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Strange Mummies From Nazca Studied By Medical Team

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posted on Jun, 29 2017 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: Jokatgulm

I'm going to do you a favor and ignore this weak redirection.


The only redirection is you and other amateur debunkers attacking the persons distributing the information, believing you can discredit the information that way.


originally posted by: Jokatgulm
For some reason, you decided to step forward and personally vouch for Jamin, you made yourself part of the discussion and your legitimacy can and should be discussed. It would be a good start to start providing evidence of your claims. For instance, you being an archaeologist and having been a teacher. I'm asking specifically for this because you used these affirmations to support Jamin's con.


I was a natural candidate because of my background, and because I speak Spanish, French and English.

It's however all about the discovery, not about me. Please focus on the thread topic, and respect the privacy policy of ATS.




posted on Jun, 29 2017 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: Jokatgulm

I'm going to do you a favor and ignore this weak redirection.


The only redirection is you and other amateur debunkers attacking the persons distributing the information, believing you can discredit the information that way.


Said information would needs some form of credit before someone can come and discredit it. So far, you have failed to address the numerous red flags people presented you. Besides, yeah, sorry, but the credibility of those "distributing the information" is a major issue in this case, and it should be discussed (I'm talking about Jamin and his infamous team).


originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: Jokatgulm
For some reason, you decided to step forward and personally vouch for Jamin, you made yourself part of the discussion and your legitimacy can and should be discussed. It would be a good start to start providing evidence of your claims. For instance, you being an archaeologist and having been a teacher. I'm asking specifically for this because you used these affirmations to support Jamin's con.


I was a natural candidate because of my background, and because I speak Spanish, French and English.

It's however all about the discovery, not about me. Please focus on the thread topic, and respect the privacy policy of ATS.


I'm trying, but you refused to discuss the elements I posted earlier, and all those that wouldn't fit the narrative of this so-called "discovery".

As per the terms and conditions, I am not allowed to solicit personal information from any member, and this isn't what I did. If you think I did breach the rules, you know what to do.

I only specifically requested that you back up a claim you made. Don't pretend to be an archaeologist and use that as an argument if you're not willing to bring evidence. The burden of proof is on you, and I'm sure you could figure out a way to prove that you are what you pretend to be without breaching the TaC.

Keep yourself and your unverifiable "testimony" out of the discussion and focus on the thread topic.
edit on 29/6/2017 by Jokatgulm because: failed the quotes



posted on Jun, 29 2017 @ 08:18 AM
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I am as curious as anyone here. But I'm able to restrain myself from being rabid to have all the answers right now.
A couple weeks and we'll know a lot more. When we know more we can discuss this with better clarity.
And before starting the " you're an idiot dance "at my doorstep , I am not, not, not saying I am buying in. Just willing to wait to see.
(Patience is also a virtue that saves regret.)

Still, I like these arguments better than the vitriol over in politics.


VF



posted on Jun, 29 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: Jokatgulm

I only specifically requested that you back up a claim you made. Don't pretend to be an archaeologist and use that as an argument if you're not willing to bring evidence. The burden of proof is on you,


I have already shared many thoughts and basic aspects of archaeology in this thread, ask Agartha.


originally posted by: VenatiusFortunatus
I am as curious as anyone here. But I'm able to restrain myself from being rabid to have all the answers right now.
A couple weeks and we'll know a lot more. When we know more we can discuss this with better clarity.
VF


You mean, let the scientists and specialists who have actually studied the mummies present the data they've collected and discuss the data, rather than play out your total disbelief and spread doubts wherever you can in order to sap the subject?

It's a daring concept, perhaps a bit utopian...



posted on Jun, 29 2017 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: Heliocentric

Thank you heliocentric for a great thread . I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing the results of all this .



posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 06:29 AM
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I thought I'd splice tihis in, since it deals not only with the Nazca mummies but also an episode some people in this thread have referred to directly or indirectly.
Jaime Maussan cleans the air on journalism, hoaxes and people accusing him of hoaxes, and the Nazca mummies.

www.youtube.com...

The explanation given by L. A. Marzulli and Jaime Maussan sounds more plausible to me than the one proposed by a few individuals in this thread, but I'm going to leave the door open on it since it has NOTHING to do with the finds I'm talking about. In any case I salute Marzulli and Maussan for admitting they were wrong, it's okay to have a working theory that does not pan out.

And as Maussan said, it's not over, there's so much more to come. If you think you have this thing figured out, just wait and see...
edit on 30-6-2017 by Heliocentric because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 06:25 PM
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An update from Gaia, a questions and answers clip:

www.youtube.com...

Confirming the C-14 dates with additional test results.



posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 09:59 PM
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A trailer for Jois Mantilla's upcoming four web episodes on the Nazca discovery (in Spanish).

www.youtube.com...

Jois Mantilla is the only Peruvian journalist who has covered the scientific studies, and who was present when some of the more interesting discoveries were made.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: Heliocentric

You are getting paid for this, are you not?



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 07:21 AM
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originally posted by: solve
a reply to: Heliocentric

You are getting paid for this, are you not?


I wish! I work for free, and the trip to Lima plus hotel expenses for the press conference comes out of my pocket,

The conference is full since yesterday, press people only. Lots of demands from UFO organizations.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: Heliocentric

Sorry to hear that,

But Lima sounds awesome, wish i could go too.



posted on Jul, 2 2017 @ 10:52 AM
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Johny Isla, the Archaeological Director of the Nazca Department (Ministry of Culture), has appeared in the media these last few days. He was briefly interrogated on the Nazca Mummy affair in the below video (in Spanish).
Isla first admits he knows little about the whole affair. He has not seen the mummies, he has not visited the tomb site and he has not participated in or seen the scientific studies. He has only seen some pictures on social networks. In the next sentence he condemns the whole thing as a hoax, and a very serious one since apparently he believes someone has cut and pasted real mummies to make them look the way they look- therefore it's a crime against the protection act of archaeological remains.
It's really unfortunate that the head archaeologist in Nazca (and the director of the future team of archaeologists that hopefully will investigate the tomb complex) lack in scientific objectivity and rigor, but perhaps the Nazca mummies are becoming a political affair - similar to the one that erupted when Thierry Jamin and the Inkari Institute discovered a supposed royal tomb at Machu Picchu (not yet opened by the Peruvian authorities).

www.youtube.com...

A man who does know what he's talking about is José de Jesús Zalce Benítez, a Forensic Expert and Principal of the Forensic Department of the Mexican Navy, who has participated in several of the studies of the Mummies. He categorically excludes the possibility of a hoax and does not believe that the mummies (subject to the studies) have been altered in any way (in Spanish):

www.youtube.com...

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posted on Jul, 2 2017 @ 09:21 PM
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One question I have is the lack of scientific method in studying what supposedly could be one (if not the) greatest archaeological find in the history of this world. Was there lack of funds? Or was it something else? Studying a mummy on what looks to be the roof of a building, on a small area not much wider than the mummy, reeks of either inexperience, or something else I can't fathom. Or obviously, if it were just a plaster dummy.. they are not worried about scientific method.

The way they pick it up, turn it, and these are just videos and pictures we have seen. Who in their right mind, handling something this extraordinary, would treat it with this level of incompetence. This has been echoed by other experts in the field. It just seems incredibly poorly done. I said this about the original video posted here. Almost looks like they are in a 2nd rate lab with cracked walls and crappy equipment, with little care being taken for something that should be handled like it was a Faberge Egg.



posted on Jul, 3 2017 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: fleabit
One question I have is the lack of scientific method in studying what supposedly could be one (if not the) greatest archaeological find in the history of this world. Was there lack of funds? Or was it something else? Studying a mummy on what looks to be the roof of a building, on a small area not much wider than the mummy, reeks of either inexperience, or something else I can't fathom. Or obviously, if it were just a plaster dummy.. they are not worried about scientific method.

The way they pick it up, turn it, and these are just videos and pictures we have seen. Who in their right mind, handling something this extraordinary, would treat it with this level of incompetence. This has been echoed by other experts in the field. It just seems incredibly poorly done. I said this about the original video posted here. Almost looks like they are in a 2nd rate lab with cracked walls and crappy equipment, with little care being taken for something that should be handled like it was a Faberge Egg.


I can assure you that the medical team is competent at what they're doing. However I agree that sometimes when they stick their faces real close to the mummies, I wonder if they're thinking about DNA contamination. I haven't picked up any of the mummies myself so I don't know how I would go about it if I did. How would you pick it up? Perhaps you have little experience of other countries (whatever country you're in, but I suppose one wealthy enough to support your notion of how a hospital should look) and their standards, adapted to their means.
Yes, most Peruvian hospitals and clinics look like that, I would say most in South America look like that. And that's a hospital in Cusco, which is a fairly big city . I'm about 45 min outside of Cusco, you should see the clinic in my next door village. I don't think you'd like to have your appendix removed there...

I've seen worse in India and Bangladesh. I've seen worse in Turkey too, and Africa.
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posted on Jul, 3 2017 @ 06:59 AM
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I will say this now. Absolutely nothing is going to come from this, nothing at all! I am sick of all the crap and hoaxes that come with this subject. It is the reason why the subject is laughed at, which is a shame because there are some truly amazing unexplained ufo cases out there.

Something like this comes around every year, and it is always the same old story. Get excited about this if you like, but nothing is going to happen.



posted on Jul, 3 2017 @ 07:12 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris I am sick of all the crap and hoaxes that come with this subject.


If you're sick of it, then why are you here?



posted on Jul, 3 2017 @ 07:18 AM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: Jay-morris I am sick of all the crap and hoaxes that come with this subject.


If you're sick of it, then why are you here?


Because is is a forum, and i can view whatever I want to view, and post whatever. Also, someone who has been into the subject for a very long time, sure I am going to post my frustrations on things like this.

The same people who believe that this is something, will believe in the next story that comes along



posted on Jul, 3 2017 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

The same people who believe that this is something, will believe in the next story that comes along


So you're not only an amateur debunker, you're also an amateur prophet. Interesting.

While on the subject of predictions, there's a rumor circulating. It's only a rumor, but they turned out accurate in the past, so who knows.

Jaime Maussan recently claimed publicly that Thierry Jamin is going to bring something very special to the press conference, most likely an object found in the tomb complex. The rumor says that Thierry Jamin has confirmed this today. Even the people in the inner circle of the Alien Project do not know what it is, and I don't know. If it is what I think it is, I may have mentioned it already in this thread. In any case, Jaime Maussan knows and he seems to think it will blow the top of the press conference.

The presentation of Victoria - the fourth mummy obtained by the Inkari Institute - is imminent.
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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 02:45 AM
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originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: Jay-morris

The same people who believe that this is something, will believe in the next story that comes along


So you're not only an amateur debunker, you're also an amateur prophet. Interesting.

While on the subject of predictions, there's a rumor circulating. It's only a rumor, but they turned out accurate in the past, so who knows.

Jaime Maussan recently claimed publicly that Thierry Jamin is going to bring something very special to the press conference, most likely an object found in the tomb complex. The rumor says that Thierry Jamin has confirmed this today. Even the people in the inner circle of the Alien Project do not know what it is, and I don't know. If it is what I think it is, I may have mentioned it already in this thread. In any case, Jaime Maussan knows and he seems to think it will blow the top of the press conference.

The presentation of Victoria - the fourth mummy obtained by the Inkari Institute - is imminent.


So because i disagree with you, that means I am a debunkers.

I tell you what. If i am wrong, and i hope i am. I will happily come back in this thread and admit I was wrong. I have no problem with that.

If you are wrong, let's see if you will do the same, or will you just vanish from the thread and wait for the next amazing find that will change mankind!

Let's see!



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 04:28 AM
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I think the only way to get the topic out of ridicule is to put our money where our mouth is.

Problem is, how can you check if something is serious without buying and reading the books, listening to podcasts or watching YouTube videos where each view is generating income for the publisher? Now apply that question to a mainstream audience to make things even more complicated.

As long as there is a cashflow (and UFOlogy has become big business/entertainment), the majority of hoaxes will keep appearing.

Unfortunately serious (private) researchers do need to jump the same money train as well.

Not implying this is a hoax/clickbait btw, I'll leave that out in the open


(and yes, I saw this video and did generate a small part of revenue, shame on me!/good cause?)
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