesterday, in a French online interview at Nuréa TV.
Personally I think he was very clear about his role in this whole thing and explained well what is going on. He's going to need to convey more clarity on Tuesday (and for years onwards) when things will get rougher.

The Peruvian Ministry of Culture presently believes it's all a hoax. Peruvian journalist Anthony Choy reports that two major Peruvian TV channels have been approached by the Ministry, told it is all a hoax and recommended not to attend the press conference.

There's a word for that, when governments tell the press what to say and what to cover...

In any case, it was a two and a half hour interview and I'll simply relay the most important information.

Jamin was called to the District Court of Nazca (together with four other people, one being Paul Ronceros) and his statement was taken on the investigation of trafficking of archaeological remains.

Jamin explained the year 1997 controversy once again. 1997 was the default year of the X-ray machine, it will automatically appear if no other birth date is entered.

Jamin talked about the costs of MRI and CT scanning (about $ 7000 per session in Peru), and that the crowd funding operation (which pulled in 39 000 Euros) only partially payed for the many sessions, which now amounts to $ 150 000. Gaia TV (US) and Tercer Milenio (Mexico) have chipped in to pay the costs. I have earlier stated that National Geographic came to Peru with their own scientific team. It was however GaiaTV that did that, NatGeo only piggybacked, took photos and filmed the scientific work. It's still not clear what they're planning to do.

Jamin explained that the four mummies Albert, Josefina, Maria and Victoria have been returned to Mario the tomb robber. The deal was that Mario loaned the mummies to the Inkari Institute for scientific evaluation - and once their authenticity is established, Mario can sell them as high priced as possible. The price for the mid sized mummies is now $100 000 each, and for Maria $1000 000.

Maria: Through the work of Dr. Konstanin Korotkov, PhD at Saint- Petersburg University, the Scientific Academy of Russia has now established ten distinct anatomical differences between Maria and Homo sapiens. Maria died at the age of 30-40, and her death was probably accidental or possibly murder (some broken bones indicate that), and she was possibly in an early stage of pregnancy. She lived 1700-1800 BP, the C-14 results are coherent on that. She has not been cut or altered in any way (before the studies).

There is however a bigger incoherence between the small heads, the three digit hand and the mid sized bodies. The 38cm/15' three digit hand showed the greatest C-14 differences. One lab dates it to 700 BP, another lab 1250 BP, another 3500 BP and a fourth lab 7500 BP.
One of the mummified brains dated 1000 BP.
Victoria dates to 800 BP to 1100 BP.
Albert suffered from Osteoporosis and was still growing when he died.
The mid-sized mummies Albert, Josefina have temporal implants (!)
Josefina is considered to have eggs in her stomach (MRI scanning show well the egg shape) which has not been opened so far, she has a horizontal vagina and her interior organs is thought to be intact and retracted.

Jamin was careful to underline that the primary DNA results are simply initial results that need to be confirmed with more profound testing. New results will arrive in 3 to 6 months, and a new press conference on the DNA results is announced for the end of the year. The DNA results of the 38cm/15' three digit hand shows it to be human to 99% - which in that case makes it a bit more human than a Chimpanzee (that shares human DNA to 98%). Jamin didn't specify, but the other mummies seem to be in the same ballpark figure.
DNA testing of the small heads (remains of brain tissue in the skull cavity) show them not to be dog, cat, monkey, sloth or any other known animal, to be continued.






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posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 08:34 AM
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Agree with 311again, you are doing a great job. Im checking in every day full of enthusiasm.

But....no aliens ??

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posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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That's too early to answer. What is that hypothetical 1% of unknown DNA, and how did it get there?

Biologist José de la Cruz Rios Lopez (Mexico) who have studied the mummies extensively claims that the state of preservation of the mummies at their age is unexplained, and that the conservation process used by the embalmers is unknown.
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posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 10:25 AM
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Will the world press be at this news conference?



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 04:42 PM
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three-fingered hand, Maria is it, human? If it's human what is the fuss all about? That small looking one, looks like too tiny to be a real humanoid. It always worries me when they say 6 months till you see the results. Looking to hang on to this for a payday?



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