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originally posted by: BrianFlanders
All they care about is weed. If their buddy gets busted for selling pot to a 12 year old they think it's the worst injustice in history.
originally posted by: TinySickTears
originally posted by: pteridine
While this is the general propaganda from the puffers, it is not true. People who dope do dumber things than just dope, so more than a few have died due to MJ. There is also some evidence of long term ill effects from those who have not outgrown their addiction.
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and thats not propaganda?
so the mj caused them to die? the mj caused them to do other things that caused them to die?
and about any possible long term negatives.....so what?
wouldnt that be my problem and not yours?
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: pteridine
I think there is a point to what your saying but it's a bit over stated. We have a pandemic of obesity from sugar, cancer and heart disease from food addetitves, pesticides, and about 50 percent of drug trials are fabricated. I can source any of that the latter in from the NEJM.
Expecting the fda to their job is unfortunately a pipe dream. No pun intended.
Edit meant to say 50 percent are false when retried. Up 30 percent are purposely fabricated to make up research cost.
originally posted by: TinySickTears
originally posted by: BrianFlanders
All they care about is weed. If their buddy gets busted for selling pot to a 12 year old they think it's the worst injustice in history.
i dont feel that way.
i guess i am the only one huh
originally posted by: FuggleHop
a reply to: luthier
No, it's true. Athletes or not. Mary Jane rotten teeth dulls ones aptitude for critcal thinking.
Thats why weed smokers beleieve so much dumb stuff.
Bacon may be addictive but it is not a drug. We should stick with drugs.
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: pteridine
It's reasonable. People who care do know already same as those other problems I mentioned.
I don't eat much sugar for instance.
My objection is that any of those things you mentioned should not hold up the regulation process. It sure isn't stopping soda companies pumping out soda to have studies come out on sugar.
Of coarse the info should be out there.
Drugs should be regulated by their toxicology and physical addictive nature. When you get into other areas your loosing any real scale or control. The information should be there for the public but its totally separate from regulation.
It is more than obvious Marijuana is much less harmful and less addictive than a plethora of legal things.
Just pointing out these are two separate things.
Eating bacon every day is also bad for you. That doesn't stop it from being sold. Should it?
Probably not. But the public should know first of artificially preserved bacon is a carcinogen and natural bacon is full of sodium and fat.
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: jtma508
a reply to: DAVID64
Do tell me smarter-than-everyone-else David. What leader did I want?
If Trump hadn't won , who would have won? (Hillary supporters had a hard time admitting that he did win).
The big question is... Was Hillary on the record supporting the legalization of marijuana?
I am asking as a non user that supports the legalization if all drugs.
I don't know about u I will smoke regardless.and sessions dosn't have the money in his budget especially with the heroin epidemic
originally posted by: jtma508
Yup. Most of us could see it coming a long time ago. Trump and his bitch Sessions are getting ready for The War on Drugs: Redux. State's rights doesn't mean anything to Trump. The Constitution appears to be just an inconvenient relic left over from people who weren't as smart as he is. Despite some signs Sessions was going to look the other way, that apparently is anything but the administration's intentions. Seems Trump feels that limits on Presidential powers are only for other Presidents:
Trump also suggested he may ignore gender and racial preferences in some government programs as well as congressional requirements for advance notice before taking a range of foreign policy and military actions.
And on Weed:
President Donald Trump signaled he may ignore a congressional ban on interfering with state medical marijuana laws, arguing in a lengthy statement that he isn’t legally bound by a series of limits lawmakers imposed on him.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions has vowed to crack down on marijuana and has dismissed arguments for its medical use as “desperate.”
“I reject the idea that we’re going to be better placed if we have more marijuana,” Sessions said in a speech to law-enforcement officials in March. “It’s not a healthy substance, particularly for young people.”
Maybe you aren't personally a supporter of legalized weed but the fact is, you all crow about the Constitution and 'State's Rights' but you've elected someone that sees himself more as a King than a president. Nice work guys. Thanks for being so discerning in your political support. What's next? Prison camps for long hair?
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: pteridine
I already mentioned that it should have the same guidelines as alcohol, tobacco, caffeine etc and what ever else you consider or can classify as a drug.
I mean if the chief editor of the nejm says half the drug company studies are false why are you so worried about marijuana.
Marijuana should require a person to be accountable for their actions just like anything else. But they also shouldn't use a piss test or assume metabolites are a cause. Their are plenty of ways to check for thc in blood and possibly the breathlizer is becoming a reality.
All of this applies to toxicology right? I already stated it very simply.
Marijuana should be treated like anything else that would cause your judgement to be altered while operating machinery. Is there a field test probably.
Again I don't understand your concept of safety or what your consider a drug.
Is sugar a drug? Is sure alters my kids behaviour. It is toxic, is linked to many diseases, it can kill you if you eat enough... Is your goal a moral legislation or to save people lives? Or frankly to protect your own.
We have a social contract we should all abided by it. The act of Marijuana being illegal is what keeps all the regulations your talking about from happening. People in illegal states still drive wasted.
originally posted by: FuggleHop
a reply to: jtma508
Wow such a long thread from so many proponents of weed. I'm amazed they can stay awake so long to argue so much.
Really though weed is a scourge and the sooner its banned the better.