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Trump in NYC says Australia has better health care -- it has a universal coverage system

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posted on May, 5 2017 @ 12:40 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah
I'd argue compassion would be fixing the food price fixing that makes a bag of potato chips significantly cheaper than a bag of apples, a pound of processed hot dogs far cheaper than a pound of leaner beef, and soda cheaper than milk or even bottled water. I'd love to hear how lowered taxes will solve that lopsided BS.


Um, am I reading this right?

Shouldn't a pack of hot dogs be cheaper than lean ground beef? Do you realize what they make those creations with?

But YEAH, bottled tap water (which is bottled in the lowest quality bottles in the entire gas station) costing more than ANYTHING is absolutely insane.
edit on 5-5-2017 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)




posted on May, 5 2017 @ 12:41 AM
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a reply to: Charlyboy

you cant have "free healthcare" if your govt collects taxes to pay for it
free does not work like that

compassion is not taking from one to give to another

using "national pride" and "looking out for each other" to shame someone to conform is disgusting
i have no reason to be embarrassed mate we can take care of ourselves with no worries
we will fix our system



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 12:43 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Charlyboy

you cant have "free healthcare" if your govt collects taxes to pay for it
free does not work like that


There's no such thing as "FREE", especially not on an industrial scale. That's about as big of a delusion as the idea that minorities CANT be racist.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 12:44 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: Nyiah
I'd argue compassion would be fixing the food price fixing that makes a bag of potato chips significantly cheaper than a bag of apples, a pound of processed hot dogs far cheaper than a pound of leaner beef, and soda cheaper than milk or even bottled water. I'd love to hear how lowered taxes will solve that lopsided BS.


Um, am I reading this right?

Shouldn't a pack of hot dogs be cheaper than lean ground beef? Do you realize what they make those creations with?

But YEAH, bottled tap water (which is bottled in the lowest quality bottles in the entire gas station) costing more than ANYTHING is absolutely insane.

I'm aware of what they make them with. I also remember growing up with balanced grocery prices for fresh foods that even the poor could swing, & a clear "demarcation price line" where the convenience foods cost a hell of a lot more than those healthy, fresh DIY meal ingredients did. We went pear-shaped somewhere along the line.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 12:44 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: seasonal

OK , but will he go for universal health care ??. Oh hell no!!


YES HE WILL. Donald Trump LIKES Universal Healthcare.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If the American Health Care Act (AHCA) becomes law and fails.. Say Hello to Universal Healthcare.

If the American Health Care Act (AHCA) is killed in the Senate... Say Hello to Universal Healthcare.

ObamaCare will not be here in 2018, because too many health insurance companies are pulling the plug on their participation at the end of this year. As of right now, Iowa and S.E. Tennessee will not have any health insurance carriers after 12/31/2017.


That does seem to be the trajectory. I hope it happens sooner rather than later. Universal healthcare would at this point be so much easier for almost everyone involved.


A major obstacle to getting Universal Healthcare in America is that not enough people feel pain with the current system. Only 8%-10% of Americans feel the pain of ObamaCare. Everyone else is covered at work, or by the V.A., TRICARE, Medicaid, etc.. You'll find some people unhappy with these programs, but not enough of them to march the streets demanding Universal Healthcare for America.


I would be inclined to believe you.

That and as has been demonstrated in this very thread a deep mistrust of a publicly funded system.

Our System works and has it's flaws.

Your system works and has it's flaws too.

The major difference from what I can gather is that if you end up sick where I live you will get treatment no matter what your financial status is. And you will not be left with a huge bill to pay if you do not have an insurance policy because your stay in hospital is covered by Medicare.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 12:50 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Charlyboy

you cant have "free healthcare" if your govt collects taxes to pay for it
free does not work like that

compassion is not taking from one to give to another

using "national pride" and "looking out for each other" to shame someone to conform is disgusting
i have no reason to be embarrassed mate we can take care of ourselves with no worries
we will fix our system


Look, at the end of the day in our society we admit we are equal on certain issues. Healthcare is one of them. I do not want to walk past a homeless person on the street dying of pneumonia because they cannot afford to see a doctor. I don't want to have to pay to take them there and be lumped with their bill for me to pay myself either.

I have a job and I am grateful for it. I pay taxes and I am happy to know that said taxes mean that I can have a clear conscience and know that everyone, everyone who is a legal citizen of my country can see a Doctor and get the help they need.

Are you against food stamps too? Because that is also a form of Altruism.
edit on 5-5-2017 by markosity1973 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 12:51 AM
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a reply to: Flatfish

it does say the powers not specifically given to the fed reside with the states

i would say the states could do healthcare but not the fed as that power is not listed

still does not justify your bs should and could



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
We (those who are in the know), know that Obamacare was Designed to fail in order to force us into a government-run single-payer healthcare system. The plan has gone perfectly. Within 10 years we will be a single-payer, you can't stop the Leftist-Globalist agenda.


One can only hope!


Not this one. But hey, if you want corrupt bureaucrats and lifetime politicians controlling your healthcare and life, more power to you. I'm sure they really care about you.


At least I get a say/vote on who those people are and I get the opportunity to replace them with every election. Hell, I can even run for the position myself!

What voice do you have with your profit driven healthcare insurance provider?


If we had true market healthcare, I could choose my provider, and the best provider would get my business. That's competition and the market at work, it's far better than corrupt government control.


And you'd still be paying more than you should because your profit driven insurance provider's entire existence is dependent on "Not" paying claims.

They use part of your premiums to fund entire departments full of employees who's sole job is to look for a legal reason to deny your claim.

They're not in business to provide the best healthcare possible, they're in business to offer the least expensive healthcare for the highest attainable premium and reap the profits, which are the difference between the two.

If you believe all that hype about how buying insurance across state lines will make insurance cheaper, maybe you could explain why it hasn't worked in any of the states that currently allow it?

I already know why, but if you're really interested in the truth, you should google the subject.

And just for the record, there are no federal statutes forbidding the purchase of healthcare insurance across state lines now, it's the states who won't allow policies that they deem to be substandard to be sold in their territories.
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posted on May, 5 2017 @ 12:57 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Mate obviously but do the sums, I pay an extra $2300 a year, that ensures that I, my family, my friends and everyone I know can have health care. Some people who earn below the taxable threshold do not pay anything and thus their health care is FREE to them and you know what I am happy for them


I watched my child die recently, he was resuscitated and flown to a specialist hospital, he was there for 3 months and had therapy 3 times a day. This would have cost me hundreds of thousands of Dollars in the USA, this cost me nothing, and the hospital payed for my accommodation so I could be near my child.

You cannot understand how important access to "free" health care is until you rely on it the most. Yes it is free to people in my country who are poor for whatever reason. Is it right that I should pay a little extra tax so others can be treated if needed, yeah man of course it is.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody


Hahahaahahahaaha you are not able think beyond yourself huh? Well enjoy your insurance premiums buddy and I hope you never have to count on a strangers generosity.

It takes all sorts huh...



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 01:00 AM
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originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: seasonal

OK , but will he go for universal health care ??. Oh hell no!!


YES HE WILL. Donald Trump LIKES Universal Healthcare.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If the American Health Care Act (AHCA) becomes law and fails.. Say Hello to Universal Healthcare.

If the American Health Care Act (AHCA) is killed in the Senate... Say Hello to Universal Healthcare.

ObamaCare will not be here in 2018, because too many health insurance companies are pulling the plug on their participation at the end of this year. As of right now, Iowa and S.E. Tennessee will not have any health insurance carriers after 12/31/2017.


That does seem to be the trajectory. I hope it happens sooner rather than later. Universal healthcare would at this point be so much easier for almost everyone involved.


A major obstacle to getting Universal Healthcare in America is that not enough people feel pain with the current system. Only 8%-10% of Americans feel the pain of ObamaCare. Everyone else is covered at work, or by the V.A., TRICARE, Medicaid, etc.. You'll find some people unhappy with these programs, but not enough of them to march the streets demanding Universal Healthcare for America.


I would be inclined to believe you.

That and as has been demonstrated in this very thread a deep mistrust of a publicly funded system.

Our System works and has it's flaws.

Your system works and has it's flaws too.

The major difference from what I can gather is that if you end up sick where I live you will get treatment no matter what your financial status is. And you will not be left with a huge bill to pay if you do not have an insurance policy because your stay in hospital is covered by Medicare.



With YOUR system, people will not go into bankruptcy due to medical bills, or have to pay a hospital $10,000. That's a HUGE positive of Universal Healthcare.

We have something like that here in America. It's called Medicaid. Government pays 100% of the patient's cost. But here in the Chicago area, the best doctors do not accept people who have this Government insurance, because it pays them less than they're willing to accept. As a matter of fact, there were only 6 doctors per 50,000 of population at the end of 2016. The waiting lists are very long.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 01:05 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Flatfish

it does say the powers not specifically given to the fed reside with the states

i would say the states could do healthcare but not the fed as that power is not listed

still does not justify your bs should and could


So, are you saying that Medicare & Social Security are unconstitutional programs?

How about the interstate highway system and the internet, are they unconstitutional programs as well?

What about NASA, is our space program unconstitutional too?



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

i am not against welfare,medicare,food stamps, unemployment ect
we need a safety net for the poor and indigent

we do not need the govt mandating purchasing insurance simply because i am alive

i am capable of deciding if i want to purchase health insurance and i am capable of paying for it
we do not allow our govt to make us purchase anything else why health insurance

i already pay federal income tax and medicare tax
if the govt cant handle that properly why give them more to waste



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 01:18 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody


Stupid government tells me that I have to buy "uninsured motorist" coverage for my car, even though all the laws say that every car must be covered by auto insurance. Who are these uninsured people I'm paying for every month???



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

So its your Government you have an issue with not contributing to universal healthcare? May I suggest you tell your government to stop throwing trillions of dollars into black budget military projects and tell them to look after their damn people instead.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 01:20 AM
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a reply to: Charlyboy

sounds like you people pay premiums as well if you want any control over your treatment....in addition to the extra tax you pay for that free care

more of your special scientist logic at work
had we not looked beyond ourselves for the last century the world would be a very different place



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 01:21 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

there is no mandate to buy a car



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 01:21 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

We have something like that here in America. It's called Medicaid. Government pays 100% of the patient's cost. But here in the Chicago area, the best doctors do not accept people who have this Government insurance, because it pays them less than they're willing to accept. As a matter of fact, there were only 6 doctors per 50,000 of population at the end of 2016. The waiting lists are very long.


Yeah, and that is a problem.

I don't know what the answer is for the USA, maybe just fixing the Medicaid issue by opening some public hospitals and giving a medicare card to low / no income earners?



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 01:23 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: seasonal

OK , but will he go for universal health care ??. Oh hell no!!


YES HE WILL. Donald Trump LIKES Universal Healthcare.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If the American Health Care Act (AHCA) becomes law and fails.. Say Hello to Universal Healthcare.

If the American Health Care Act (AHCA) is killed in the Senate... Say Hello to Universal Healthcare.

ObamaCare will not be here in 2018, because too many health insurance companies are pulling the plug on their participation at the end of this year. As of right now, Iowa and S.E. Tennessee will not have any health insurance carriers after 12/31/2017.


That does seem to be the trajectory. I hope it happens sooner rather than later. Universal healthcare would at this point be so much easier for almost everyone involved.


A major obstacle to getting Universal Healthcare in America is that not enough people feel pain with the current system. Only 8%-10% of Americans feel the pain of ObamaCare. Everyone else is covered at work, or by the V.A., TRICARE, Medicaid, etc.. You'll find some people unhappy with these programs, but not enough of them to march the streets demanding Universal Healthcare for America.


I would be inclined to believe you.

That and as has been demonstrated in this very thread a deep mistrust of a publicly funded system.

Our System works and has it's flaws.

Your system works and has it's flaws too.

The major difference from what I can gather is that if you end up sick where I live you will get treatment no matter what your financial status is. And you will not be left with a huge bill to pay if you do not have an insurance policy because your stay in hospital is covered by Medicare.



With YOUR system, people will not go into bankruptcy due to medical bills, or have to pay a hospital $10,000. That's a HUGE positive of Universal Healthcare.

We have something like that here in America. It's called Medicaid. Government pays 100% of the patient's cost. But here in the Chicago area, the best doctors do not accept people who have this Government insurance, because it pays them less than they're willing to accept. As a matter of fact, there were only 6 doctors per 50,000 of population at the end of 2016. The waiting lists are very long.


And then we have other doctors who accept nothing but Medicare or Medicaid patients.

Hell my doctor is currently switching to all Medicare patients and I had to beg him to keep seeing me between now and the time I become Medicare eligible and I have one of those "Cadillac" plans.

I'm confident that if we get to universal healthcare, the fact that it's the nation's primary "single payer" healthcare system would mean that fewer doctors would opt out of the program and more doctors would stand together to negotiate a fair fee for their services.



posted on May, 5 2017 @ 01:29 AM
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Wait, did he just praise a UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM?!?!?!?! Like, as in, socialized medicine?

I thought that was a socialist agenda, and all socialist agendas are bad?

I'm seriously beginning to wonder about this Mandela Effect. It seems every day I wake up, I'm in a new reality where everyone's definition of everything has changed, and people on one side of an issue suddenly are jumping to the other side.

Wake me up when we have great healthcare. From the looks of congress, it's gonna be a decade or two.



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