EYE-OPENER..Universal HealthCare In America Would Be Surprisingly Inexpensive.!

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: carewemust

We're they using government benefits or paying cash?

Cash in India. Insurance here in America (A Retirement Benefit).

a reply to: Phoenix


Before ObamaCare , a really good $10,000 deductible catastrophic plan for a 50 year old was $200 a month. Now, with ObamaCare protecting helpless naïve consumers, the highest deductible we can get is $7,100...for $550 a month.

a reply to: Salander

Do you have any proof? Any sources? Links? Or is that just speculation and wild theorizing?

a reply to: FuggleHop

Everything I've learned in my life, only a part of it came by way of the internet. For me, there was a time before the internet, and my father was in the healthcare business before there was the internet. So apologies for no links, I offered only an opinion.

a reply to: carewemust

In theory I agree. However, in reality any savings discovered in a universal healthcare plan will simply be offset with additional charges somewhere else. When insurance companies are driving doctors out of the business with the cost of malpractice premiums healthcare will always cost too much. When big pharma has as much control as they have now healthcare will always cost too much. When politicians get to create two systems, one for themselves and one for the rest of us, healthcare will always cost too much. When insurance companies dictate the method of diagnostics and treatment, healthcare will always cost too much.

It doesn't matter what plan someone comes up with. Greed and stupidity will corrupt it long before its benefits ever reach the people it is intended to serve.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Are you implying that this greed does not occur in other countries where people are happy with their Universal Health Care?

It definitely needs to happen. I laugh when I see people say they don't want their taxes to go to pay other peoples healtcare. Well it already does. Your tax money goes into medicaid and medicare and your tax money goes to Exxon and Mobile and Haliburton and to pay Obama's retirement and it pays for Trumps Golf Trips and it pays Nancy Pelosi's pay check and it pays Capital one and Morgan Stanley and it pays for for War in Foreign Countries for Oil and it pays for bombs in Israel.

I've paid income taxes and sales taxes and insurance premiums for Decades. I'd like MY money to go to universal Health care instead of most of that other crap.

a reply to: Salander

Apology accepted. Life is about living and learning.

a reply to: amazing

Americans are so accustomed to having our individual freedoms, that it's going to be impossible to please everyone. No matter which plan is implemented, some people are going to die. People on Medicaid are dying now, due to too many patients and not enough doctors.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Are you implying that this greed does not occur in other countries where people are happy with their Universal Health Care?

Of course greed is not unique to the US. But the US is a perfect storm of conditions in which healthcare can be overwhelming for the average citizen. For example, big pharma charges $500 for a prescription in the US and charges $5 for the same prescription in other countries. It is in the US that big pharma and their lobbyists are deepest in the pockets of the politicians. And while no politician is a glowing beacon of moral and ethical purity the US seems to have cornered the market on the most despicable of the lot.

We have much more to overcome than simply devising a healthcare system that is fair and equitable. And, as I stated earlier, any such system we do manage to create will be corrupted before it ever reaches the people it is meant to serve.

25% of Canada's system runs on donations.

They are Tax deductible.

Are there actually any Republican's here? You know? Rich ones?

Why don't we do this?? Why do we donate to crazy things instead?

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Are you implying that this greed does not occur in other countries where people are happy with their Universal Health Care?

We have much more to overcome than simply devising a healthcare system that is fair and equitable. And, as I stated earlier, any such system we do manage to create will be corrupted before it ever reaches the people it is meant to serve.

So, the natural follow-up question is: What do you think will work here in the United States? Since we're talking quality of life, this is not something to take lightly.

a reply to: carewemust

Quality of life doesn't change in single payer, just how the bill is split. Fact is you still get THE BEST QUALITY, at THE CHEAPEST PRICES. Nothing about infrastructure changes...it's INSURANCE, we're not going to Russia style waiting in line for soup with every socialist strategy suggested. With this much hate, the irony is we even still have soup kitchens. Why don't you people advocate to shut that down instead?

Was watching Tosh.O and he was interviewing a Canadian that broke her pelvis, and comment "Oh, so you must have poor doctors then." - "No. Hahaha." She says as she looks down at her fractured pelvis "This was free too." -

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: amazing

Americans are so accustomed to having our individual freedoms, that it's going to be impossible to please everyone. No matter which plan is implemented, some people are going to die. People on Medicaid are dying now, due to too many patients and not enough doctors.

It's really funny though. We only care about Freedom when it comes to Health Insurance and Health Care.

We don't care about IRS, NSA spying on us, Patriot act, Militiraztion of our police force, Fema buying Millions of rounds of ammo, laws that make it harder to start a business and make us pay more fees, etc.

Why is freedom only brought up when we talk about Health care. That's pretty much idiotic. LOL

originally posted by: Mordekaiser
25% of Canada's system runs on donations.
They are Tax deductible.

Really? Howzat?

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Basically, their 'socially taxed' program can be donated to for a deductible instead. 25% of the money it gets is this money.

originally posted by: Mordekaiser
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Basically, their 'socially taxed' program can be donated to for a deductible instead. 25% of the money it gets is this money.

References, please.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

healthcarefunding.ca...

Canada`s healthcare system is predominately public, with 70% of healthcare funding coming from the public-sector and the remaining 30% from the private-sector (Canadian Institute for Health Information, 2013).

At a federal level, funds are allocated to provinces and territories via the Canadian Health and Social Transfer (CHST). Transfer payments are made as a combination of tax transfers and cash contributions.

originally posted by: Mordekaiser
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

healthcarefunding.ca...

Canada`s healthcare system is predominately public, with 70% of healthcare funding coming from the public-sector and the remaining 30% from the private-sector (Canadian Institute for Health Information, 2013).

At a federal level, funds are allocated to provinces and territories via the Canadian Health and Social Transfer (CHST). Transfer payments are made as a combination of tax transfers and cash contributions.

OK, thanks for that link as it clarifies just what is being referred to. If you follow the crumbs to this Infosheet, it breaks that down (2013 figures).

a) Hospitals represent 30% of the total dollars spent on health.
b) Spending on drugs represents 16% of total spending on health.
c) Spending on physicians accounts for 15% of total spending on health.

The 30% attributed to the private sector is made up 15% out-of-pocket,12% private insurance, 3% other. So, that's drugs and services not covered by the provincial plan (chiropractor, etc), but very often picked up in benefit plans offered by the employer, with varying degrees of coverage.

One might be interested in some further information from the same site: "Canada’s cost per person (US$4,522) is just more than half of what is spent on health care in the United States (US$8,508) and is similar to per person costs in countries such as Denmark, Austria and Germany."

May 11, 2017

In the U.S., you'd need some SERIOUS quality-control measures with the government-administered Universal Healthcare system.

Look what's happening with ObamaCare's MEDICAID right now! There must be CRIMINALS behind this...not just simple inefficiency.

""In a classic example of government waste, the taxpayer-funded program (Medicaid) that provides health insurance for the poor spends over $100 billion on “demonstrations” to promote the benefit that already covers millions of people nationwide. That’s an astounding 33% of Medicaid’s total federal budget for experiments and projects that supposedly help states test and evaluate new approaches to deliver the welfare benefit, which is already spread thin.""

Source: www.judicialwatch.org...

A lot of fixing and refining would be needed before America could use our current government infrastructure to administer a nationwide Universal Healthcare system.

-cwm