House passes GOP Health Bill.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: neo96

If you are a 16 year old driver with multiple wrecks on your record and a heroin habit, then you should be charged the same car insurance as a 50 year old man who has never had an accident and only drives 3 miles a day to work.

You're comparing the recklessness with the natural effects of aging... or the random bad luck of pre-existing conditions?

Republicans need to grow a heart and a brain.

All about money as usual.

No, more like comparing with people who continue to smoke, eat like pigs the most non-nutritional food availabe, drink alcohol, then get cancer, diabetes, cirrhosis of the liver, etc., and then expect the healthy living folks to pick up their healthcare tab...that would seem to be a more accurate comparison. And if they didn't have insurance before they developed those self-induced conditions, they're considered pre-existing (as in before being insured)...far as I'm concerned, those that participate in behaviors that science has proven unhealthy (or even deadly) deserve what they get - and I shouldn't have to pick up the tab...nor should anyone else not involved in those folk's self-indulgent behaviors.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Versus 40% going to the government and folks that don't pull their weight this will be a godsend.

I'd gladly pay for those that are in need, versus those that are in it for greed.

Really? Crunched numbers on that?

Fact of the matter...people die. If you want to bleed your heart then go to a small tribe in Africa that has a 75% mortality rate with their kids because of bad water....you can spend $500/year and save 25 kids.

I have no sympathy for those that live in the in the US and still can't live without assistance....land of opportunity and all...1st world problems.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Versus 40% going to the government and folks that don't pull their weight this will be a godsend.

I'd gladly pay for those that are in need, versus those that are in it for greed.

I have no sympathy for those that live in the in the US and still can't live without assistance....land of opportunity and all...1st world problems.

Then it appears you have no clue of the reality in which we live.

Land of opportunity is a propaganda meme.

Don't be dumb enough to fall for it.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: jjkenobi

And you think they're not going to lose votes by passing something worse? The AHCA as it exists now primarily only benefits white males of at least the middle class. Two groups it's going to hurt the most are women and the working class. Two demographics that were key in getting Trump elected.

So the new plan helps Whitey huh? Middle class ones no less. This is the most ignorant thing said yet. I guess the 'hurts women' thing is because of PP right?

Obamacare was NOT about healthcare it was a Tax package. A reward for getting him elected and everyone was so excited they passed it.

Then, the middle class of ANY color who did not need health insurance were penalized for not having it so they could help to pay for the same programs that were in place before....

Healthcare is not a right...it is a choice and the ACA took that away.

a reply to: introvert

It is amazing. The Right just spent the last eight years claiming the unemployment numbers were a lie and that there was actually no jobs. Now all of sudden they're claiming there's no reason a person shouldn't have a job/be able to afford healthcare.

I am curious...why start free healthcare for all federally? For those pushing universal healthcare, why not push your individual states to proceed on their own? I mean many of our states individually are socioeconomically and similar in population as many of these 'free healthcare' countries that they attempt to compare to all of the US. If it works out wonderfully and is beneficial for your state, well naturally, other states will follow and do the same.

States have done this with legislation such as medical marijuana and even recreational marijuana. We can see how it had a domino effect. So, why is it necessary to push the federal government to do this across the board? Focus on your individual states and show the rest of America how wonderful it can be!

a reply to: introvert

No I don't.

But I do look out the window to see what the hell is going around me.

Like any sane person would do.

a reply to: FauxMulder

so long as they did away with the penalty for not having insurance i don't care what they put in it. since the company i work for quit offering insurance this last jan i lost my loophole.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Versus 40% going to the government and folks that don't pull their weight this will be a godsend.

I'd gladly pay for those that are in need, versus those that are in it for greed.

I have no sympathy for those that live in the in the US and still can't live without assistance....land of opportunity and all...1st world problems.

Then it appears you have no clue of the reality in which we live.

Land of opportunity is a propaganda meme.

Don't be dumb enough to fall for it.

Close the borders then.

I guarantee you the number of people that die in the US due to bad water or healthcare is a mere fraction of those in Africa or India.

The reason people anyone comes here is for opportunity and free whatever.

If you can't make it on your own in the US then you shouldn't be here. Why? Because you have every opportunity afforded, free healthcare, school, housing and cell phones.

Pardon me if I don't care that idiots that had kids when they couldn't afford them don't have health care...pardon me if I don't want to pay for their burden on our system...pardon me if I want to look out for my own family....pardon me if I could give a crap about your plight in the world when those I choose to help actually have a REAL reason to need help in another country.

You're in the US...then freaking work. People die...plain and simple. I'm not here to pay for your 90 year old mom because you just can't let go of her in hospice, I'm not here to pay for your kid's (education and healthcare) you had here after you came here illegally.

I have a family of 5 and I made a commitment to pay for them when I chose to get married and have kids.

Accountability is seriously lacking in the US right now and I hope it comes back at some point.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: introvert

It is amazing. The Right just spent the last eight years claiming the unemployment numbers were a lie and that there was actually no jobs. Now all of sudden they're claiming there's no reason a person shouldn't have a job/be able to afford healthcare.

They were lie...unemployment runs out after a certain number of months...once they run out you are no longer counted in the unemployment numbers because they only use the numbers from those that actually draw unemployment.

Try understanding the figures before you speak like a fool.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

They also claim their pro-Mideast war stance, pro-Trump Wall stance, anti-immigrant & anti-Syrian refugee stances are because they want to save American lives. But when it comes to healthcare (which literally exists to save American lives), they suddenly reveal their true colors. They don't really give a crap about saving American lives at all. Their comments make it clear as day.

You guys do know that the GOP plan is really just about tax breaks for the wealthy and making their future tax "reforms" for the wealthy easier right?

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Well that is how the insurance game is played.

High risk ALWAYS pay more than those with moderate to low.

Again STILL can't cry foul.

Since the entire insurance game works by those that AREN'T using it paying for those that ARE.

That may be how insurance works, but that's not how this bill is being signed. It's going under the assumption that the healthy will pay nothing, and the sick will fully fund their costs. It's just not possible.

Anyways, the Republicans are in control. I'm quite skeptical of this bill, but it's probably going to become law so all any of us can do now is take a wait and see approach.

If people lose their health care, if they still can't meet premiums, and if everything is still screwed up come November 2018, Republicans will pay for this because they own it. Listening to Trumps speech today and the credit he was taking/being given, we may as well start calling it Trumpcare.

If on the other hand, it actually works, they'll probably be rewarded.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

It's the medical industry corporations that get away with price collusion, anti-competitive and monopolistic practices that don't give rats behind if you die so long as they asset strip you first.

Republicans only care about themselves, their own wallet, and their immediate circle. If that wasn't the case, they would speak and vote differently.

Satire:

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Millions lost their coverage when Obamacare was enacted, but that was just collateral damage, right?

The only people that lost coverage under Obamacare, were people who were paying for "insurance", but who weren't actually getting a service legally defined as insurance.

a reply to: Phoenix

So what does the current GOP bill do to prevent that? Also, deregulation will only increase the instances of "price collusion, anti-competitive practices, and monopolistic practices" since there will be fewer or no laws to prevent them from happening.

originally posted by: Mordekaiser

originally posted by: Cauliflower
a reply to: neo96
Except in countries like China and North Korea where health care costs a tenth of what it does in the US.

Or if we ran a basic health care system like North Korea operates the hair styling industry (women get a choice of 5 approved haircuts).

As soon as you start to underwrite detailed line items like the age men can have the government pay for their Viagra refills health care gets expensive. Generates all kinds of different special interests, profit motives and expensive lawsuits.

Single payer doesn't mean you don't get doctors. Limits on refills...it would be price, but the cheapest because everyone is helping pay for your Viagra, and Betty's car crash would be the cheapest because EVERYONE is helping pay for Betty, and etc. You will have a premium, and your Viagra will cost the same as everyone else, and if you buy too much Viagra, than you're simply the one responsible for raising the previously low Viagra premium.

No, EVERYONE won't pay...those of us with legitimate incomes will foot the bill for all the bangers shot gunfighting in the streets, dealing drugs on the corners, or generally causing mayhem and getting hurt, as well as the rest of US society that chooses not to work and sponge off of others...THEY won't pay a thing...ever...

originally posted by: dragonlover12
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Hmmm... insurance thru employer costs $1000 per month.
Has a $16,000 deductible. And then only pays 80% if you are lucky.
I`d say that is pretty much unusable. Prior to Ocare the plan at work was $200 a month, with a $20 copay at the doctors office and $100 copay for ER or hospital admission.

That was a rational plan .

And what were your lifetime coverage caps? Prior to the ACA people would have plans like that, which they would pay into for years. Then they would get cancer, or heart disease, or anything else... have a $500,000 bill, only have $100,000 of it covered by insurance, and suddenly lose their home, their retirement, and all their savings. That was happening to a huge percentage of Americans, and it was going to skyrocket as boomers age.

Among other things the ACA defined insurance so that they couldn't cut you off like that, or more... many times someone would get sick only to find out that couple hundred a month they were spending only covered things like office visits, broken bones, and stitches. Then they would need a small surgery or operation and be on the hook for the whole thing despite having insurance.