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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
A deductible is per person and per family.
originally posted by: queenofswords
I have a couple of questions for those in other countries that have State health care:
**First, it isn't really free, is it? I mean, you pay the government a tax instead of paying a private insurance company a premium....correct? How much is that tax per year? (At least with insurance companies, you can shop a competitor for better deals and services.)
We have Medicare in America for older citizens drawing Social Security, but the government still takes out $100 per month (tax) for it, not to mention the fact that for decades they took out a Medicare Tax from your paycheck. Medicare will pay 80% of medical costs, but some things are not covered, so a supplemental insurance policy is required to pick up what Medicare doesn't pay. Depending on the type of coverage you select, that can cost about $200-350 per month.
**Secondly, does a person willing to live in his/her parent's basement till they're 40 years old playing video games and mooching off mom and dad, get the same coverage as everyone else?
**Thirdly, since government bureaucrats manage the system, how much waste, fraud, and abuse is there? Just in Medicare and Medicaid (the program for low income and needy people) tens of billions of dollars are wasted yearly. And, of course, this is taxpayer money....money we give the government to manage and dispense.
Why anybody would want government bureaucrats as the go-between is beyond me. But, if that is all you have ever known, I guess you wouldn't care.
originally posted by: pheonix358
Yes it has.
Profit based health care is just so wrong. It puts patients at the mercy of greedy Industrialists.
P
originally posted by: peskyhumans
a reply to: seasonal
BS. I talked with a corp mate in EVE Online years ago who lives in Australia. She was waiting on a waiting list for months to see a doctor at a military base. She didn't have a local doctor in her area and had to go see the one at the base. I remember her complaining about it nearly the whole time I was in that corp.
All the time we get crap about how great socialist medicine is, but if you talk to locals in these places you hear horror stories about waiting lists and healthcare rationing.
The nice thing about capitalism is that if you have money, you can buy a service right now.
I don't want government involved in my healthcare. I don't want waiting lists. I don't want my services to be rationed. I want good old-fashioned capitalist healthcare. Keep the government out of it.
originally posted by: queenofswords
I have a couple of questions for those in other countries that have State health care:
**First, it isn't really free, is it? I mean, you pay the government a tax instead of paying a private insurance company a premium....correct? How much is that tax per year? (At least with insurance companies, you can shop a competitor for better deals and services.)
originally posted by: queenofswords
originally posted by: DanDanDat
I don't understand; how is it wrong to believe that both the Australian healthcare system is right for Australia and at the same time the AHA is right for the US? How are the two thoughts exclusive to each other? The last I check Australia was not the US and visa versa; they both have their own unequa challenges.
Now this is not to say the AHA is right for the US. Just that praising the Australian system for Australia is not an implication on the AHA.
I just listened to President Trump's comments to the press with the Australian pm sitting next to him. He said that right now with what we currently have, Australia's health care system is better, BUT, we are about to have really good health care soon. I don't think he was advocating for a single-payer system.
originally posted by: Meee32
originally posted by: pheonix358
Yes it has.
Profit based health care is just so wrong. It puts patients at the mercy of greedy Industrialists.
P
But I live in the UK, the doctors here are often rude or blase, I mean why would they need to be nice or actually do their job? They already have your money! Now you are just an inconvenience! They even have the "Liverpool care plan" here... Sounds nice right? It means they withold food and water until you die when they have given up with you... No lie... lol
Not sure a universal health system is all it cracked up to be...
That's all it takes to shut down your conversation about better health care? No wonder screwing you guys over has been such a cakewalk!
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: seasonal
Maybe Australia does have better healthcare.
We're not Australia. We don't have the same form of government.
So apples/oranges.
I should add that I do have supplemental benefits negotiated as part of my collective agreement. That includes some vision, dental, chiropractic and such, and a drug plan with a $25/yr co-pay. Benefit plans are pretty popular with employers (and my plan is one of the better ones) because they represent deferred wages instead of COB. Our province is now going towards pharmacare for kids 25 and under to fill some of the gaps. Seniors' meds are covered with a small co-pay ($2.00?) And yes, you can chose your own doctor (as long as he/she is accepting new patients to their practice.
originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Thank you for the mechanics of your system (best of health to you).
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
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Have a nice day.