Christians have a **duty** to deny ***Refuge*** to evil people who refuse to change.

a reply to: johndeere2020


I don't know if it's true, but I've read that the Bible we see today, is not what was originally written. Some things have been added over the centuries, and other original passages "adjusted", for one reason or another.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: namelesss

you can love your enemy while killing them if you have to defend yourself.

The very act of Loving one's enemy magically transmutes your 'enemy' into the Beloved!
All the Loving eye sees is the Beloved!

You cannot/need not Love an 'enemy' for more than a moment!

And for the 'Xtian' haters;
"He who does not Love his brother abides in death. Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him" - 1 John 3:14-15 NKJV
"In him" = in unconditional Love/Christ Spirit...

Jesus could have (according to the story) saved 'his own life' by killing others.
Seems that he didn't, for some reason.
Perhaps his life was just not as important (or valuable) as your's? *__-

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: johndeere2020


I don't know if it's true, but I've read that the Bible we see today, is not what was originally written. Some things have been added over the centuries, and other original passages "adjusted", for one reason or another.

No truth to that what-so-ever.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are a good example.

In them (found between the late 1940's and early 1950's in caves near the Dead Sea) are contained many of the Scriptures found in the Bible. One, for example, is the book f Isaiah, complete, except for a few places where it was eroded. It was dated to the 3rd century B. C. E., or 300 years before Christ was born. About 2300 years ago.

Before this find, the latest extant manuscripts of Isaiah were dated to the 900s C. E.

Yet comparing the existing scrolls and manuscripts, with the Dead Sea ones, over a 1000 years older, we find there is no change at all.

The persons who said they have been added to or changed is flat out lying. And it is getting tiring that the inexperienced and foolish believe everything they hear, that please their ears.

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: namelesss

you can love your enemy while killing them if you have to defend yourself.

The very act of Loving one's enemy magically transmutes your 'enemy' into the Beloved!
All the Loving eye sees is the Beloved!

You cannot/need not Love an 'enemy' for more than a moment!

And for the 'Xtian' haters;
"He who does not Love his brother abides in death. Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him" - 1 John 3:14-15 NKJV
"In him" = in unconditional Love/Christ Spirit...

Jesus could have (according to the story) saved 'his own life' by killing others.
Seems that he didn't, for some reason.
Perhaps his life was just not as important (or valuable) as your's? *__-

Jesus didn't save his life, because he knew he came to the earth for a purpose. To give his life for us. His life is far more precious. But he loves humankind with a great love.

And that person who said it is okay to take ones life while still loving them. You can't do that.

Even Scripture tells us that God HATES everyone that loves violence:

"Jehovah examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one; He hates anyone who loves violence." - Psalm 11:5.

originally posted by: ofnoaccount

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: namelesss

you can love your enemy while killing them if you have to defend yourself.

The very act of Loving one's enemy magically transmutes your 'enemy' into the Beloved!
All the Loving eye sees is the Beloved!

You cannot/need not Love an 'enemy' for more than a moment!

And for the 'Xtian' haters;
"He who does not Love his brother abides in death. Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him" - 1 John 3:14-15 NKJV
"In him" = in unconditional Love/Christ Spirit...

Jesus could have (according to the story) saved 'his own life' by killing others.
Seems that he didn't, for some reason.
Perhaps his life was just not as important (or valuable) as your's? *__-

Jesus didn't save his life, because he knew he came to the earth for a purpose. To give his life for us. His life is far more precious. But he loves humankind with a great love.

And taught to Love like he does:
"As I Am, so can you be!"
To do less means that you have no experience of Christ Love, nor would Jesus recognize you as he can 'tell his followers by their unconditional Love!

Even Scripture tells us that God HATES everyone that loves violence:

Then your scripture most certainly, is polluted with filth!

"He who does not Love his brother abides in death. Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him" (1 John 3:14-15 NKJV)

Only the polluted justify their hatred and sin from the bible and other scriptures.
What egregious vanity and Pride!

a reply to: namelesss

God is indeed love. And he hates what is bad. In fact Scripture inspired by God himself tells us that God's soul hates anyone loving violence:

"Jehovah examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one;
He hates anyone who loves violence." Psalm 11:5.

There are other things that God hates, for example, liars, and slanderers. In fact Scripture which God inspired tells us there are 6 things that are detestable to God, yes 7 things that he hates:

"There are six things that Jehovah hates;Yes, seven things that he detests:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart plotting wicked schemes, and feet that run quickly to evil,
19 A false witness who lies with every breath,
And anyone sowing contentions among brothers."
Proverbs 6:16-19.

In fact in order for a person to be pleasing to God he cannot only love what is good. He is commanded to hate what Jehovah hates, to hate what is bad:

"Hate what is bad, and love what is good." Amos 5:15.

So we must hate violence as well. We must hate lies, murder, and contentions. By loving these things one makes himself an enemy of God:

"Adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is making himself an enemy of God." James 4:4.

There is a reason God decides something is bad and hates it. And that is because it hurts you and your fellowman. And he commands you to love your neighbor as yourself.

He is balanced. For you to say he does not hate badness, means you have not come to know God. For he is too pure to see what is evil. And he certainly does not love what is wicked.

originally posted by: ofnoaccount
a reply to: namelesss

God is indeed love. And he hates what is bad.

And with that inconsistency your argument falls apart.
There is not, nor can there be, any 'hate' in unconditional Love, despite the babblings of various unenlightened 'scriptures'!
It is exactly those unenlightened/unLoving scriptures that hate filled people point to for their hateful validations!
Goddidit!
Crap like that needs to be trimmed, a long needed critical update!

And he certainly does not love what is wicked.

And that statement indicates that you have no experience/Knowledge at all with unconditional Love!
There is not anything that unconditional Love does not embrace.
Even the ignorant and the vain... *__-

And the 'judgment' of 'wicked/evil' is only done by sinners as it is the sin of Pride to judge 'good' and 'evil'.
The Loving eye does not see 'good' and 'evil', it sees the Beloved! *__-