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The Joke Known as the AHCA (HR 1628)

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posted on May, 5 2017 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

I would like to think the Senate would be more responsible but i have major doubts. This pile of garbage has been thrown on them and they will now bare the burden of creating something remotely usable for the citizens. Actually, doubt is not the right word. FEAR is a better word.

So far the only winners with this are the abundantly wealthy. OH! AND BIG PHARMA!

Yeah, it's true. Section 221 of the bill: Repeal of tax on prescription medications. Don't let the wording fool you, guys. The tax repeal won't actually affect the cost of medication. Instead, it's the chopping out of a fee that drug makers (big pharma) are responsible for paying in relation to how much insurance companies are spending on medication... meaning they get a tax cut to the tune of billions. The same goes for pushing back the enforcement of higher medical device taxes until 2020.

Here's the kicker. Depending on how those tax credits are paid out is going to affect the lower income brackets directly. Meaning the slack is going to be picked up by the working class and the elderly paying higher premiums. The actual amount may be more than people can afford essentially killing basic health care for the working and the poor.

Tax breaks for big insurance companies, tax breaks for big pharma, tax breaks for the wealthy, and the common people get to pay more or lose coverage.

I'm not sure what the Senate can do with it. If you polish a turd, its still a turd.




posted on May, 5 2017 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AnonyMason

Thanks to Obama and the cry for single-payer, socialized medicine, government is and will always be a part of the healthcare system in the US from now on.

I wish government would not have even touched it, but it's now too late.

Healthcare is not a right, but it sure as hell is an entitlement now.



Makes the 90's and the 00-08 look like a cream dream.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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a reply to: AnonyMason

They killed the individual mandate, its good enough for me!! Pundits said Obamacare would lower costs and premiums, and yet they skyrocketed over the course of it. Therefore I have to apply the doublespeak logic here. If Pundits are saying this bill will increase cost, I will be forced to assume costs will actually go down on precedent alone. I don't give a # either way, I have been uninsured for three years, and never paid the tax. At least now I can rest easy.

Besides, at least they kept coverage for pre-existing conditions. And it seems much responsibility has gone back to the states. GOOD.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:11 AM
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a reply to: AnonyMason

First of all, I don't like this new fix the same way I never like the entire Obamacaca

Second, People Medicaid is not a full insurance, Obama turned it into an insurance to come back and tell that poor Americans were under insurance in this Caca care, Medicaid was put in place originally as an emergency care, that is why many state opted out of the expansion and kept their own in state insurance for the poor in place, like my state of GA


States provide up to half of the funding for the Medicaid program. In some states, counties also contribute funds. Unlike the Medicare entitlement program, Medicaid is a means-tested, needs-based social welfare or social protection program rather than a social insurance program.


en.wikipedia.org...

So talking like Medicaid is an entitlement like Medicare it is not.

The entire GOP fix is a mess and it read like the Obama care did at the end, when people on mandate were getting the premiums jacked up by the insurance companies because they could

GOP fail me.


edit on 5-5-2017 by marg6043 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:16 AM
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a reply to: worldstarcountry

You must have read another bill. Pre-existing conditions will cost you more. You know, things like pregnancy, sleep apnea, acne, depression, anxiety, cancer, congestive heart failure, heart disease, obesity, pulmonary fibrosis.... take your pick.


Approximately 2.2 million enrollees in the individual market today have some form of pre-existing chronic condition


Proposed High Risk Pool Funding Likely Insufficient to Cover Insurance Needs for Individuals with Pre-Existing Conditions

Your Spock like logic is severely flawed.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: AnonyMason
I could really give a rat's ass. Not my problem anymore. Insurers are still required by law to not deny coverage for pre-existing conditions.

If they have to pay more so be it. The majority of pre existing conditions are a result of piss poor regard for ones health throughout a person's life. Like alcoholism, smoking tobacco, # diet, and lack of physical activity. Only a very small % is people born with conditions or cancers.

Moral of the story, take care of your damn body, you only live one life.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: AnonyMason


They only had nearly 7 years to come up with something better... And this is what they shove down our throats?


This is what really irritates me the most. They have made repealing (and replacing — at least the mainstream GOP — the Freedom Caucus wants a return to pre-Obamacare) the PPACA central to the GOP platform for seven years. Hell, many of the Obamacare fundamentals look a lot like some of the GOP bills from the 90's like the Health Equity and Access Reform Today (HEART) Act of 1993 — individual mandate, pre-existing condition coverage, standardization of plans, vouchers for those who couldn't afford insurance, formation of purchasing pools.

Yet after decades of sometimes very similar proposals and 7 years of using Obamacare as a principal talking point, they're the proverbial dog that caught the car and now in a bit of irony lost on nobody who pays attention to politics, they've jammed through some garbage they don't even really understand so the President could claim a win and they could look like they're making good on seven years of promises.

It's bad enough that Obamacare wasn't fixed in the last 7 years, the fact that in all that time the GOP didn't come up with a replacement plan of their own that they could enact when they got control of the government is just gross negligence. That they passed this garbage instead is undeniably malfeasance.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: AnonyMason

The only qualification for this bill to be considered good is that it repeals Obamacare. It doesn't actually have to be better than Obamacare.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:40 AM
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How can lib's not see how awful/evil socialized/universal healthcare is? I mean, why should even 1 cent of someone's hard earned money (its their money!) go to keeping someone other than themselves healthy? If people don't have enough money to afford American Healthcare (the best in the world - you get what you pay for) then they deserve to die. God's hand in all things pretty much spells out that those without enough money to afford it aren't destined by God to live, so why are we all fighting this?



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:43 AM
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That also bothers me, worldstarcountry, we are a nation of excesses and people doesn't want to take responsibility for the poor personal choices and expect others to cater to their needs.

Because the big pharma have drill into them with doctors help that one pill can fix all and they can still keep taking poor health choices.

Is a big addiction in America and is now the addiction to big pharma drugs.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

This is borderline psycho religious babble and I have no response... So:

Have some dancing hamsters compliments of ATS.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

GOP failed me on this one, for 7 years they were all talk and not action, this not the repeal I was hoping for and neither the solution to Obamacare failure.

I know people hates socialism, but fail to see that entitlement and social programs is socialism.

If we pay for Medicaid and Medicare we want or no, what is the problem with an universal health care.

As a nation like ours we should have the worlds top free healthcare system and the envy of any other nation.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:48 AM
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a reply to: marg6043

The GOP's main problem was how to take away an entitlement program while not taking it away.


They were screwed, regardless.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: AnonyMason

/Hyperbolic Sarcasm off

Thanks for the hamsters



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

But Obamacare was not an entitlement really it was a tax, remember? the Supreme court ruled as a tax.

Medicaid that is the only thing in the Obamacare expansion to cover the poor by law is not an entitlement either,

Is still a by needs only care.

Obamacare was not even long enough to become and entitlement.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: AnonyMason
I'm interested to see what Trump supporters have to say about this. Not a single republican aside from Speaker Ryan thinks this is a "good" plan.


I also wonder how Domacrat supporters feel about the fact that not a single one of their representative tried to be a part of shaping this legislation.

Between ACA and the AHA it's pretty clear that purely partisan laws only serve to hurt the American people. But our leaders keep doubling down on them with no end in sight.

It's time our elected leaders grow up a little bit and check the ego at the door.
edit on 5-5-2017 by DanDanDat because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

I'm hoping that was sarcasm?

EDIT:

Never mind, I see that it was!
edit on 2017-5-5 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: AnonyMason

The only qualification for this bill to be considered good is that it repeals Obamacare. It doesn't actually have to be better than Obamacare.


It's a disgrace and a shame on the House. I think many people would have offered a lot of support had the Majority offered up something resembling even a slight improvement. Instead, we get this pile of crap.

Unfortunately there will be many people who share your opinion. Anything different is better than Obamacare. More unfortunate is the fact that this is clearly not better in any way shape or form aside from it's intended purpose... Of which it falls utterly short on delivering.

This passage was purely for show just so the GOP could say "hey at least we passed something". That's it.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

Hahaha. Thanks for clarifying.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

Surely you are also referring to the Republican's (and their supporters who backed them) that fought Obama on EVERY piece of legislation (no matter what). Just wanted to make sure you were being accurately inclusive in your statement.



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