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Trump paves way for Sharia Law federally

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posted on May, 4 2017 @ 06:33 AM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Look at the media, for instance. But if political donations are allowed, then everyone, including the Islamists and evangelicals, should be able to take part.

Religious organizations pay no taxes, therefore should be exempt from government say. Saying a organization that pays nothing to government should have direct influence in their rules seems a bit insane


I know it is pleasant to be secured against those who might abuse their freedoms, but to do so at the loss of freedom seems a bit insane.

Currently the are not exempt if they speak about political candidates from the pulpit, and according to the Supreme Court, taxing such a religious institution creates too much involvement between state and religion. The prohibition goes against both freedom of expression and the freedom of religion.

I realize there is a danger there, and people should criticize where it is does happen. But it isn't a certainty. Freedoms should be certain and universal.




posted on May, 4 2017 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: Kali74

This sounds to me like everyone is free to practice religion. You can practice Islam without practicing Sharia. Sharia is banned in most Muslim countries. It's too backwater.

Women are objects under Sharia. That goes against western ideals of freedom and respect of women. In Muslim republics, Sharia is banned because of this.

Not to mention, if everyone can do anything in the name of practicing Islam, might as well use the wacky Islamic calendar where the current year is still in the 15th century. No, here in the US we use the Gregorian calendar where the year is 2017. No buts. No discussion. Society can use only 1 calendar otherwise it's too confusing.
edit on 4-5-2017 by allsee4eye because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 07:06 AM
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And what happens if someone makes up a new religion where believers are encourage to murder to get to heaven? If we go by the US constitution are they allowed to do that? Come on man, there has to be common sense rather than blindly following what's written in the constitution.



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX

Something about islam now being able to be directly involved with the government, with vast sums of blood oil money coming via superpacs to buy out politicians and institute their grand visions.

Let's be real here, that money is already buying out politicians, and claiming this paves the way for Sharia is hilarious rhetoric. Dem's, fearmongering better than anyone.



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 09:20 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

For the record, "Sharia" simply means "law". Every single denomination, sect, Islamic "school of thought", and Islamic community has its own form of "Sharia" with each variation agreeing on some topics and disagreeing on other topics. So saying it's outlawed is laughable. Even things like our daily prayers & observing Ramadan are parts of Sharia.

However, some Muslim countries and some Muslim communities are secular, meaning they don't place their local or accepted forms of religious laws (Sharia) above their man made laws. Sharia itself does not treat women as objects, but some ultra conservative Islamic sects and communities do. So their Sharia would reinforce their chauvinist views.

For example, the 3 highest populated Muslim countries have already had Muslim female Heads of State just in the last 50 years or so (Indonesia, Pakistan, & Bangladesh). How can Islam as a whole treat women as objects when nearly a third of all Muslims globally have selected a woman to rule over their country? That wouldn't make sense.

But like I pointed out in an earlier post, MSM here only reports on examples that reinforce the negative stereotypes about Islam. They even ignore the political reforms in conservative Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran that are increasing the participation of women in politics because they don't match the stereotypes.



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
There is NOTHING stopping religions from supporting candidates now. NOTHING.
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The only law is that they can not claim tax exempt status while doing so.


Glad you eventually seen what the thread is discussing.



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: neo96

I'm glad you finally see that Sharia and Evangelicalism are very similar.


Shame Christianphobes can't see their cognitive disconnect always bemoaning the Islamophobia.



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 10:57 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Sharia law allows polygamy. Polygamy is illegal in the US. Sharia law written thousands of years ago is incompatible with modern society.



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

There is no one form of Sharia. Why can't you get that through your head?



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Okay. But today we use modern laws that conform to modern values. Freedom. Respect of women. Monogamy. Respect of LGBTQ. Respect of minorities. Sharia law is not used by a single country in the world, Muslim or not. So why should the US use it? Makes no sense to me.



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: SirHardHarry

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: xuenchen
Another phony story with zero sources.

LOL who's bright idea is this?





They probably got the idea from you considering the absence of your propoganda-riddled posts as of late!



You do realize this is from a fake "leaked" document right ?

DaaaHaHaHa



Based on your content I've read, your definition of "fake," seems flimsy at best.

If you say it's "fake," I'm inclined to believe otherwise.


Yeah, basically. If it's not Fox, Brietbart, or a fringe, biased Conservative blog, it's automatically "fake."


I know the drill.

If it's a positive poll = polls are real.
If it's a negative poll = polls are rigged.

If it's a positive (s)election = democracy works.
If it's a negative (s)election = the elections were rigged.

If it's positive news = news is real.
If it's negative news = news is fake.

Funny though, considering even Breitbart is no longer kissing # of Dear Leader, nor Alex Jones.


True that.

And conversely, if a republican (president) does X, Republicans have little to no problem with it while democrats cry foul with the entire essence of their being. But when a democrat (president) does the EXACT SAME THING, Republicans cry foul with the entire essence of their being just because it's a democrat.

Hypocrites, the lot of them



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Okay. But today we use modern laws that conform to modern values. Freedom. Respect of women. Monogamy. Respect of LGBTQ. Respect of minorities.


Did you miss my post where I noted how there are already Muslim groups and movements that fight for those things? And that doesn't include the entire Islamic countries that already accept those things.

Though you're greatly exaggerating by what modern values are, seeing as there are modern laws right here that still disenfranchise minorities & LGBT communities, don't pay women equal value or even respect a woman's ability to dress how she wants, etc. In fact, I constantly see people right here on ATS who claim the federal govt & some State govts right here are encroaching on our freedoms, yet you're arguing that we already have that mythical freedom. Which one is it?

Also, LOL about the monogamy thing. I live in a modern that glorifies pornstars and celebs who are incredibly promiscuous. WTF does monogamy have to do with modern values in America? Even our current president has been married many times, bragged on tape about going into women's dressing rooms unannounced, and bragged about grabbing random women by the p____. Are those the modern values you're speaking of? LOL



Sharia law is not used by a single country in the world, Muslim or not.

Now you're contradicting yourself. If you really believe that Sharia isn't used by any country on Earth, then WTF are you complaining about? By saying this, you're outright saying that today's Muslims don't prioritize any of the things you highlighted earlier as being against "modern values". So which one is it? Are Muslims supposedly pushing what you believe to be Sharia laws? Or are even the world's Muslim majority countries not using what you believe to be Sharia laws?

Are you forgetting that 1) there are almost as many Muslims in the world as there are Christians; 2) there are about 50 Muslim majority countries right now; and 3) it's the conservative right wing that's pushing the executive order mentioned in this thread?



So why should the US use it? Makes no sense to me.

I never said the US should use Sharia. So why are you asking me that? This thread is about an executive order that will make it easier for tax-free religious institutions to dabble in politics. My only real argument here has been that I think the current separation should stand, but if it goes away, then all religions should get to benefit from it.
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posted on May, 4 2017 @ 12:13 PM
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Sharia law is not a religion. a reply to: SaturnFX



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 12:16 PM
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The "Organized" part of "Religion" is the "Devil".



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 02:30 AM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

Ahhh c!mon Saturn that's all fake news until you get it from Fox & Frenz and dem...but yeah while I have not much fear of Sharia taking over the USA anytime soon, keep an eye for our local Christian fundies.
I say if they are gonna meddle beyond a certain point in politics..then tax them with gusto.
Then again they were all silent about Trump the touchy feely guy, they are also more forgiving of other pols who fell short of the grace of gwad, unlike the left, who will punish Elliot Splitzer and the showie telly Wiener the wanker.



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 05:21 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

The Satanists are gonna have a field day with this one.


We sure are.



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: defiythelie
We sure are.


Please take pictures.



posted on May, 6 2017 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: worldstarcountry



bro, its fake news. The article that was posted is from February


As apposed to other right wing posters who've used fake news that are as old as 2010.

Follow the breadcrumbs, if you can't find the original source or keep being redirected then start asking questions and that applies to both left and right, science and religion, boxers of briefs...


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posted on May, 6 2017 @ 01:36 PM
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"Trump paves way for Sharia Law federally"

How desperate can some of you get? Allowing freedom of speech for religious organizations is now considered "paving the way for Sharia" ? Anti-Trump propaganda gets more hilarious by the day.



posted on May, 7 2017 @ 04:40 AM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

Muslims are about 1% of the US population. Not worried about sharia at the federal level. Now, some localities will probably have issues with this, but they already do (dearborne).



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