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Strange Mummies From Nazca Studied By Medical Team

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posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 07:56 PM
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Thierry Jamin has posted a new update and announces a new date for the press conference: 11th of July, 10AM at the Swissotel, Lima. One day less to wait.
He also said that GaiaTV will distribute the full length documentary they've produced on Netflix in a few days time.

Jaime Maussan has announced 6 documentaries on the Nazca mummies, the first one to be aired the 2nd of July.


originally posted by: Themanxter
Cant help to think they handle those ancient mummies fairly rough.


Maybe. They seem sturdy though, and that white powder all the organic objects are covered with forms a kind of protective crust.


originally posted by: Themanxter
So now there is two totally different speices, as one wouldnt been enough sensational.


That's a theory proposed by Jaime Maussan. Personally I hope that the DNA results will tell us what the different creatures are. If you compare the mummy of Maria with the smaller creatures, there are clear connections, such as the three digit hands and the morphology of the heads, notably the eyes. Maria resembles a sort of hybrid between them and Homo sapiens. If so, how did that happen? Or, are the smaller ones simply embryonic?

Another aspect is the tales of Mario. If what Mario says is true, there are winged humanoids among the mummies. Also according to Mario, in the tomb complex there's a gigantic humanoid cranium embedded in the wall 1.20m (3.9') high. If so, is there a whole collection of different species stored in the tomb complex?


originally posted by: Themanxter
Is there more to come ?


Yes. Metallic objects of unknown type (similar to silver) that may have some technological aspect to them, with inscriptions or signs.


originally posted by: Themanxter
Anything about when NatGeo will do something in regards to this ?


No, but they need to act reasonably fast, or else GaiaTV, Tercer Milenio and the Inkari Institute will have sole coverage. In 24h, GaiaTV has generated 11 million hits with their video clips. That translates into a lot of money...


originally posted by: Themanxter
Any mainstream media picked this up yet ?


Who cares? They're way behind...

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posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: maggi
a reply to: Heliocentric

This development is extra ordinary. Since you said you would try to respond to questions, thanks. In one picture of the xray, in the Gaiam trailer, a 1997 date is stamped. Is this incorrect or was the cadaver found as long ago as 1997?


As far as I know, all finds date from 2016, and all X-rays have been taken sometime late 2016-early 2017.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 08:32 AM
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Thanks

a reply to: Heliocentric




posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 11:03 AM
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Ancient Origins finally caught on:

www.ancient-origins.net...

I could have written that piece months ago, had they listened...

Frankly, I wonder why that article is not at the front page of AO's site. Which one of their main articles carry more weight than the discovery of a new humanoid species, possibly extraterrestial?

Some of you have noticed that Thierry Jamin's face appear blotted out in some of GaiaTV's teasers,

Jamin has recently appeared before the District Court of Nazca, for a hearing on possible illegal trafficking of archaeological artifacts.

Jamin has however (from the start) pledged to donate the mummies and mummified remains to science and the Peruvian state if so is required.

GaiaTV is simply being cautious not to show Jamin in the context of the mummies. Jamin is however all over the mummies in Alien Project's videos...
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posted on Jun, 24 2017 @ 01:40 AM
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You would think if these were legitimate specimens the "scientists" would be a bit more gentle with handling them. They are flipping, turning, and handling them in a fairly rough manner.

At one point the "scientist" is tapping one of the skulls on his hand as he is pointing to an x-ray discussing the occipital bone. I want to believe but this isn't one I can buy into.



posted on Jun, 24 2017 @ 06:42 AM
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originally posted by: Outlier13
You would think if these were legitimate specimens the "scientists" would be a bit more gentle with handling them. They are flipping, turning, and handling them in a fairly rough manner.

At one point the "scientist" is tapping one of the skulls on his hand as he is pointing to an x-ray discussing the occipital bone. I want to believe but this isn't one I can buy into.


I understand Outlier13, your initial skepticism is healthy.

Here's my advice,

Instead of getting hung up on a detail in the videos and make up your mind on it,

Start by taking down the names of the people that figure in the many videos, source check their credentials and where they work, source check the institutions they work for. From the data you're able to collect, try to make yourself a larger picture. Try to imagine why all these people from many different countries with valid credentials and no apparent connections between each other would come together over some puppets made of plaster and wire - and be part of a hoaxed video saga that sooner or later would crash into a wall and destroy their careers. What would be their motive? Money? 15 minutes of fame on Youtube?

You don't have to believe, and you don't have to make up your mind. You can just lean back into your chair and watch it unfold. From now on it's going to amplify. The GaiaTV teasers had the effect desired, now everybody's interested, including the Peruvian authorities and the Ministry of Culture. The test results will be presented, then more tests will be made. The press will investigate, science will investigate, the Peruvian authorities will investigate. That's how the truth will be revealed.

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posted on Jun, 24 2017 @ 06:38 PM
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I highly suspect on that date, they will present absolutely nothing conclusive, with more tests to be made in the future.

After a year, this will be forgotten. Just my honest guess based on past experience with some of the parties involved.I'm obviously hoping for more, but not holding my breath. But here is hoping! : )



posted on Jun, 24 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: maggi
a reply to: Heliocentric

This development is extra ordinary. Since you said you would try to respond to questions, thanks. In one picture of the xray, in the Gaiam trailer, a 1997 date is stamped. Is this incorrect or was the cadaver found as long ago as 1997?


GaiaTV picked up on that question and checked.

Apparently, the X-ray machine is programmed to register a birth date for every X-ray/patient.

In this case, no date of birth was registered, so the machine entered a default date 20 years prior to the date of use (19th of June 2017). Therefore the dates 1997 and 2017 appears on the X-ray sheet, as if the 'patient' is 20 years old.
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posted on Jun, 24 2017 @ 09:05 PM
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a reply to: Heliocentric

I actually did do my due diligence as much as I could based on the information I could find. I watched the videos posted on the actual website: www.the-alien-project.com...

I researched Incan mummification processes and pictures. These mummies do not look similar to other Incan mummies or mummification processes.

I researched the sponsoring organisation Inkari Cusco and could not find anything that led me to believe they are experts in antiquities.

I researched the researcher in the videos and could not find anything on him in particular. If you have more info I would be happy to read it but from what I have been able to gather I am still not seeing this as legitimate. The "mummies" may actually be aged flesh and bone. Could be that someone went to great lengths to use bones from smaller animals to create the appearance of a mummified ET. Who knows. Even the researcher in these films says there are inconsistencies with the bone structures.

Here is a screen shot from a statement he makes in one of the short videos. Just before he makes the below statement he unequivocally states these are biological organisms. To go from making a statement were at one time biological to the statement he does not know if they are fake or real says a lot to me.



The fact that he does handle the mummies in such a rough manner might show his inexperience with working with mummified remains. Perhaps if they wanted the best experts they would reach out to the most well known mummy experts from Egypt for insight.

Sorry but anything associated with Jaime Maussan is an automatic red flag to me. He's been associated with promoting many fake UFO and ET stories over the years and while he may have reported on some legitimate events at some point his very presences casts a cloud across this project.

One last thing is this picture below. It just looks too conveniently classical alien to me. It looks intentional. There may very well be a skull underneath, however, the exterior is what I am referring to.



So, yes, with anything and everything I do as much due diligence as I can before I reach a conclusion. I still want to believe this could be legitimate but honestly there needs to be a lot more data.



posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 06:05 AM
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originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: Heliocentric

I actually did do my due diligence as much as I could based on the information I could find. I watched the videos posted on the actual website: www.the-alien-project.com...

I researched Incan mummification processes and pictures. These mummies do not look similar to other Incan mummies or mummification processes.


That's because they're not Inca mummies. The only Carbon-14 date released so far (there will be others) on Maria the mummiy dates her to AD 245 - 410 AD. That puts her in the Nazca culture period, and Nazca is her probable place of origin.
That said. The mummies do not resemble any Nazca culture burial I know of, and the mummification process they've undergone is at present unknown. I've never heard of a tomb complex in South America similar to the one described by Mario the tomb robber - who speculated that it could be Wari culture. If there's a consensus on the C-14 date then the tomb complex pre-dates the Wari culture with a few hundred years.


originally posted by: Outlier13
I researched the sponsoring organisation Inkari Cusco and could not find anything that led me to believe they are experts in antiquities.


I'm not sure what that statement means and perhaps you were somewhat limited in your research if you do not speak Spanish. The Inkari Institute is an archaeological Institute that performs archaeological excavation work and research here in Peru, I can attest to that since I live here and have worked in Archaeology all my life. Research is all about funding, and that's perhaps where the Inkari Institute lacks in strength.
Other scientists from other scientific institutions are now involved in the studies so that takes care of that. The authenticity of the mummies has been established through a number of scientific studies performed by a number of different specialists from Peru and around the world.


originally posted by: Outlier13
The "mummies" may actually be aged flesh and bone. Could be that someone went to great lengths to use bones from smaller animals to create the appearance of a mummified ET. Who knows. Even the researcher in these films says there are inconsistencies with the bone structures.

Here is a screen shot from a statement he makes in one of the short videos. Just before he makes the below statement he unequivocally states these are biological organisms. To go from making a statement were at one time biological to the statement he does not know if they are fake or real says a lot to me.


Dr. Salazar Vivanco (MD and Radiologist) has performed a number of scientific studies and tests on the mummies obtained by the Inkari Institute, and while he has sometimes expressed perplexity (who can blame him?) he has still concluded that the mummies are authentic biological entities with unaltered anatomical structures.
There are however other mummies from the tomb complex (not the ones subject of this thread and the studies performed on them) that seem to have been anatomically altered by the embalmers that mummified them.


originally posted by: Outlier13
Sorry but anything associated with Jaime Maussan is an automatic red flag to me.


Whatever. Assuming that something is fake because a journalist you don't like is covering the event is however an unscientific approach.


originally posted by: Outlier13
One last thing is this picture below. It just looks too conveniently classical alien to me.


Perhaps you should take that thought further and ask yourself where our classical idea of an alien comes from? If these guys look exactly like it, then what are the implications?



posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 06:08 AM
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originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: Heliocentric

One last thing is this picture below. It just looks too conveniently classical alien to me. It looks intentional. There may very well be a skull underneath, however, the exterior is what I am referring to.



So, yes, with anything and everything I do as much due diligence as I can before I reach a conclusion. I still want to believe this could be legitimate but honestly there needs to be a lot more data.


The data exists. It has not been released yet in video format.

Saying "it just looks too conveniently classical alien to me" is like having your cake and eating it. If it did NOT look alien, you would be saying that the body was a deformed human. But, as it DOES look alien, that's enough to make you suspicious? LOL. Where's the logic in that?

Saying that "It looks intentional" is simply expressing not an objective fact but your subjective wish for the body to be either a hoaxed fabrication or a deformed human, despite your stated pretence that you are willing to believe it's a legitimate alien. There's no skull underneath. X-rays would have revealed that. There is nothing there (except in your imagination) that suggests any deliberate attempt to make the skull look alien. The skull does look alien, as do the hands with three fingers - just as ancient South American paintings portrayed the gods. Perhaps that's because it IS alien.



posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 07:35 AM
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I recently wrote to tony Eccles of the British UFO Research association and he had this to say. Thought it would be worth sharing 😁



Thank you for contacting BUFORA. As you're aware the UFO subject is rather complex and multi-faceted and I'm unable to debate the field with you in an email. However, the subject does contain its fair share of dubious and deceptive characters so be careful what you read; not everything you read is a truth and what is perceived as a lie could actually be a truth, just one that some don't like to accept.

As for the alleged Nazca mummy it isn't real; it's a fake, like so many fakes that captures the hearts and minds of many in the UFO subject who just believe without questioning the substance. I've attached a link which will help you doubtfulnews.com...

Nazca “alien mummy” revealed in promotional video ...
doubtfulnews.com
There have been other hoaxed “mummies” and preserved aliens or creatures revealed as faked. It is easily conceivable that this is a carefully (or not so carefully ...
The important thing to consider about mummies on the Peruvian coast is the way that they are buried because every piece of information that accompanies the body is an important clue into understanding the interred individual. If the body was buried in this way then it would have been wrapped in textile and if there was anything important about the individual the body not only would have been wrapped in many layers of woven textile then the burial would have been accompanied by high status goods. These are lacking, in fact if this had been a genuine scientific find then these items would have been found as part of the mummy find. If this was the burial of an alien then the Nazca would have considered it a deity and would have treated the dead body as such. Therefore it wouldn't have just been buried with high status goods but it would have been placed in a highly decorated shrine. All of these things are missing, in fact, we are presented with just a body - and it doesn't make any sense.

I hope this is helpful to you,

Best wishes,

Tony Eccles
BUFORA researcher
a reply to: Heliocentric



posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: Bfletcher618

it is useless to post anything that shows this to be fake. even the one who claims to have found the hand and body admitting that he faked it all is not enough to deter the OP, whom i suspect has ties to Jamin and the Inkari Institute. or in fact is Jamin himself and not a retired archaeologist as claimed and is pushing the hoax so he can rake in the bucks.


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posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: Bfletcher618
I recently wrote to tony Eccles of the British UFO Research association and he had this to say. Thought it would be worth sharing 😁



Thank you for contacting BUFORA. As you're aware the UFO subject is rather complex and multi-faceted and I'm unable to debate the field with you in an email. However, the subject does contain its fair share of dubious and deceptive characters so be careful what you read; not everything you read is a truth and what is perceived as a lie could actually be a truth, just one that some don't like to accept.

As for the alleged Nazca mummy it isn't real; it's a fake, like so many fakes that captures the hearts and minds of many in the UFO subject who just believe without questioning the substance. I've attached a link which will help you doubtfulnews.com...

Nazca “alien mummy” revealed in promotional video ...
doubtfulnews.com
There have been other hoaxed “mummies” and preserved aliens or creatures revealed as faked. It is easily conceivable that this is a carefully (or not so carefully ...
The important thing to consider about mummies on the Peruvian coast is the way that they are buried because every piece of information that accompanies the body is an important clue into understanding the interred individual. If the body was buried in this way then it would have been wrapped in textile and if there was anything important about the individual the body not only would have been wrapped in many layers of woven textile then the burial would have been accompanied by high status goods. These are lacking, in fact if this had been a genuine scientific find then these items would have been found as part of the mummy find. If this was the burial of an alien then the Nazca would have considered it a deity and would have treated the dead body as such. Therefore it wouldn't have just been buried with high status goods but it would have been placed in a highly decorated shrine. All of these things are missing, in fact, we are presented with just a body - and it doesn't make any sense.

I hope this is helpful to you,

Best wishes,

Tony Eccles
BUFORA researcher
a reply to: Heliocentric



Thank you for the input Bfletcher618.I have no idea who Tony Eccles is. Has he participated in the recuperation of the mummies, or has he assisted one of the many scientific studies in Cusco? Has he done any type of serious, investigative journalistic work on the subject, has he seen the test results from the various laboratories that will be revealed the 11th?
If not, he's just another person who has made up his mind based on fragmentary and sometimes erroneous information retrieved from the internet.
It's kind of sad really, to see someone apparently pretending to be open minded on the subject of UFOs fail to show this discovery at least the benefit of the doubt - until he knows what he's talking about.

It's however an observation I've made during these last few months, that the most disbelief and preconceived opinions on the matter have come from so called UFO-researchers, and not the scientists implicated in the project.



posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Bfletcher618

it is useless to post anything that shows this to be fake. even the one who claims to have found the hand and body admitting that he faked it all is not enough to deter the OP, whom i suspect has ties to Jamin and the Inkari Institute. or in fact is Jamin himself and not a retired archaeologist as claimed and is pushing the hoax so he can rake in the bucks.



For the record, I'm not Thierry Jamin (Jamin does not feel easy speaking English - which is why all his videos are in French).

No need for suspicion, I do have ties to Jamin (I revealed them in my initial post) and I have worked to a lesser degree on the Inkari Institute's video presentation that will be revealed the 11th (which I've also stated).

Which is why I know more about this thing than you do. Hang around long enough and we'll see who's right.

The person "who claims to have found the hand and body admitting that he faked it" is pure misinformation. Do you even know who you're talking about?
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posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: Heliocentric

Believe what you want to believe. I choose to wait until there is substantiated and verified evidence. You are awfully defensive over something that is not even proven yet to be true and you do a disservice to the UFOlogy community.

It is people like you with your non-stop argument in the for column before actually obtaining concrete evidence. The negative approach of "You are wrong" is what validates the overall negative perception of the general public towards the UFOlogy community.

On a closing note I saw no where that Vivanco makes the statement the biological entities have "unaltered anatomical structures." If I missed that I would appreciate you telling me where on the video this occurs so I can rewatch.
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posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: micpsi

Your argument is fair and valid, however, the counter to that is simply you want to see an alien. At which point I can easily use the pareidolia argument. It's irrelevant to argue each individual's philosophical reasons behind an argument. That is what is subjective.

The video I watched showed a skeletal structure for the skull. What do you mean there is no skull underneath?



posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 12:31 PM
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im not believeing this, the last time i did an similar mistake was in the roswell slides thing and i still shriver just by thinking of it



posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 01:55 PM
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I recognise myself in that feeling, as many here probably as well. OP seams to be a good guy, however there are so many sceptics. Read the thread in Ancient Civilisations, Byrds anathonomy comment.

OP, please give us something more, I want to beleave.

a reply to: humanoidlord




posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: Heliocentric

Believe what you want to believe. I choose to wait until there is substantiated and verified evidence. You are awfully defensive over something that is not even proven yet to be true and you do a disservice to the UFOlogy community.


Funny you would say that, since it's what I've said from the beginning. Check the thread and read my posts.

My main objective with this thread was to establish that the mummies are authentic mummies, and I've so far seen enough scientific data to say that they are.
Whether they are aliens or escaped Oompa Loompas from Charlie's Chocolate Factory is for future studies to establish. I will adapt my beliefs to whatever the data says. The initial DNA results will be presented the 11th. However, it took science 10 years of quarrel before Homo floresiensis was accepted as a species, so should I guess at a similar scenario with Homo nascaiensis?

I'm sure the UFO community will survive the truth, whatever it is.


originally posted by: Themanxter
OP, please give us something more, I want to beleave.



The Alien Project will soon release one more video (before the 11th), and my guess is that it will show Victoria (the fourth mummy obtained by the Inkari Institute.

GaiaTV will produce three full length documentaries on the mummies. Thierry Jamin says that NatGeo is working on their documentary, it will come after the others.

Test results from 10 international laboratories will be presented. Two North American and one Mexican laboratory confirm the C-14 dating of the mummy Maria (1700 BP).

The 11th isn't far away.

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