5 de Mayo Celebration shadowed by an Hostile political Conspiracy Against Mexico

The peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers

5 de Mayo no doubt is an important Mexican Holiday, but there are misconceptions on its true meaning. It was not the day of the Mexican Independence, the country was long time independent from Spain when the fact happened.

The day celebrates the battle of 1862 that was won by the Mexican Liberal troops leaded by a Texan General ( Ignacio Zaragoza) and the Mexican one General Porfirio Diaz against the French Imperial Army leaded by Mayor General Charles Ferdinand Latrille, Comte de Lorencez in Puebla, Mexico.

The war is treated by the liberals as an European invasion to the country, but by the conservative Mexicans was a civil war already in course since 1857 in which United States supported the liberal side leaded by Judge Benito Juarez and France interfered to help the conservative one supporting General Miguel Miramon. Both Politicians claimed to be the legitimate President of Mexico.

The importance is meaningful for the History of the partnership in between America and Mexico. France was defeated in the battle but just temporally , less than a year after that Mexico city was sieged and took by another French army. It took another 5 years to finish the civil war and by that time Zaragoza was already dead, who finally won it was General Porfirio Diaz.

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Historians agreed that the terrible civil war from 1857 to 1867 called initially the Reforma War and at its ending the French intervention war, that took probably up to a million lives in Mexico was one of the extremely high prices Mexican had paid for their neighbor condition to the United States.

The war was used by the French Emperor Napoleon IIIth as a platform to try to help the confederate States to win their secession war in America. In that sense was an internationally boosted conflict where the Mexicans were forced to fight among themselves basically to try to influence in one or other direction the outcome of the American Civil war.

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It was in that aspect not the last time that Mexico was going to be agitaded internally due to its neighborhood with America, the Mexican Revolution in between 1910 and 1916 it is also considered by scholars as a conflict fired from abroad to test in Mexico the military technology that later was going to be used in world war I.

Porfirio Diaz political fall in 1910 and Victoriano Huerta regime collapse in 1916, that costed about two million lives, were caused by the confrontation of European and American interests into align politically Mexico in one of the sides that were going to fight later the first mega international conflict of the XX century.

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5 de Mayo was Not publicly celebrated this 2017 in Philadelphia and in some other major cities of America with the traditional parades, in more than a century.

This historic negative unprecedented spot in the relationship aming the two nations is due to the hostility than the Mexican Americans feel from an Administration that launched a so much unfair brain Washing political campaign discrediting Mexico to arrive to power.

The executive order to rise an artificially created wall in between the countries we all know that was released in the first 100 days of this administration has been perceived as an evidence of its work in to undermine the Historic good relationship that has existed among the two nations.

Mexicans and Mexican-Americans feel that the physical wall proposed is just the materialization of the wall of untrust, malice and enmity that who is today in charge of the oval office has created with an irresponsible rhetoric to try to divide two nations that had been linked historically in good terms.

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One thing it is very clear this is the very first time in 16 years that the White house had not arranged any official acts to show sympathy toward a nation that has been a crucial Ally of the United States in various important historic chapters of the bilateral relationship.

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Thanks for your attention

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Very good information about the 5 de Mayo. The rest is not.

times change. its like having a good friend for years that is having some hard luck so u let them move in and sleep on your couch. starts off good and as the weeks roll on they are now lounging around not trying to pick themselves up off their feet. then they start eating your food, pissing on the bathroom floor, wearing your clothes, etc. eventually u have to get hard and toss them out cause they have taken your generosity for granted.

originally posted by: The angel of light
The peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers


Mexicans and Mexican-Americans feel that the physical wall proposed is just the materialization of the wall of untrust, malice and enmity that who is today in charge of the oval office has created with an irresponsible rhetoric to try to divide two nations that had been linked historically in good terms.

One thing it is very clear this is the very first time in 16 years that the White house had not arranged any official acts to show sympathy toward a nation that has been a crucial Ally of the United States in various important historic chapters of the bilateral relationship.

Thanks for your attention

The Angel of Lightness

Our border is inundated with undocumented persons, mostly young males, of unknown origin and history. no country allows unrestricted immigration. there is a very real concern that criminals, even terrorists, are entering the US through Mexico.
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Islamic terror cells have reportedly been shifting from the Middle East to the United-States-Mexico border in order to wage jihad on America, which many Islamic militants refer to as “the Great Satan.”

According to Jihad Watch (JW), the Muslim militants are partnering with Mexican drug cartels as they prepare to inflict precision attacks on strategic cities across the border in America. The government watchdog obtained its information about the movement from confidential American and Mexican law enforcement sources – data that corroborates its earlier findings that jihadists are exploiting President Barack Obama’s lenient border policies.

also; the Mexican government is unbelievably corrupt and allows massive drug trafficking.
sealing the US/Mexico border is a highly desirable action, reducing uncontrolled immigration and squeezing the flow of drugs.
if Mexico doesn't like it they can clean their own house up first.

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Mexican cartels fight for the lucrative corridors into the U.S. and the turf they win extends deep into both countries. The Drug Enforcement Administration’s maps give a general overview of which regions specific groups control and the U.S. can be seen broken up into Mexican cartel turf. From the Tijuana Cartel south of San Diego all the way to the Gulf Cartel south of Texas along the Gulf of Mexico, each region is controlled by organized crime group factions operating under the banner of a Mexican “cartel.”

a reply to: ElGoobero

Those are absolutely false statements, part of the campaign of misinformation the thread is exposing.

It does not surprise me at all, in just 100 days in power the current administration is already infamous to create alternative History, you can find dozens of journalist works exposing that pathogical taste for lying and distort facts!

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Alternat ive History, the dangerous byproduct of fake facts

The own official and independent statistics show the illegal migration fell to absolute minimum levels in History during the Obama administration.

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The previous administration alone deported more illegal immigrants than all the other together in History.

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The problem of narcotraffic is affecting at least other fifty countries around the world that
are part of the maritime and air pathways used to trade illegal drugs to the USA.

Vietnam, Iran and Cuba were inundated of narco traffic to supply our uncontrolled demand for drugs before those countries perform dramatic political Revolutions moving out of our sphere influence, today they are not considered countries under risk for drugs abuse, is that says you anything?

The war against maffias is just one more conflict Mexico is into thanks to be one of our neighbors, their principal problem is to be located next to the principal market of drug consumption in the world.

The lack of effective control of the demand is what is messing Mexico today, the fact that our own war against our domestic maffias is lost has transfered this social cancer to them, as well as it have already happened with other nations in the hemisphere before like Peru, Bahamas, Colombia, Brazil or Argentina.


Thousands of police officers, judges, soldiers and other government functionaries have paid with their lives their commitment to fight organized crime in Mexico. Your horrendous lie saying authorities are Not doing their job is against their human sacrifice that statistics can't hide.

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The supposed corruption you refer to is part of the cynical rhetoric used to demonise an entire country to justify racist profiling.

The racist profiling you are coming to support is not only against Mexico but toward all Latin America, it is undermining our image in the continent and creating more enemies around the world.

Canada has right now border regions, like British Columbia inundated of Marijuana among other drugs that is being trade into the USA to satisfy it's uncontrolled demand.


Just this week the President has said that he stands for cease federal funding and actions to stop legalization of Marijuana by the states, is that his commitment to preserve the mental health of the Americans?

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Can you imagen what will be to live in a nation where drivers could drive cars under the effect of pot?

Or where any person in possession of guns can carry and use them being under the effect of Marijuana?

Or the negstive effect on academic performance and emotional balance of adolescents or youngsters in schools or colleges consuming openly a stupefacient?

Stop with this absurd way to try to rewrite History and splash all the responsibility of our problems and corruption to other nations, that is a smog curtain created as a distraction sophisms by politicians that are focused only into carryout cryonism in office.

How many millions of private profit will represent to the construction companies that sponsored the last political campaign to build a Chinese wall at expense of the American tax payers ?

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: The angel of light
by the French Emperor Napoleon IIIth

the thirth??

a reply to: NobodiesNormal

Yes, Charles Louis Napoleon , called in History as Napoleon III, he was the nephiew of Napoleon Bonaparte, son of his brother Louis, who ruled with that title as Emperor of France, in respect to the memory of Napoleon's son with the Austrian Princess Marie Louise, who was also known in History by the title of King of Rome.

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Emperor Napoleon III of France

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

the article you linked refers to him 9 times as the "third" and never once mentions the "thirth" which it seems you have made up, did you just expect no one would follow the link and verify what you say and just believe you blindly? or perhaps you didnt read your own link and just espoused bs blindly? either way this does not bode well for readers confidence in your posts, if you could get something so simple and common as "third" vs "thirth" (IIIrd vs IIIth) wrongly then how can one expect you to get other details rightly. even the browsers own inbuilt spellchecker points out IIIth as wrong...

Charles-Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte was the third
Napoleon III's
Napoleon III

on the topic of mexico and their non existent border, UNLIKE you I DO wish peace upon those dwelling in the besieged border towns, they are the ones suffering most directly from the lack of border enforcement, they are experiencing everyday rapes and murder at the hands of illegals whom are deported repeatedly only to cross the border illegally again and commit crimes again, there are scores of them that have been deported dozens of times each time after committing violent crimes on legal residents, only to return and do it again. in this thread you speak AGAINST their defense, that is wrong.

a reply to: NobodiesNormal
Dear NobodiesNormal,

With all respect, I don't know what are your sources, but I wouldn't spend time discussing them if what they claim is that there is no border enforcement, that is pretty false, the border between USA and Mexico is one of the most patrolled from the two sides in the world, and it is by far the most surveilled in the Americas.

That is a huge misinformation on the subject and to justify such claims is not the same than to try to catch typos in other's writing.

If criminals really coming through the border had committed crimes and if the people that were victims of them really collaborated with the Justice they ought to be in federal prisons now, there is no other way can be, the official statistics don't lie.

Border Patrolling and Surveillance, Apprehensions Statistics

Thanks

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

It'll be okay.

The WORLD will go on.

a reply to: The angel of light

if a border is not effective in preventing massive amounts of illegal crossing then it isnt to be considered enforced, the fact that there is a level of border enforcement is irrelevant to the fact that it isnt enough,

an example to help you understand this, if you have a nightclub and a rule in place restricting any (w/e) lets say males, so only females are allowed into your nightclub, and your bouncer knows this and enforces it, however this nightclub has many backdoors which are not locked or guarded and many males regularly make their way through those backdoors into the nightclub, you then CAN NOT! say that you are enforcing the no male rule, just cause the bouncer at the front door is attempting to enforce it, does not mean it is enforced effectively when the backdoors are unguarded.

perhaps you would say our backdoors are guarded but it is to such a weak degree that it isnt enough to stop them getting in, once again that means they are not guarded, they are not enforced at all unless it is effective. ineffective enforcement is not enforcement...

sure your bouncer often makes his way into the club to grab some 5% of the rule breakers and toss them out, most of those of course make their way right back in through the same backdoors that are still not properly guarded. this would not be considered good enough enforcement by anyone with half a mind to comprehend logic.

no we do not always incarcerate into federal prisons illegal immigrants, sure some counties do, but many just deport them as they ought to, why should our economy be expected to fund via tax the incarceration of a criminal who is not even supposed to be in this country, our prisons are overcrowded enough as it is without being expected to always shelter the criminals of other countries too.

and pointing out a typo is one thing, but you attempted to defend that typo as if it were instead a factually accurate statement, that is entirely a different thing.

a reply to: NobodiesNormal


There are no massive amounts of illegal immigrants crossing the border, that is a chimera, it is absolutely and maliciously false.


As a matter of fact in the second term of the Obama administration we passed through a minimum historic of attempts to cross it.

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This is for the simple reason that in Latin America there is enough information of the so limited economic horizons that the great recession left back in the USA.

Who is going in his sane mind to risk his life crossing one of the most arid zones of the planet, where there is almost nothing to survive just to arrive to a land where there are no real opportunities, where is the reward to take such a danger?

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The rhetoric of the need of a gargantuan wall needs to create this misinformation to justify a so strong public funds Investment into private pockets that are planning to profit enormeously of a wall that is pretty much useless.

Now the wall idea also comes in a time in which there is s Maximun historic of Americans willing to emigrate to almost any possible destination.


If the people living in the border zone need disparately jobs to live instead to continue inflating this baloon of illegal Immigration artificial panic with more air decide to force the government to repatriate the capitals that are in China, Cayman Islands, Australia or New Zeland that would really solve the problems in America.

We can't sacrifice a lot of vital national interest projects by cutting public expenses in strategic areas just to solve temporally the unemployment issue of a peripheral region of the country.

The real reason to urge the construction of the wall is the need of to generate work in extremely depressed areas of the border, primarily in Arizona.

The Angel of Lightness

so my sources are false but CNN and The Atlantic are reliable???

do you deny the flood of uncontrolled and unknown immigrants the last eight or so years?

sure, Obama deported a bunch, and he allowed a whole lot more to remain. and they never would have come here in the first place if they hadn't been so sure of getting in thanks to lax enforcement.

accusing Mexico of being corrupted by the cartels isn't racist, its documented fact.

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When a heavily armed and well-funded group fights to actively reduce the authority of the state, that's not a criminal enterprise. That's an insurgency. Mexico is not going to be able to truly gain ground against the cartels until it acknowledges that it's now fighting an insurgency. Just because the cartels are driven by money instead of ideology -- as with, say, the Taliban -- doesn't mean they can't use similar tactics and pose a similar threat.

it's in The Atlantic, so it must be true, right?

a reply to: ElGoobero

No, it is clear that you don't even understand what is the point here, this is not a contest of which media you want to pick up, it is of to trust the official statistics that show what has been the performance of illegal immigration along the last sixteen years.

First at all, Insurgence does not mean that they have a political valid discourse or reason to be in a fight against the State, specially when they are subverting a country that is under democracy, second in the best of the cases those criminal and terrorist activities are what is called subversion.

Subversion of countries under the rule of Law and Democracy is a criminal activity, any organizations around the world that have practiced it are labeled as international recognized terrorist groups, like the Irish Republican Army, The ETA in Spain and France, or the Red Brigades, Camorra or Mafia in Italy or Farc in Colombia.

The Mexican State is handling this in a similar way that Italy, Spain, France, Britain and Colombia had done before confronted their own internal subversion. That is professional way to combat crime and deserves our respect and support.

It is not an intelligent strategy to turn our backs to that effort and start to plan how are we going to create a fortress to protect ourselves in case those cartiers take control of Mexico, that is pretty much a coward and irresponsible approach.

We can't let Mexican legal institutions to be sieged by those criminal organizations, our responsibility is to help the Mexican State to face them and to defeat them, for the simple reason that their criminals are subverting there with resources that are coming from here, it is our internal mafia that have been controlling the distribution of drugs in America since 1920s the one that is providing arms, bullets, any kind of weapons to those criminals acting in Mexico.

What America must ask to this administration is not to do a wall of irresponsibility that basically shows how low is our commitment to help our alies and so our faith in that Mexican Government can defeat organized crime, but to start to dismantle here the organizations that are distributed illicit drugs in every city, as well as doing money laundry, that is what must be a correct and professional political attitude from our side.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Mexico's biggest problems are its own economy and the cartels that constantly subvert rule of law, and a corrupt government that can't control these things.

and you're worried about the US wall???
its much more fun and easy to point at the mean old gringo Republicans, than look inward and try to fix one's own house.

a reply to: The angel of light

Are you hispanic?I think not,pretty much the only place Cinco De Mayo is observed is in the US,an excuse for partying,if you knew many hispanics from Mexico you would know it isn't a big celebration there,commercialized holiday,not unlike St Patricks day

a reply to: Oldtimer2

I see that You believe to know a lot of Mexican culture, but your post reflects terrible ignorance.

5 de Mayo is one of the main celebrations in the calendar of Mexican Holidays and it has been in that way since 19th century. Only September 14,15 and 16 are more important than them.

Ask any Mexican if he knows or celebrates the day of the Mexican Revolution? and compare with how many knows or celebrates 5 de Mayo and you probably are going to see how wrong is your point.

No more comments from my side about such an absurd statement.

The Angel of Lightness