Will California become to the U.S. what Taiwan is to China?

a reply to: nwtrucker
Did you bother to read either links I posted? Your questions were literally addressed in them...

OK. Was my post incorrect?

It was.

Can anyone get California ID cards which, IIRC, look exactly like the driver's licenses. Is it not also true that either one of those documents is all that's required to register to vote?

...it wasn't even a long read. What's your excuse?

I wouldn't fully discount it, however, in regards to California. I'd bet no one knows the real number of illegal votes in Ca

As Snopes pointed out, there is zero evidence to support this paranoia. People that parrot these wild numbers are the types that whine about how Trump won the popular vote too.. Feel free to not "fully discount it", but I will wait upon evidence to substantiate the claim.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Snopes is compromised ,HAVE been since last year.
dailycaller.com...

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
This is a lame fairytale rewrite of history.

Taiwan was the rightful ruling govt of China at the end of WWII that fled there from Mao and the communist hoards that were taking over the mainland. They were after Taiwan when they backed N Korea to invade the South but Truman sent the naval fleet to protect Taiwan so Taiwan owes it's existence to US military power.

Comparing California to a nation fleeing barbarism, death and enslavement is the furthest from the truth. They are commie sympathizer liberals having a triggered tantrum trying to make their whole state a safe space.

Not arguing your post. The analogy was restricted to a region of a nation formerly a part of the whole and the potential of California becoming a 'former part of the whole'. The 'royal pain in the arse' part has already been achieved.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Did YOU look at the requirements I linked to that show what's required to register in California to vote?

Did you see anything requiring proof of citizenship?

You seem to hang your hat on that link. I don't buy it. I do not consider this a Democrat vs Republican issue. Both would be hurt it there's any truth to it...and I have no idea how much is a reality.


It would be naïve, no obtuse, to believe illegal voting wouldn't be occurring where illegal entry was the norm.

Cali isn't going ANYWHERE and NEITHER are our national assets and our COASTAL ports
ONCE we invade mexico after the EVER so brief cartel war things will even out...Various enclaves will be fenced off away from these facilities so the natives can't disrupt operations after all...
MORE fiction.

I'm moving to the new state of Jefferson-oh wait! I'm already here!Woooohoooo!!!

a reply to: nwtrucker

California has plenty of oil resources, not to mention untapped off-shore reserves. They also have their largest industry which is agriculture so both food and energy isn't a problem. Water might be, but desalination plants could fix that one. Then there's the open border philosophy. Massive immigration from Asia, Mexico and South America would supply an almost unending source of cheap labor.

1. California, yea the state filled with environmentalist. Consider most of Cali's oil undrillable. The state would rather protect some schools of smelt than keep the water damned up for a drought for farmers.

2. The population in inherently anti-nationalist, It is full of whites who hate their country and mexicans who's allegiance lies with another nation. Now this same group of people is going to become nationalist for their "new" country. Fat chance.

3. Does not believe in borders...A nation-state does not exist without borders. What happens when they are the federal government? How are they going to protect illegals from themselves?

4. Mass unchecked immigration without punishment which would happen using their current laws would collapse welfare, collapse infrastructure, collapse cities. California would quickly start looking like Brazil.

5. Without enough conservatives/libertarians the Socialist Republic of California collapses. As an extreme nannystate develops corruption breeds to find ways to get around onerous environmental and zoning laws.

6. Leftist white people(cali) are bad at making babies. Combine this immigration laws. Combine this with voting patterns Once that tipping point is reached hispanics begin to dominate government. Fueled with La Raza ideology, that Cali is rightfully for mexicans some very questionable policies(See south africa for examples) take place
California would be renamed The Socialist Republic of Northern Mexico.

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: nwtrucker

As A California resident, it would never happen.

If it happened, the Mexican Drug Cartels will set shop there.

Not if we could somehow cut it out and release it into the ocean...

a reply to: Wookiep

They'll just let it stew in meltdown, unless it requires a military action.


YOU KNOW....THEY DO want us to let KIMMIE make that ICBM and THEY WOULD be a PRIMARY psycholog....NO, I said I would STOP!

a reply to: nwtrucker

1. How would Calif power their new country? They've destroyed most of their hydro dams, won't use coal fire, they import their natural gas, and most of their electricity is imported from dams in Washington and Oregon, Hoover dam, and Palo Verde in Arizona. Enjoy looking like North Korea at night time, Cali!

2. Where do they get their water from? The CAP will go bye-bye if Cali leaves the US. It would take a very liberal Congress and President to approve the type of contract the US has with Mexico regarding the Rio Grande and, even then, Texas gets priority in that deal... Cali will thirst mightily.

3. The mass exodus out of and into California would cripple them. Nobody would move into California looking to build a business, but you can damn betcha a lot of businesses would instantly leave California if they split from the US. Nobody in their right mind would pay dual citizenship taxes to a suddenly sovreign California and the USA and nobody actually living off their own income and revenue would stay there while retaining US citizenship.

4. How does this new California defend themselves? Leave the US, the military and all the federal agencies leave you. ISIS would drool all over the floors of their caves over that prospect.

5. The move would be blocked in a bipartisan movement. The GOP would likely see more support for allowing Cali to leave than the Dems would, but even then it wouldn't be popular within the GOP machine, considering the investments made into California over the decades would be pissed away. The DC Dems, however, would be universally opposed to it. Loss of California's 55 electoral votes and 53 congressional representatives (75% of which are almost guaranteed Democrats) would ensure the House and presidency were ruled by Republicans for the predictable future. DC would never allow that.

6. Most important, California is broke. The state just gutted CALPERS retirement pensions for the first time in the state's history, and told municipalities that they have to pick up a large chunk of retirement money the state had promised but can no longer fund. In some cases, they cut pensions by 60%. $360 Billion in unfunded retirement liability plus $460 Billion in state debt... that's a staggering debt load for a state. When you consider the US federal government spends $375 Billion a year in California and the state would also have to pick up that tab each year if they were going it alone... Ooftah, it wouldn't be successful. That said, California would have to create their own currency, so the exchange rate would also play a factor there. Jerry Brown could authorize the printing of $1,000,000 Brown Notes and use them to wipe out all California's problems. It didn't work in Zimbabwae (or anywhere else that has tried it) but California is very much into trial by error, so I'm sure they'll warm fuzzy it into working for them.

Headline should read.
"Will California become to the USA what North Korea is to China."
Taiwan actually produces things the world want's and needs.
California's contribution to the world is Almonds and vegans
Assuming that California can survive as an independent nation is laughable. These people don't even know how to properly ration water. Anyone from fly over country can see the water we are told to ration sitting in some hipsters pool in California.

Come to think of it....Southern Cali would be like NK and northern Cali would be like SK. Northern Cali wants nothing to do with southern Cali and has been talking about splitting off into it's own state for a while now.

a reply to: burdman30ott6


Your first point is power. I assume the same power producers would continue to want the monies earned currently from Cali to be maintained. Call it an 'export'

Water? Desalination plants.

Business starts where there is a demand for a product or service. Human nature.

As in the OP, money from foreign investors taking advantage of the influx of cheap and plentiful labor. 30 plus million new customers and a world at large that would dearly love to see a physical crack in the Union that is the U.S.A..

Military? The Russian and the Chinese would dearly love the opportunity to place strategic bases in California-especially when invited to do so- and therefore would be protected by these friendly troops. Even the U.N. might jump at the chance.


Environmental? Hmmm. As you point out, the liberal whites would soon lose power to the Hispanic base. That base couldn't care less about environmental issues.. Let the drilling begin...

Hey! I'm just playing here with these 'possibilities'.

Have you a better explanation to the continued diatribe by Brown? He does seem entirely too confident to be without some form of backing. Just a possibility, I admit, but this all doesn't add up. period.

I am certain the Chinese would love that. I've been suspecting for sometime that the situation in California is a National security issue. Trump and his people are probably already working on it. Maybe that's why he dropped the Moab during dinner with the Chinese guy?

a reply to: nwtrucker

originally posted by: sjorges2002
I am certain the Chinese would love that. I've been suspecting for sometime that the situation in California is a National security issue. Trump and his people are probably already working on it. Maybe that's why he dropped the Moab during dinner with the Chinese guy?

a reply to: nwtrucker

So would the U.N.. It 'may' have been dipped in the bud. Who knows?

Yet Gov. Brown is flat out too cocky in his latest diatribe. He doesn't strike as having any doubts that he'll succeed in keeping his agenda in play. Unless he's as nuts as the NK leader...

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: sjorges2002
I am certain the Chinese would love that. I've been suspecting for sometime that the situation in California is a National security issue. Trump and his people are probably already working on it. Maybe that's why he dropped the Moab during dinner with the Chinese guy?

a reply to: nwtrucker

So would the U.N.. It 'may' have been dipped in the bud. Who knows?

Yet Gov. Brown is flat out too cocky in his latest diatribe. He doesn't strike as having any doubts that he'll succeed in keeping his agenda in play. Unless he's as nuts as the NK leader...

ive honestly had my doubts about browns mental capacity. he has that same look in his eyes u see in older people who arent quite all their anymore. that blank 100 yard stare

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: sjorges2002
I am certain the Chinese would love that. I've been suspecting for sometime that the situation in California is a National security issue. Trump and his people are probably already working on it. Maybe that's why he dropped the Moab during dinner with the Chinese guy?

a reply to: nwtrucker

So would the U.N.. It 'may' have been dipped in the bud. Who knows?

Yet Gov. Brown is flat out too cocky in his latest diatribe. He doesn't strike as having any doubts that he'll succeed in keeping his agenda in play. Unless he's as nuts as the NK leader...

ive honestly had my doubts about browns mental capacity. he has that same look in his eyes u see in older people who arent quite all their anymore. that blank 100 yard stare

I have it every morning....

originally posted by: Wookiep
Come to think of it....Southern Cali would be like NK and northern Cali would be like SK. Northern Cali wants nothing to do with southern Cali and has been talking about splitting off into it's own state for a while now.

Yep, pretty much. Northern and Southern California have rarely, if ever, been on the same sheet of Music on anything. A lot of it has to do with water, too. California's water problems aren't universal. The problems mainly stem from the water rich north being drained of its water, via the aqueduct, for the desert farms and golf courses and eye sores like L.A. in the south.

This was a big issue for us, growing up in the 80's. I was born and raised in the Northern half. We had a drought in the 80's, and ended up on severe water rationing until the drought broke. However, at least for the North, the dro8ught wasn't severe enough that it depleted our own resources. While it was dry, there was, with basic management, still enough water for everyone up north to get us through the dry season.

However, it was NOT enough to feed naturally dry southern California, now even drier than dry, but because that is where all the rich people, with Hollyweird and their desert golf courses and acres of lawns lived, they got the water pumped down to them with very few restrictions on use. While the rest of us up north watched our lawns wither, and were reusing shower and bath water to water our veggies. By contrast, down in L.A., they were watering their lawns in broad day light.

This is one of many examples, and the idea of Cali splitting off into two states, or its own country, has been around for years. But become like Taiwan? Nope. Because in the case of of Taiwan and China, you are talking about a solid, unified, sovereign, and powerful nation like China focused trying to take back what it views as a rogue republic. However, Taiwan was never officially part of the new communist China, it was part of the old government.

If California managed to successfully secede from the U.S. and become a separate country, we are talking about a new bird. For starters, California has been a state of the U.S. for 150 years. To successfully leave the U.S. requires a complete internal breakdown and constitutional crisis, to the point the U.S. would be nearly powerless to stop it. California isn't the only state or region that has brought up the idea of secession, and region break away movements are getting popular everywhere in the country. Texas has always had one, the south still wants to, the Pacific North West has Cascadia. During the Obama administration, we had states openly defying and flipping the bird to federal mandates, a trend that will increase under Trump, and further under the next successor, if he has one. The federal government has been ineffectively ripping itself apart over the past 15 years, states are becoming more autonomous.

If California seceded, it would not be the only state or region to do so, and would like be a result of a domino effect. In which case, the federal government would be near impotent to stop them when the rest of the country is also breaking off into multiple directions. Thus, the situational crisis in the U.S. would be akin to the break up and fall of the Soviet Union, or the break up of Yugoslavia. You would end up with international intervention to make sure it doesn't break out into all out civil war. Because you know, all these nukes and WMDS and top of the world space age technology we have scattered everywhere.

All this is totally possible, by the way. When you look at the trend of the post Soviet era, we see more and more pushes for balkanization and break-up of hyper political and national entities. The Balkan Wars. The slow but steady break up of the E.U. and NATO. Anti-Globalist trends. It would be sheer hubris to believe ourselves immune, especially when you consider the size and growing divisions in the country.

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: sjorges2002
I am certain the Chinese would love that. I've been suspecting for sometime that the situation in California is a National security issue. Trump and his people are probably already working on it. Maybe that's why he dropped the Moab during dinner with the Chinese guy?

a reply to: nwtrucker

So would the U.N.. It 'may' have been dipped in the bud. Who knows?

Yet Gov. Brown is flat out too cocky in his latest diatribe. He doesn't strike as having any doubts that he'll succeed in keeping his agenda in play. Unless he's as nuts as the NK leader...

ive honestly had my doubts about browns mental capacity. he has that same look in his eyes u see in older people who arent quite all their anymore. that blank 100 yard stare

I'm actually surprised old Moonbeam is even still around. I remember when he was running on the Democratic ticket in 1992 democratic primaries, everyone was cracking jokes. Like:

"Clinton says he smoked pot, but never inhaled. Jerry brown, on the other hand, admits he never exhaled".

I'm also in agreement Moonbeam has gotten pretty funny in the head, from the sounds of it, he might have the onset of possible dementia. He is, after all, 79, and did a lot of acid back in the day.

a reply to: JAY1980

Exactly! The truth is that most caliFornians aren't even human (hence their lack of need for H20).

If you ever go to calfirornia you'll see that its populated mostly by hipsters with pools.

All they ever do is eat almonds!

I've got no problem with california becoming the next North Kore because than we can invade it and fill it with decent hard working REAL americans.