Woman could face jail time for laughing at Jeff Sessions confirmation hearing.

a reply to: luthier

And what prey tell do you know about private prison use in the US?

a reply to: Xcathdra

It's immoral and unethical. Not to mention they have terrible records in regards to their emploeyes and inmates.

And no I am not a liberal unless you mean the classical type.

a reply to: Xcathdra

But it's happened throughout American history, literally from the beginning?

a reply to: Xcathdra

What's your opinion of unions? Jeff sessions loves them.

a reply to: luthier

Yes interrupting government proceedings is immoral and unethical. Protesting is fine but their is a proper time and place for it and its not in the middle of official business.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Even though it's happened since Jefferson and is a tradition.

Have you even read history?

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Xcathdra

Even though it's happened since Jefferson and is a tradition.

Have you even read history?

And there has always been consequences for interrupting official business.people can protest outside but like with court proceedings interrupting them you go to jail.

a reply to: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: luthier

Yes interrupting government proceedings is immoral and unethical. Protesting is fine but their is a proper time and place for it and its not in the middle of official business.

What was the proper time and place to protest things like equal rights for blacks? Women's right to vote? Taxation without representation? The Mayday protest of 1971?

If these people of our past behaved how you wish them to behave our country would look a lot different than it does today. Protest can't take place in sanctioned little roped off protest zones or "free speech zones". It has to take place where it's inconvenient. It has to take place where no one wants a protest to happen. That's the only way a message of a pretest gets taken seriously.

Protesting has always meant running the risk of being arrested. So be it. But don't ever try to confine a person's free speech to somewhere it's convenient for the rest of you. That's bull. So they get arrested. Fine. That's their choice. But one year in the clink for what amounts to laughing at the idea of Jeff Sessions being a worthy, unbiased choice for Attorney General? HAHAHA

I would laugh directly in his face. Jail or no jail, cops no cops. That guy is the second biggest joke in the entire country, the first being President "grab em by the pussy" Trump. If both of them wound up dead tomorrow the world would be better for it.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

A political hearing isn't the place for protest?

Get over yourself. These people soiled the chambers years ago. On both sides. (The politicians)

From a legal standpoint, no. Yes, politicians have done a lot wrong, but does that excuse more wrong from the people?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Do you support jail time though?
It seems the US jails people for minor transgressions compared to the UK.
Would be a couple hundred £'s fine at worst here, paid off a fiver a week, but a police caution would be expected if first offence.

Jail seems draconian to me, and probably most people in the rest of the developed world.

What was the proper time and place to protest things like equal rights for blacks? Women's right to vote? Taxation without representation? The Mayday protest of 1971?

If these people of our past behaved how you wish them to behave our country would look a lot different than it does today. Protest can't take place in sanctioned little roped off protest zones or "free speech zones". It has to take place where it's inconvenient. It has to take place where no one wants a protest to happen. That's the only way a message of a protest gets taken seriously.

you are mistaken. the civil rights war was won in congress thanks to the lobbying and petitioning of good people in the US, especially church people (Christians and Jews). street riots and illegal protests were sideshows that encouraged the segregationists to dig in and fight harder.

I would laugh directly in his face. Jail or no jail, cops no cops. That guy is the second biggest joke in the entire country, the first being President "grab em by the pussy" Trump. If both of them wound up dead tomorrow the world would be better for it.

the voice of compassion and tolerance?

Women are people? oh my am shocked. I am in the wrong hemisphere.

Yes, you need learn that,your health depends on it.

originally posted by: AnonyMason
What was the proper time and place to protest things like equal rights for blacks? Women's right to vote? Taxation without representation? The Mayday protest of 1971?

None of which took place inside a location in the middle of a government proceeding while it was occurring.

Disorderly conduct.....it's an actual law

Fascism, it's an actual evil.

originally posted by: CB328

Disorderly conduct.....it's an actual law

Fascism, it's an actual evil.

Ignorance.. its a real problem...

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Do you support jail time though?
It seems the US jails people for minor transgressions compared to the UK.
Would be a couple hundred £'s fine at worst here, paid off a fiver a week, but a police caution would be expected if first offence.

Jail seems draconian to me, and probably most people in the rest of the developed world.

I guess it would depend on the individual case. If the person was consistently doing the same sort of thing, being a nuisance, and trying to control politics via unruly outbursts, then maybe. I'd say a fine could be enough, in many cases, but when we see that some groups are paid by outside sources, that likely have deep pockets, a fine becomes pointless, and doesn't discourage the person at all. Jail time, on the other hand, can't be served by the outside source, so its more discouraging to future bad behavior.

There are, though, a lot of crimes that don't demand jail time, which see it, and conversely, some serious crimes that should see jail time and don't. The system doesn't work as it should.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Excellent points about the 'outside sources' I hadn't considered that, of course jail falls on the individual so is a greater deterrent.

Fines in the UK are ineffectual and not a deterrent in any way. The court always carries out an income/expenditure calculation with reasonable living costs taken into account in order to set an instalment amount.
For most people it's the equivalent of missing out on a few pints at the weekend.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Excellent points about the 'outside sources' I hadn't considered that, of course jail falls on the individual so is a greater deterrent.

Fines in the UK are ineffectual and not a deterrent in any way. The court always carries out an income/expenditure calculation with reasonable living costs taken into account in order to set an instalment amount.
For most people it's the equivalent of missing out on a few pints at the weekend.

Now that is interesting! Doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent, if it' always affordable!! Of course, fines that are a real hardship, when given for small infractions, can be bad, too. Hard to find a good balance!

Here's an update-

Fairooz was to be sentenced today and faced up to 12 months in prison.

Chief Judge Robert E. Morin of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, however, today "tossed out the guilty verdict because the government had argued that the laugh in and of itself was enough to warrant a guilty verdict," according to the Huffington Post.

Judge overturns conviction of woman who laughed at Sessions: report


It looks as though the other two's convictions will stand. The sentencing judge didn't agree with the govts argument for her case, despite the fact that she was found guilty.

She has a new trial on September 1.