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House Republicans Pass Bill to End Overtime Pay

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posted on May, 3 2017 @ 01:23 AM
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originally posted by: AttitudeProblem
"Compensation" can be in many forms, so If you like your time off, you can keep your time off...




Again:

“(1) GENERAL RULE.—An employee may receive, in accordance with this subsection and in lieu of monetary overtime compensation, compensatory (paid) time off at a rate not less than one and one-half hours for each hour of employment for which overtime compensation is required by this section.


Parenthesis mine.

What is your argument?




posted on May, 3 2017 @ 01:31 AM
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a reply to: AttitudeProblem


... If you like your time off, you can keep your time off...

... and if not, you can get paid.

That's exactly what the bill says. I'm glad to hear you support it. I'm sure President The Donald thanks you very bigly for your support, too.

TheRedneck



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 01:31 AM
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originally posted by: seagull

Most mom and pops try to avoid overtime in any case.

I'm sure this won't really effect that in the slightest.


As a Senior Manager I do not mind paying for overtime. If I have a lot of overtime that means I need to hire more people, plan and simple. Companies like Boeing that through union agreements dictate that employees are guaranteed XX hours of over time per week. All this means is less jobs available and people work their asses off to get the extra bucks. Where I work we have always had flextime. What this means is you flex your hours to get at least 40 hours per week. If you hit 40 early you can then get more time off later in the week. Is this a bad thing? I don't think so since the vast majority love it. One thing to remember too is most hourly regulations are controlled at the state level, so much of what a employer can or can not do is state level control.

Or we can say the evil republicans are at it again...



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 01:38 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

That's exactly what the bill says. I'm glad to hear you support it. I'm sure President The Donald thanks you very bigly for your support, too.

TheRedneck


I find it interesting that the left have not complained about Obamacare in it makes it beneficial for companies to hire all part time. I don't see the left complaining about a 30 hour hard set work week that their Representatives and administration created.

No, it is those damn republicans trying to create a better life style by allowing employees the ability to choose what is best for them. The forced 30 hour per week is OK...anything created by the left is OK with the left...seems they can't do wrong and the right can't do anything right in their extreme views.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 01:47 AM
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originally posted by: luke1212
a reply to: CB328
had you actually read the thing, the employee has the option of overtime pay or time off. however it does look like if you opt for the time off its up to the company on how and when it is given. no one is taking away overtime pay by that bill.


No the employer has the option. Also the way comp time is figured can be an issue. Say you get a 1 to 1 comp ie 8 hours comp for 8 worked. This way you would lose out on 4 hours. Also comp time typically requires approval to take. Another issue: How long is the comp time good for?

Having come from a field that deals with comp time as an option over holiday pay for mandatory work scheduling, these are all issue our union had to fight over.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 01:51 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck
I would argue that a responsible and wise small business owner would allocate the time owed anyway, and utilize a combination of payroll and scheduling software to generate additional dividends from said allocated funds. Kind of like the way someone should do their 1099's. If one wanted to maximize efficiency and reduce chance of errors, we allocate the taxes we would pay anyways throughout the year instead of figuring out where to get it as April draws nearer every year.

We could simply execute a similar principal in the payroll for owed OT or comped time. So if someone accumalates 100 hours of OT somehow, and wanted to take time off, but then decided anyways to get the $$ it would be a simple process that could be liquidated in a matter of days or even hours. If the employee opts this route, which I infer may happen initially across industries and trades, the employer is acting as a savings deposit for the employee. An interesting relationship which presents some opportunities.

Lets say we pool the OT time and dollars owed equivalent from the entire staff as a formula that becomes invested in blocks of $1000, $2500, $5000 etc ... I mean if we are going to do right by our staff, we may as well make sure their money they have essentially entrusted us to pay them later can multiply for ourselves as owners a sort of return for this service. Like short term trusts, CD's, bonds etc.. etc..

I would probably try and buy some of the higher yielding foreign bonds for a better short term maturity. But we best stick to safe cash type assets. We cannot get greedy and try our gamble on the Wall Street Casino.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 01:55 AM
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originally posted by: Cypress

originally posted by: luke1212
a reply to: CB328
had you actually read the thing, the employee has the option of overtime pay or time off. however it does look like if you opt for the time off its up to the company on how and when it is given. no one is taking away overtime pay by that bill.


No the employer has the option. Also the way comp time is figured can be an issue. Say you get a 1 to 1 comp ie 8 hours comp for 8 worked. This way you would lose out on 4 hours. Also comp time typically requires approval to take. Another issue: How long is the comp time good for?

Having come from a field that deals with comp time as an option over holiday pay for mandatory work scheduling, these are all issue our union had to fight over.


The employer has the option to use this law. What is preventing them...idk.

The way the time is figures is mentioned throughout this thread.

Here is the bill.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 01:56 AM
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a reply to: CB328

Are you not employed? We are already overworked...



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 01:57 AM
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a reply to: worldstarcountry

You very well may be on to something there.

Larger the company, larger the pool.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 02:10 AM
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a reply to: Cypress
The employer is now given the option to offer the choice, and the employee has their choice as which to take. It does not mean the employee is entitled to the choice, and it also does not mean if the choice is offered, they are required to choose one or the other.

This ultimately grants the private employer the choice to offer an employee a choice on how to be compensated for overtime. I think thats quite swell


a reply to: JinMI
We just have to absolutely remember that we may not be able to maximize a return by going a safer route to ensure we do not let down any families upon payment due. The safest options will probably get us anywhere from



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 02:35 AM
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My ex went through this several years ago.

All OT was cut by the employer, only comp time offered. It sucks.

Have to use it before end of fiscal year or lose it. Which "works just great" when there are government projects you can't get time off from.

It's a total rip off.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 02:38 AM
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Dis good for Us people no more, it not good. No more monkey business over pay time. You right to demand over pay. I think good.

Thank you



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 02:43 AM
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originally posted by: Annee
My ex went through this several years ago.

All OT was cut by the employer, only comp time offered. It sucks.

Have to use it before end of fiscal year or lose it. Which "works just great" when there are government projects you can't get time off from.

It's a total rip off.


As it applies to this bill, the OT is the comp time. Also voluntary and can cash it in anytime should you wish.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 03:02 AM
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a reply to: Willtell
NO WE ARE STILL LIVING IN THE MESS THAT OBAMA AND KILLARY LEFT IN THERE WAKE .trying to slide 80000 radicals in claiming oh those poor refugees you no the ones displace when killary and barry bombed the crap out of their countries.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 03:02 AM
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a reply to: JinMI



Parenthesis mine.

and the word inside it,, doesn't say paid, ...."compensatory time" isnt defined in bill, ya just stuck in there...
I say pass it anyhow, and hire a team of lawyers to tell us whats in it... No sane individual wants to go down rabbit hole #29 U.S.C. (207) paragraph(7) subsection (e) of title (49) section 13(b)(1)...



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 03:18 AM
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originally posted by: AttitudeProblem
a reply to: JinMI



Parenthesis mine.

and the word inside it,, doesn't say paid, ...."compensatory time" isnt defined in bill, ya just stuck in there...
I say pass it anyhow, and hire a team of lawyers to tell us whats in it... No sane individual wants to go down rabbit hole #29 U.S.C. (207) paragraph(7) subsection (e) of title (49) section 13(b)(1)...



(7) extra compensation provided by a premium rate paid to the employee, in pursuance of an applicable employment contract or collective-bargaining agreement, for work outside of the hours established in good faith by the contract or agreement as the basic, normal, or regular workday (not exceeding eight hours) or workweek (not exceeding the maximum workweek applicable to such employee under subsection (a),[2] where such premium rate is not less than one and one-half times the rate established in good faith by the contract or agreement for like work performed during such workday or workweek; or

www.law.cornell.edu...

The statute defining overtime? Why do you need a lawyer to read you the bill that has been posted?

Compensatory as in loss of the wage that you would receive during that work week and compensated during your time off, as I understand it. Without being cryptic, can you explain what you are implying?

ETA:
How about this then:

Compensatory time off is

Time off with pay in lieu of overtime pay for irregular or occasional overtime work, or
When permitted under agency flexible work schedule programs, time off with pay in lieu of overtime pay for regularly scheduled or irregular or occasional overtime work.

www.opm.gov...


edit on 3-5-2017 by JinMI because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 03:37 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

spin it any way you want, but some of the more unscrupulous employers will use it too get out of overtime pay



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 03:42 AM
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a reply to: AttitudeProblem

How exactly??

Without breaking the law.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 04:04 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

In all three I made it to mid-level management before I got seriously tired of the office politics, I don't have the temperament to play that game for long.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 04:07 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

I just crawled out that rabbit hole, I'm not going back in again.. Look for the lobbyist pushing the bill, maybe theres clue there..




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