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The Joke Known as the AHCA (HR 1628)

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posted on May, 7 2017 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
The money needed to fund a proper assistance to pre-existing conditions is 100 billion they have 8 billion set aside for that


This is a national disgrace.

This country is a disgrace to humanity


Time to move to a country which is less of a disgrace then I suppose. Canada would be better. Would you be able to become a citizen there? I hear they only take the most upstanding of people unlike us.




posted on May, 7 2017 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: xuenchen

NPR and CSpan are great information and truthful.



NPR is left leaning. Cspan is more centric.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: CB328
Republicans are piles of crap that belong in a pooper scooper- not running our nation.
Thanks retards, I mean Trump voters.


Yeah, that really helps your cause. Keep calling them names for four years and then see what happens in the voting booth when no ones looking. No one is learning the lesson.
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posted on May, 7 2017 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: Throes

HAHA

Sounds like Republicans throwing names around and then being equally as butt hurt when the same tactics are thrown back at them. For example: Snowflakes.

Stupid.

No matter what side it comes from if it degrades into name calling every one involved is a dumb ass.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:00 PM
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Healthcare is pretty much the only thing Trump has done wrong since taking office. I'm not sure how much blame can be placed on him though, he has to work with Congress, and they are all bought and paid for, many by insurance companies. This plan can't be worse than Obamacare, but it certainly doesn't seem to be what we need.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
The money needed to fund a proper assistance to pre-existing conditions is 100 billion they have 8 billion set aside for that


This is a national disgrace.

This country is a disgrace to humanity


$100 Billion was earmarked for assisting those with pre-existing conditions. $8 Billion was added at the last minute, so that Congressman Upton (Michigan) and Congressman Long (Missouri) would vote for it.

The liberal MSM are tossing out that $8 billion figure, because they are too lazy to read the AHCA summary of the core bill.

At any rate, with no Medical Care cost-controls in place, or planned, the $138 Billion will most like be used up well short of the 10 years that it's intended to last.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 09:05 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

can you source that? because according to congress, you're full of crap.



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 07:41 AM
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I just watched on TV the facts and fallacies that are floating around about the new health care by the Democrats.

First of all, this what was explained.

Pre existing condition treatment is protected by the law and will still be protected.

Plain and simple, nothing to see anymore, the law will not change on that.

Debate over.


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posted on May, 8 2017 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: Wayfarer
How can lib's not see how awful/evil socialized/universal healthcare is? I mean, why should even 1 cent of someone's hard earned money (its their money!) go to keeping someone other than themselves healthy? If people don't have enough money to afford American Healthcare (the best in the world - you get what you pay for) then they deserve to die. God's hand in all things pretty much spells out that those without enough money to afford it aren't destined by God to live, so why are we all fighting this?


Yeah, I'm glad to see you /sarc that one. It had me shaking my head.... the sad part is THAT'S REALLY HOW THE CONSERVATIVES THINK.

The Republican Party is sociopathic: If you didn’t know that already, the health care bill should make it clear

And they deserve each other. Day after day, they all gang up on those of us who give a toss about them and their kids, and make all sorts of ugliness the reading material du jour on ATS and all across the webz. They even leave their own mutual-adoration-society parties just to be abusive to liberals and to spread disinformation!! What FUN!!


On Thursday, Republicans in the House of Representatives voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act in order to give the richest Americans and corporations billions of dollars. To accomplish this, Republicans will deny tens of millions of Americans who have chronic and preexisting health problems access to affordable medical care.

The Republican Party’s plan to punish the sick and to kill the “useless eaters” has expanded its targets to include women who have been victims of sexual assault or domestic violence or suffered from post-partum depression.

The Republican plan will also hurt disabled people, senior citizens, new mothers, pregnant women, children in special education programs and babies.

It is estimated that at least 43,000 Americans a year will die if the Affordable Care Act is repealed.


This is quite literally the politics of life and death. Republicans in Congress have chosen to place their fingers on the scale in favor of the latter.


And they're fine with that. I'm healthy, and I've got insurance through my spouse's workplace, and I STILL want the poor and infirm to have care. That makes me a monster. Don'tcha know.



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posted on May, 8 2017 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: marg6043

Nobody said that preexisting conditions will no longer be covered. The problem is that the insurance companies will be able to charge more if you have a preexisting condition.

So while it may be illegal for insurance companies to deny you coverage based on a preexisting condition there's nothing stopping them from charging you an obscene amount for coverage. And in the end is there really much difference between denying someone coverage based on a preexisting condition and charging them so much that it's impossible to afford insurance?



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 05:02 PM
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Paul Krugman: Under Trumpcare, Millions Will Lose Coverage, Many Will Die—and the GOP Will Try to Blame It on Liberals


Krugman reminds us, "according to independent estimates of an earlier version of Trumpcare — people with incomes over $1 million would save an average of more than $50,000 a year.

" We must never lose sight of the fact that "there is a powerful faction within the G.O.P. for whom cutting taxes on the rich is more or less the only thing that matters."


Pause and take three very deep breaths, holding in each one for a count of four, then letting it out for a count of four. Rest for a count of four. Repeat.


Perhaps the worst part of this whole charade is that the people who trusted Trump the most, the white working class that the mainstream media fetishizes, are the ones who stand to lose the most.

And when it goes wrong, when the base loses its benefits and people can't go to the doctor and are in danger of dying, the GOP will find a way to blame it on liberals.


Krugman leaves us with a warning, one that those who think this will be an easy win for 2018 would do well to heed:

"What just happened on health care shouldn’t be treated as just another case of cynical political deal making. This was a Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength moment. And it may be the shape of things to come."

edit on 5/8/2017 by BuzzyWigs because: formatting



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: Throes


NPR is left leaning. Cspan is more centric.


NPR is intelligent. Whether that leans "left" or "right" has nothing to do with their integrity as a source for facts and in-depth analysis.

Cspan is "congress-cam". It gives no commentary, it doesn't edit, it doesn't try to sell us survival gear. It just shows us what is going on in DC. Not "centric." Just FACTUAL coverage, live, of what people are saying in our nation's Government.

Just like Trump's "tweets." They are there to see, no commentary required. They are what they are.



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

The Senate won't be sending this to the floor until the CBO assessment is complete. Several Republican Senators have even said they won't vote on it at all until the CBO report is complete and read.

As soon as the CBO is complete and published I hope the Senate kills it dead and tells the House Republicans to try again. I am skeptical of this happening, as the majority of the Senate Republicans minus Lindsey Graham and maybe Jeff Flake are more than happy to pass this thing just to get the tax cuts written into law.

Either way, it's probably going to be a month before they take it to the floor. Here's to hoping.



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: AnonyMason

Also Rand Paul. He's probably been the most vocal Repbulican who is against the bill.



posted on May, 8 2017 @ 05:23 PM
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Still wondering why any money needs to be put aside for pre existing conditions, like Cancer.

The whole idea for a pre existing conditions clause was to make sure that American Citizens who got sick can get health care coverage. Keep in mind that many of us pay insurance every month for our whole working lives. The Insurance companies aren't losing any money, trust me on that.

In my case, we have insurance my wife had cancer, she survived but it's a pre existing condition. it would be pretty bad if her current insurance company was able to drop her or if she was laid off and had to find another job, she would have to find a job with insurance that would cover her condition.

This isn't about you guys not wanting to pay for my wife to live. I've got money and we pay insurance and health care costs every month. I also pay lost of Taxes every year. I probably paid for some of your viagra and diabetes medication, you slackers. It's about can an insurance company deny coverage for my wife. An insurance company that makes billions of dollars of profits a year.

And coverage matters because it's the only way an American Citizen can afford healthcare when they're sick because of how expensive healthcare is in America.


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posted on May, 8 2017 @ 07:17 PM
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Yeah, I saw Jerry Moran talking about it. That they were going to start over, entirely, from scratch, and that what the lower chamber pushed through means nothing.

Have you ever watched the "floor debates"?



eegads


like 5th grade debate-team/public-speaking flunkies



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: AnonyMason


I am skeptical of this happening, as the majority of the Senate Republicans minus Lindsey Graham and maybe Jeff Flake are more than happy to pass this thing just to get the tax cuts written into law.

Either way, it's probably going to be a month before they take it to the floor. Here's to hoping.

According to my very-conservative Senator Jerry Moran (R-KS): What the House sent over really doesn't matter, and makes no difference. The Senate will start from scratch. Not to worry. The Senate is completely prepared to overhaul the whole thing. They are not going to allow 24 million people to lose their insurance.

Hell even Trump (dang, I wish we could use satirical names for him!) said "on my watch no one will die in the streets." Ha. The protests going on haven't slowed down. The Rep (Kevin Yoder, R-KS) for my district voted for that piece of crap gift to the wealthy, that slap in the face to the strugglers. He had to face protesters outside his office, and believe me he has received MORE THAN ONE castigatory email.





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posted on May, 9 2017 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Throes


NPR is left leaning. Cspan is more centric.


NPR is intelligent. Whether that leans "left" or "right" has nothing to do with their integrity as a source for facts and in-depth analysis.

Cspan is "congress-cam". It gives no commentary, it doesn't edit, it doesn't try to sell us survival gear. It just shows us what is going on in DC. Not "centric." Just FACTUAL coverage, live, of what people are saying in our nation's Government.

Just like Trump's "tweets." They are there to see, no commentary required. They are what they are.





NPR is intelligent? Gotcha. Lol If you want to consider liberal biased news reporting intelligent, sure. 😂

It's definitely more credible than CNN, I'll give you that.



posted on May, 9 2017 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: AnonyMason

Also Rand Paul. He's probably been the most vocal Repbulican who is against the bill.


America would be better off if more Senators were like Rand Paul. Fights for the freedoms and interests of all Americans on a daily basis.

This health care bill is not getting past the Senate. Fine by me.
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posted on May, 9 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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Why the U.S. pays more for health care than the rest of the world




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