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The one thing that would make things change?

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posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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The more I see the state of affairs in out govt the more I think the only way things will change is when corporations and the people want the same goals.

Lets take health care, I think we can all agree this is a big thing right now and for at least the last 15-20 years.
The only way we will get better and more cost effective health care is if the corps want it.



Why Won’t Corporate America Support Single Payer Medicare-for-All?
www.healthcare-now.org...
It’s about power. Corporations like having healthcare linked to employment. They like having people held captive in jobs they hate for fear they they’ll lose their health coverage.
They already have a plan to reduce healthcare costs.
(Like 401K) most large corporations have transferred all of the risks of providing retirement coverage onto their employees. This is their same plan for health insurance.


I guess mt point is that nothing will happen unless the corporations want it. One thing I have finally had to take at face value is that the people are not in control of out country.

Pensions went away, and I would prefer that to a 401K. The company I worked for had a meeting with it's employees, and "said surprise you have 401K instead of a pension". If you are not 50yrs old with 15 years with the co you win the booby prize or a 401K and the company pension (and health care in retirement) is now not an option.



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posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: seasonal

Hang on, I hit the wrong button.


The friggin suspense is killing me.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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Wait, wait, wait ...

"Edit" edit is the thing that would makes things change. I use it all the time.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: seasonal


Brilliant! I should have thought of it myself!



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:45 AM
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If it's that big red button then things will change in a BIG way!

Warmest

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posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

For me, winning a 500 million powerball would make things change.....

For my world anyway.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: seasonal

For me, winning a 500 million powerball would make things change.....

For my world anyway.


Oh, why so much?

I think even just a million would create some very big changes in our lives. Just cancelling the mortgage with it and setting up some retirement funds to cushion what we already have would be a big weight off our shoulders and free up some nice funds.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:54 AM
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The Emperor of the Known Universe finally and officially welcomes the Earth into the League of Planets. Maybe things will change then...



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

The problem with a pension is that a lot of companies are discovering that it's very hard to guarantee them for as long as people live after retirement. You retire at 65 (or sooner) and that's 20+ years a company could be on the hook caring for you after you are no longer working for them.

It's not that you shouldn't have some provision, but it's very hard to plan for.

Those state, local, and even federal governments that pension? Yeah, part of the enormous debt they carry is because of the pensions they guarantee. Their funds don't carry a rate of return to back the promise made to the employees. So those governments go deeper and deeper into debt.

Governments think they can borrow and tax endlessly to cover that. Private entities aren't nearly as "lucky," but math doesn't change for governments either and someday, the can won't be kicked.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Ok, ok. I wish I hadn't hit the enter button on my keyboard...This went from a possible thread that I was kicking around posting to one that I 100% am going to post because I just did.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: seasonal


The more I see the state of affairs in out govt the more I think the only way things will change is when corporations and the people want the same goals.


That will never happen. Corporations have one purpose by law: maximum profit for their shareholders. People are not and cannot be so easily defined and focused.

Things will change when the people have more power than the corporations -- and government.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

And the other problem with pensions were the companies that were and are doing fine hopped on the no pension boat to save $$$$. The pension system had nothing to do with threatening the viability of the company, it was a money saving tactic.

Everything is a cost, and if the bottom line can be fattened it will be.
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posted on May, 7 2017 @ 10:21 AM
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The thing that drove up the price of medical care is the ageing baby boomers.

old people need more medical care and the healthcare industry saw a way to make huge profits.

when the baby boomers die off the pool of potential customers will become much smaller and shallower.The competition for customers will force the cost of healthcare down as doctors and hospitals have to compete for customers.

perhaps this is another reason why some politicians and their corporate overlords are trying to flood the country with illegals?
a huge segment (old baby boomers) of the healthcare industries customers will be gone in the next 10-20 years and they might be trying to replace those customers with new ,generally unhealthy, customers from 3rd world countries.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 10:24 AM
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The more I see the state of affairs in out govt the more I think the only way things will change is when corporations and the people want the same goals.


I agree with this, and it's exactly why I purposely did not attend college. I am willing to get a master's degree, if my employer pays for the costs of the degree while learning the ropes at the job... it's the wisest way to build training and education simultaneously.

Corporate sectors should fund American higher learning centers. Let the fees that are paid and service that are offered to students get worked out between the 2 entities that use the product on the front and back ends.

The benefits are multifaceted: the released debt burden of at least $100,000 or greater to the student allows for savings to happen soon after starting college. Maybe the new graduates intern for meager salaries while getting their employer offered degree and work experience? A person is more willing to enjoy their work when they aren't hitting the alarm clock just to pay back debt... the learning tree allows for passions to thrive. This helps employers, because it lessens the pool of dead weight employees naturally... not only are employers choosing who they want at a higher rate, but the employees more than likely WANT to be there, and don't go because they HAVE to.

To throw a crap shot into a realm of degrees, without specific goals, is not wise for both individuals and corporations alike. Until the debt system of paying back a chosen career path for 20 years plus, after the fact... is a huge stall to maximizing the bang for the bucks by both corporations and degree dwellers.

Obviously this does not speak for people who obtain degrees under terms of a scholarship. Well, maybe these people start out with higher salaries because their schooling was already paid for? Either way, to snatch a paid degree without a specific goal in mind is purely becoming to be a slave system of factory workers that stay stuck to feed the network of debts.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: Tardacus

You are 99.99% right about all your statements, and you make great points.

Here's some thought on why I agree with you so much: the wellness industry. Each year, there are billions of dollars spent outside the healthcare system that in place for the sole intent to avoid the channels of the healthcare industry. For instance, I will refuse doctor care unless something is falling off, or I am about to die. I eat organic foods, avoid fast food places, spend around $200-$300 on personal health aids that aren't covered under insurance policies. Not only are they not covered, but we don't see people that spend money on health of their own expense see reduced premiums. Why should the premiums be the same if the health choices are continuously in poor choice?

There should be a system of write offs for a great deal of these personal health options. But you're right... anybody not on the vaccine/pill train is a cancerous aspect to who will feed the pill networks in 20 years. They already know the boomers will be a non factor.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: ttobban

Right on, I went to community college and took the required classes to get promoted in skilled trades. It was a partnership between me and the company.

I try to tell my kids that the real money is working with your brain first then your hands-plumbers-HVAC-custom whatever-even computer programming, although the computer stuff maybe automated.
I can't see a robot crawling into a crawl space and fixing a sewage leak or walking on a roof to see what the hell is going on with the vent in the next 20 years. Could be wrong.
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posted on May, 7 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: ttobban

Be careful what you wish for.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: seasonal


Brilliant! I should have thought of it myself!



I can't see if this is sarcastic or not. If so I can see why and if not I can see why....



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

The problem for corporate entities with feeding passion within their employees is that deep down they know it'll be encouraging the freedoms of knowledge and a little extra money in the pocket... which will end up creating competitors for themselves. It might be a hit to the long term stability of their employee field, but hiring within the slave network provides a stability that at least will have warm bodies showing up to work... plus they aren't in debt to the degree that was bought by the slave operator.

By avoiding the college slave networks, I learned to spend time in search of consumers... not pay checks. I don't hold debt beyond my house, and even that is halfway paid off. Most people with degrees that are 20 years removed from high school are still living check to check. Hell... 76% of Americans are living check to check right now... in large part due to what I am talking about. The more we see our shopping districts turn into corporate cookie cutter molds, the more we will see the reduction in passions being lived to their full potentials.

I personally wouldn't hire someone with college debt. I'd be willing to pay for training to those that show a strong passion... even though I know they'd likely move on one day to pursue bigger and better things, at least a bond of passion is created... one of which is more valuable than money is, any day. People that are a cog in the wheel to the system overall are always welcomed to work around me.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: ttobban

I agree, I see (usually not in skilled trades) the office workers and man, I would not want to sit in meeting after meeting about challenges (problems) that will ultimately be solved with a wave of a vice presidents hand anyway.

The schools are there to create college consumers.



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