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originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: TheScale
the CalExit push failed recently and was called off due to the main guy involved in it being tied to russian groups who push for succession in western countries. no surprise really since he is living in russia aswell. how u can not be an active resident and push for something like that is beyond me. quite hilarious though.
Pushing it? Not bloody likely. More a swinish suspicion.
I haven't seen anything on any Russian groups being linked to it-which would support my premise that Brown wouldn't even attempt this on his own- so I'd appreciate a link for the information.
I lived in Ca. for about twenty years and I'm no fan of California- outside the USC Trojans and the Rose Bowl- and wouldn't move back without incentive, yet I wouldn't want California gone from the Union, per say.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
I wonder what the popular vote is for war in the ME? Not very high is it?
How about all the crap this nation has undergone from our gov't without ANY mandate!
Where is Brown's mandate for all he's done already?? The public puts up with it. He certainly acts 'empowered'. 'Mandated'. Seen any public backlash to speak of on his rhetoric and actions?
P.S. Congress? Really? What would the popular vote be to enforce California to stay in the Union if Sacramento acts unilaterally?
The majority outside Cali would likely say 'good riddance'.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
This one is an itch I can't seem to scratch. It's more likely a plot for a war author....still worth speculating on.
Off the top, I do not believe Gov. Brown has a big enough 'pair' to tangle with the U.S. gov't by himself. If that is a correct assessment of the man, then it implies an outside California 'backing'. Perhaps even outside the U.S.. Perhaps a U.N.? Mexico? Chinese money? Even cartel backing? Soros? Then list any combination of the above.
California has plenty of oil resources, not to mention untapped off-shore reserves. They also have their largest industry which is agriculture so both food and energy isn't a problem. Water might be, but desalination plants could fix that one. Then there's the open border philosophy. Massive immigration from Asia, Mexico and South America would supply an almost unending source of cheap labor.
All that seems to be missing is the money/investment or commitment to invest in an independent California.
There's absolutely nothing that I can see short of armed intervention by the U.S.to stop it if that's the game plan. The U.N. would recognize the new state faster than any in the past. World opinion would be totally in California's side and dearly love the opportunity to stick it to the bad old U.S. of A..
The argument would be you've supported the Taiwan separation for decades, financially, militarily and have blocked Chinese efforts to reabsorb Taiwan at every turn. What goes around comes around.
The result would be an actual physical wedge in the North American zone featuring a truly world mix, people-wise. It would be the shining example of zero ethnicity for the rest of the world to build upon.
When one domino falls, the rest, or at least many, will follow suit. The beginning of the end of the USA? Not impossible will all that's been going on internally to set this scenario up.
If this isn't just another good idea for a novel, that is.
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: nwtrucker
Now all one needs in California to register to vote is a California ID card or California license. Illegals can get either, automatically.
California resident here. Before I indulge... Please read both these entries from Snopes. Deny ignorance is the motto.
While California did pass a law to increase voter turnout, the state has not made it legal for undocumented people to vote.
Zero evidence has been put forth to support the widely parroted claim that 3 million "illegal aliens" voted in the 2016 presidential election.
originally posted by: Tardacus
never going to happen,
California doesn`t have a military to protect itself from much larger countries,
an independent country, with no military, on the U.S. mainland,would be a prime target for invasion by every 2 bit tin pot dictator. the very existence of an independent California with no military would make it a major nation security threat to the U.S. and will never be allowed to happen.
even the liberals in California can`t be stupid enough to believe that they could survive for very long as an independent country without a military.
originally posted by: allsee4eye
Taiwan is small and does not border China. Not a big concern to China. California is large and borders the US. If California secedes, China could set up military bases there under invitation to defend California from the US.
originally posted by: TheScale
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: TheScale
the CalExit push failed recently and was called off due to the main guy involved in it being tied to russian groups who push for succession in western countries. no surprise really since he is living in russia aswell. how u can not be an active resident and push for something like that is beyond me. quite hilarious though.
Pushing it? Not bloody likely. More a swinish suspicion.
I haven't seen anything on any Russian groups being linked to it-which would support my premise that Brown wouldn't even attempt this on his own- so I'd appreciate a link for the information.
I lived in Ca. for about twenty years and I'm no fan of California- outside the USC Trojans and the Rose Bowl- and wouldn't move back without incentive, yet I wouldn't want California gone from the Union, per say.
i actually made a thread on this when it hit the news. heres a link. u can find the main guys statement about it somewhere aswell
calexit has russian ties
and heres the link to the thread
thread on calexit russian ties