EYE-OPENER..Universal HealthCare In America Would Be Surprisingly Inexpensive.!

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: infolurker

For 2016 in Canada it was about 228 billion..roughly 11% GDP

Sounds about right... Canada has about 36 million people and The US has almost 10 times that. Plus we artificially limit the number of Doctors every year so there is an artificial shortage. 3 Trillion a year makes sense.

All we have to do is double income tax and social security tax to pay for it

The cost of "universal healthcare" at current rates is more than ALL income taxes collected.

www.usgovernmentrevenue.com...

Total Government Revenue
in the United States
Federal, State, and Local
Fiscal Year 2017
Income Taxes $2.6 trillion
Social Insurance Taxes $2.0 trillion
Ad valorem Taxes $1.4 trillion
Fees and Charges $0.5 trillion
Business and Other Revenue $0.5 trillion
Balance
Total Direct Revenue $7.0 trillion

a reply to: infolurker

Yea but bro it's a "right" so the rich should have to 90% tax so that we can have "free" Healthcare 😂

a reply to: carewemust

Your numbers don't even come close btw:


www.cms.gov...

NHE Fact Sheet (National Health Expenditure)

Historical NHE, 2015:


NHE grew 5.8% to $3.2 trillion in 2015, or $9,990 per person, and accounted for 17.8% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

Medicare spending grew 4.5% to $646.2 billion in 2015, or 20 percent of total NHE.

Medicaid spending grew 9.7% to $545.1 billion in 2015, or 17 percent of total NHE.

Private health insurance spending grew 7.2% to $1,072.1 billion in 2015, or 33 percent of total NHE.

Out of pocket spending grew 2.6% to $338.1 billion in 2015, or 11 percent of total NHE.

Hospital expenditures grew 5.6% to $1,036.1 billion in 2015, faster than the 4.6% growth in 2014.

Physician and clinical services expenditures grew 6.3% to $634.9 billion in 2015, a faster growth than the 4.8% in 2014.

Prescription drug spending increased 9.0% to $324.6 billion in 2015, slower than the 12.4% growth in 2014.

The largest shares of total health spending were sponsored by the federal government (28.7 percent) and the households (27.7 percent). The private business share of health spending accounted for 19.9 percent of total health care spending, state and local governments accounted for 17.1 percent, and other private revenues accounted for 6.7 percent.

Now, pay particular attention to Medicaid, The worst form of healthcare coverage. See that price tag?

Medicaid spending grew 9.7% to $545.1 billion in 2015, or 17 percent of total NHE.

www.statista.com...

There were 68.9 million on Medicaid which is about 21% of the population at a cost of $545.1 billion in 2015. Now, for quick math, if we gave everyone crappy Medicaid, times that cost by 5... or about 2.7 Trillion for the worst plan available. Yay, we get crappy Medicaid for 2.7 Trillion (actually more) in costs. (Also, the high cost people are on Medicare)

Now, how many Billions are the insurance companies getting from Medicaid?


Also, Seniors and the Disabled are currently on Medicare. Factor those costs in and it is even more expensive.

originally posted by: carewemust
May 6, 2017

With the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare) collapsing, and the flawed American Health Care Act being proposed to take its place, it seems that now is a good time to seriously consider taxpayer-funded Universal HealthCare for the United States of America.

Considering....

Considering...

No.

a reply to: carewemust

This is what people lose sight of. Actual medical care is a service provided by people, not a good in many cases.

In order to make that service your right, you are attempting to enslave an entire group of people to you to service you because you don't want to be responsible to pay them for their services.

a reply to: chr0naut

But thats probably not going to happen.

a reply to: Charlyboy

Unlike America, Britain, australia, "France", aren't #1.

America is.

a reply to: Salander

Unfortunately military spending has to be the way it is because no other country is capable of defending theirself.

America is the only country in the world that tries to keep the world peaceful.

And that's expensive. ANd I'd say its more important than paying the healthcare for some unemployed layabout.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: carewemust

This is what people lose sight of. Actual medical care is a service provided by people, not a good in many cases.

In order to make that service your right, you are attempting to enslave an entire group of people to you to service you because you don't want to be responsible to pay them for their services.

You know, we could cut cost by passing a Progressive law stating that a Doctor can only make 100K a year! And a nurse maybe 45K? Pharmacist knock down to about 50k?

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: carewemust

This is what people lose sight of. Actual medical care is a service provided by people, not a good in many cases.

In order to make that service your right, you are attempting to enslave an entire group of people to you to service you because you don't want to be responsible to pay them for their services.

You know, we could cut cost by passing a Progressive law stating that a Doctor can only make 100K a year! And a nurse maybe 45K? Pharmacist knock down to about 50k?

And then watch the quality of care go right down the tubes.

originally posted by: FuggleHop
a reply to: Charlyboy

Unlike America, Britain, australia, "France", aren't #1.

America is.

Number 1 at what exactly??

a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

Number 1 at being the best, obviously.

a reply to: doobydoll

Same in Canada, booze and smokes are taxed pretty heavy..they say most goes into health care, lotteries too.

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: carewemust

This is what people lose sight of. Actual medical care is a service provided by people, not a good in many cases.

In order to make that service your right, you are attempting to enslave an entire group of people to you to service you because you don't want to be responsible to pay them for their services.

You know, we could cut cost by passing a Progressive law stating that a Doctor can only make 100K a year! And a nurse maybe 45K? Pharmacist knock down to about 50k?

And then watch the quality of care go right down the tubes.

Hey, that will happen anyway if everyone is on crappy Medicaid.

a reply to: infolurker


For a family of 4 who is already paying $18,000 a year in health insurance premiums, (and has a $12,000 family deductible), I bet that family would pay LESS than that in taxes for Universal Healthcare..and not have anywhere near a $12,000 deductible.

originally posted by: FuggleHop
a reply to: Charlyboy

Unlike America, Britain, australia, "France", aren't #1.

America is.

# How?

You're Not the #1 fattest - that honour goes to Kuwait.

gazettereview.com...

You're not the #1 richest in terms of GDP, That's Qatar

www.forbes.com...

You're not #1 in terms of Economic Freedom, that's Hong Kong

www.heritage.org...

You're definitely not #1 overall, that is Switzerland.

www.usnews.com...

You're not even #1 for pollution - that's Pakistan

www.news.com.au... 0b7de940934

So, what was that you were saying about being top dog again?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: carewemust

In order to make that service your right, you are attempting to enslave an entire group of people to you to service you because you don't want to be responsible to pay them for their services.

We covered this off in the other thread about Australian Medicare.

How much money does a person need to earn? How many cars and servants does one need in life?

Our Doctors in Australia still drive Mercedes Benz and the likes. They still have fancy houses. We still have great medical research via our universities. And most importantly, they are definitely NOT slaves. In fact the average salary of surgeons ranges from just over $97,000 right through to $325,000 for these people. The average salary in Australia is just over $78,000. So they are earning well above average money.

www.payscale.com...=General_Surgeon/Salary

www.livingin-australia.com...

And remember, our TOTAL spend as a % of GDP on healthcare is almost half of America's 17.1% at 9.1%. New Zealand and UK are similar to Australia in total spend, using the same sort of universal system.

The issue is that the American medical establishment has developed a God complex and a terrible sense of entitlement. That and your system is run for profit meaning that you always pay more than the service actually costs so that you can line someone's pockets with cash.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: infolurker


For a family of 4 who is already paying $18,000 a year in health insurance premiums, (and has a $12,000 family deductible), I bet that family would pay LESS than that in taxes for Universal Healthcare..and not have anywhere near a $12,000 deductible.

And it costs that much again, why?

Hint: it rhymes with 'buhvurnment"

So by all means let's give government even more power over health care...

a reply to: infolurker

Nah, we just make them public servants like we have with teachers. We can see how well that has worked out for everyone!

We have the best education in the world, right? Right?

a reply to: markosity1973

And who gets to decide what one class of people "needs?"

And why do we decide suddenly that if someone wants to pursue medicine, the government gets to decide what they "need?"

When that happens, then no one wants to practice medicine anymore ... at least not the people you would want to actually practice medicine because people have trouble with the idea that everyone else gets to dictate what they "need" because the service they spent all those years learning how to provide is something that everyone else feels like they shouldn't have to pay for.

If you want your health care for "free," you go to medical school and provide it for yourself.