House passes GOP Health Bill.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Millions lost their coverage when Obamacare was enacted, but that was just collateral damage, right?

The CBO estimate for people losing coverage for the bill they tried to pass in March was at 24 million people. That would mean more people would wind up without insurance than BEFORE Obamacare went into effect. This bill isn't going to be any better.

a reply to: introvert

How is a 'giant' step backwards ?

The state is already the single largest provider of health insurance in the country.

If anything It's a step in the right direction freeing the state manipulation of CORPORATISM.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What good is forced insurance when you can`t afford to even use it?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You're not counting the millions that lost their insurance AFTER Obamacare was enacted.

a reply to: neo96

It's actually crying hypocrite, but k.

originally posted by: angeldoll
They punted it to the Senate, is all they've done. They were sick of it, didn't know what to do with it, so made it the Senate's problem. They will get it back shortly.

Yeah. It is very likely that some of the goofy tricks they used to get the bill out of their hands violate the reconciliation bill rules and McConnell is either going to have to remove them or try to bring this to a vote needing 60 ayes. Both options make the bill unpassable. It's only a matter of time before Ryan is writing another repeal bill.

originally posted by: dragonlover12
a reply to: Krazysh0t

What good is forced insurance when you can`t afford to even use it?

What good is insurance that you pay for but doesn't cover anything when you need it?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: introvert
Overall, the direction this is going is one giant step backwards.

That's not a bad thing when you're standing on the edge of a cliff.

Cute.

Still a step backwards from the direction we should be going.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You're not counting the millions that lost their insurance AFTER Obamacare was enacted.

Yes. I am.

originally posted by: Mordekaiser
a reply to: neo96

It's actually crying hypocrite, but k.

No.

The only reason the ACA exists to begin with is because SANDERS sold out after an Air Farce one ride.

That piece of trash didn't get passed the good old fashion way.

Threats/bribes/coercion and it was created on a single party line.

That as Pelosi said. They have to pass it before they got to find out what was in it.

The people are crying.

Are those that lost their coverage, and when their premiums went up, when those GREAT exchanges closed up shop completely.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
So please explain why this will be a good thing for Americans.

I'll take an easy swing at this one: because it represents the GOP representative in Congress actually (and finally) doing something they all campaigned on, and were elected on; repealing the ACA. We all knew what we were voting for when we voted for them, and it's nice to see that bear some fruit.

That's a non-answer. Try again. How is this a good thing for Americans?

Well, for starters the penalties for having more than 50 workers and for employing workers for full time status rather than limiting them to 30 hours per week are gone, so employment will benefit. The medical device tax is gone, which is wonderful when you consider all it did was stymie medical R&D and crush innovation. No more tanning salon tax, no more investment disincentivising medicaid capital gains tax. Personal freedom is a thing again, as is some measure of personal responsibility and exposure to natural consequences of choices made (albeit not as much as I'd support... which would be a system by which you were allowed to soar or fail entirely on your own volition.) Premiums for the average American will absolutely go down. Tax dollars will be freed for use where they are not only needed but actually used for programs that the government is Constitutionally authorized to fund (like defense and trade).

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: introvert
Overall, the direction this is going is one giant step backwards.

That's not a bad thing when you're standing on the edge of a cliff.

Cute.

Still a step backwards from the direction we should be going.

Your opinion only. Roughly 50% of the nation disagrees with you while roughly 50% agrees. Who will win? Tune it to find out!

a reply to: burdman30ott6

The fruit they bore was a vote based on anarchy because of never growing fruit.

People are still in denial Trump gained popularity in the primaries as a joke from Democrats to push him forward because he sounded like the end of the World, and then it backfired and you got some dank memes, but now we can't actually congratulate ripping the system down if that's the actual intention- it was literally supposed to be a threat, overkill as usual for The Strong and Brave though.

I'll be good enough if they just can change the name. Because that will hurt his egocentric a$$.

Now, even better if I finally can get a decent health plan.

This only proves that insurance companies are an enemy of the people and should be shut down. Single Payer is the only way forward--- this system of greed controlled by insurance companies is f###ing evil.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Hmmm... insurance thru employer costs $1000 per month.
Has a $16,000 deductible. And then only pays 80% if you are lucky.
I`d say that is pretty much unusable. Prior to Ocare the plan at work was $200 a month, with a $20 copay at the doctors office and $100 copay for ER or hospital admission.

That was a rational plan .

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

How is a 'giant' step backwards ?

The state is already the single largest provider of health insurance in the country.

If anything It's a step in the right direction freeing the state manipulation of CORPORATISM.

We should be moving towards a universal system that takes the insurance companies out of the equation. Take 30%+ of the cost (insurance profit) off the table right off the bat.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Insurance is insanely useful, the problem is they don't work with competition, it just becomes 2 companies verses the people. Everytime. The question from there is who gets to own the single insurance company then? It's the most profitable industry in the world.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: FauxMulder

What was in it?

Pretty sure we have to pass it first.

Alrighty, now if the senate republicans get sick of it too, they could send it back to house. With a proposal of extending medicare universally and completely wipe out Obama's legacy and do good.