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20 new science papers find climate driven by solar changes

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posted on May, 12 2017 @ 10:08 PM
a reply to: Justoneman

Although many climate models predict that rising CO2 levels should cause accelerated sea level rise, sea level measurements show that, thus far, in response to roughly 3/4 century of substantial anthropogenically-driven CO2 increases, there has been no detectable acceleration in the rate of sea level rise. In fact, some studies have detected small a deceleration (slowing). Here are some papers which have reported the lack of acceleration in rate of sea level rise (h/t to Alberto Boretti, Robert Dean & Doug Lord):

Multidecadal oscillations in regional sea levels mean that at least 50-60 years of sea level data is required to establish a robust  †Long Term Trend (LTT). See


posted on May, 12 2017 @ 10:22 PM

Temperature record of the past 1000 years

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For information on the description of the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age in various IPCC reports see MWP and LIA in IPCC reports

The temperature record of the past 1,000 years is reconstructed using data from climate proxy records in conjunction with the modern instrumental temperature record which only covers the last 150 years at a global scale. Large-scale reconstructions covering part or all of the 1st millennium and 2nd millennium have shown that recent temperatures are exceptional: the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Fourth Assessment Report of 2007 concluded that "Average Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the second half of the 20th century were very likely higher than during any other 50-year period in the last 500 years and likely the highest in at least the past 1,300 years." The curve shown in graphs of these reconstructions is widely known as the hockey stick graph because of the sharp increase in temperatures during the last century. As of 2010 this broad pattern was supported by more than two dozen reconstructions, using various statistical methods and combinations of proxy records, with variations in how flat the pre-20th-century "shaft" appears. Sparseness of proxy records results in considerable uncertainty for earlier periods.[1]

Individual proxy records, such as tree ring widths and densities used in dendroclimatology, are calibrated against the instrumental record for the period of overlap. Networks of such records are used to reconstruct past temperatures for regions: tree ring proxies have been used to reconstruct Northern Hemisphere extra tropical temperatures (within the tropics trees do not form rings) but are confined to land areas and are scarce in the Southern Hemisphere which is largely ocean. Wider coverage is provided by multiproxy reconstructions, incorporating proxies such as lake sediments, ice cores and corals which are found in different regions, and using statistical methods to relate these sparser proxies to the greater numbers of tree ring records. The "Composite Plus Scaling" (CPS) method is widely used for large-scale multiproxy reconstructions of hemispheric or global average temperatures; this is complemented by Climate Field Reconstruction (CFR) methods which show how climate patterns have developed over large spatial areas, making the reconstruction useful for investigating natural variability and long-term oscillations as well as for comparisons with patterns produced by climate models.

During the 1,900 years before the 20th century, it is likely that the next warmest period was from 950 to 1100, with peaks at different times in different regions. This has been called the Medieval Warm Period, and some evidence suggests widespread cooler conditions during a period around the 17th century known as the Little Ice Age. In the hockey stick controversy, contrarians have asserted that the Medieval Warm Period was warmer than at present, and have disputed the data and methods of climate reconstructions.

You have a Measurement problem.
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posted on May, 12 2017 @ 11:00 PM
Altimetry and Geothermal evidence that support your position have measurement problems.

Do you disagree?
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posted on May, 12 2017 @ 11:24 PM
a reply to: Phage

This is close to estimates from hydrographic data9 of about 0.05 W m-2. So,to accommodate the observed changes using geothermal heat input would require an increase above normal of almost 200% of the expected value. This is unlikely to have occurred and so we conclude that a large part of the warming must be explained by advective changes.

They are "assuming" that the warming cannot be from geothermal heating because it would imply an increase in geothermal activity of 200% above normal.

They found the deep ocean warming, but don't want to accept this 200% increased warming is from geothermal heating, just because they don't want to accept it...

They sound like a few other people around here... The Arctic ocean, the Antarctic ocean, alongside other areas in the Pacific, Atlantic ocean, etc, have also been experiencing an increase in geothermal activity.

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posted on May, 12 2017 @ 11:25 PM
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The Arctic ocean, the Antarctic ocean, alongside other areas in the Pacific, Atlantic ocean, etc, have also been experiencing an increase in geothermal activity.
Whats the reason for the increased geothermal activity?

posted on May, 12 2017 @ 11:44 PM
a reply to: D8Tee

Molten iron river discovered speeding beneath Russia and Canada

The increase in speed of the molten iron jet in Earth's inner core would logically also mean that there is an increase of geothermal/volcanic activity, as well as an increase in seismic activity.

The Sun, as well as the entire environment of our solar system are undergoing strange changes which would affect the Earth and is also affecting, warming up, other planets and moons in our solar system.

Cosmic Rays, especially X-Rays, The Solar System is Receiving Have been Increasing

We are seeing changes, in the form of warming, also affecting the other planets in the solar system.

Pluto is alive—but where is the heat coming from?

Even back in 2002 we knew Pluto's atmospheric pressure had tripled as it was warming the more it moved away from the sun, and this had been happening for 14 years. So Pluto, and maybe even Charon have been warming since 1988, and to this day they are still warming inexplicably.

Pluto and it's moon are too small to be able to produce and maintain this heat internally. Perhaps it is time to look for an outside cause to this warming which seems to be happening in several planets in the solar system, including on Earth.

Scientists find evidence of global warming on Mars

The article above is from May 2016. Mars has also been warming since at least 2001.

Climate Change on Jupiter.
Is shrinking superstorm evidence of climate change on Jupiter?

Climate change on Saturn.

The sudden warming of Saturn at least since 2004 which NASA could not truly explain.

The inexplicable enormous storms that appeared on a normally free storm Saturn but have appeared earlier than ever before.

And now.

Hexagon on Saturn: Nasa scientists ponder colour-changing north pole

Saturn's moon Titan also undergoing warming.
Is Titan Earth's evil twin? Saturn's moon has giant dunes made of METHANE that hint at dramatic global warming

The unexpected warm temperatures of Saturn's moon Enceladus.

It is true that the composition of the atmospheres of all solar system planets are different. But isn't it too much of a coincidence that all these changes are occurring at the same time Earth is undergoing similar changes?

The entire solar system has been entering a new region of the local fluff which is denser, and it's much warmer than the region the solar system was in for about 10,000 years. But it is changing. These changes are affecting our Sun, and every planet and moon. But there are people who don't want to accept these changes are happening.

In my opinion people like Phage don't want to accept that these natural changes are occurring because it would mean they have no control over them, and that freaks people who want to believe they have control over the climate of the Earth. AGW is the illusion that was given to people that we are the ones affecting Earth's climate, when the Earth, and the entire solar system have been experiencing natural dramatic changes.

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posted on May, 13 2017 @ 12:25 AM
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The entire solar system has been entering a new region of the local fluff which is denser, and it's much warmer than the region the solar system was in for about 10,000 years. But it is changing. These changes are affecting our Sun, and every planet and moon. But there are people who don't want to accept these changes are happening.

This argument is part of a greater one that other planets are warming. If this is happening throughout the solar system, clearly it must be the sun causing the rise in temperatures – including here on Earth.

It is curious that the theory depends so much on sparse information – what we know about the climates on other planets and their history – yet its proponents resolutely ignore the most compelling evidence against the notion. Over the last fifty years, the sun’s output has decreased slightly: it is radiating less heat. We can measure the various activities of the sun pretty accurately from here on Earth, or from orbit above it, so it is hard to ignore the discrepancy between the facts and the skeptical argument that the sun is causing the rise in temperatures.

You still have a Measurement Problem.

posted on May, 13 2017 @ 12:35 AM
Anyway, since this thread is in specific about solar driven climate changes wanted to add this to the thread as well.

Tiny Solar Activity Changes Affect Earth's Climate
By Charles Q. Choi, Contributor | January 16, 2013 06:56am ET
Sun's role in Earth's climate

Many of the ways the scientists proposed these fluctuations in solar activity could influence Earth were complicated in nature. For instance, solar energetic particles and cosmic rays could reduce ozone levels in the stratosphere. This in turn alters the behavior of the atmosphere below it, perhaps even pushing storms on the surface off course. [Sun's Wrath: Worst Solar Storms Ever]

"In the lower stratosphere, the presence of ozone causes a local warming because of the breakup of ozone molecules by ultraviolet light," climate scientist Jerry North at Texas A&M University told

When the ozone is removed, "the stratosphere there becomes cooler, increasing the temperature contrast between the tropics and the polar region. The contrast in temperatures in the stratosphere and the upper troposphere leads to instabilities in the atmospheric flow west to east. The instabilities make for eddies or irregular motions."

These eddies feed the strength of jet streams, ultimately altering flows in the upper troposphere, the layer of atmosphere closest to Earth's surface. "The geographical positioning of the jets aloft can alter the distribution of storms over the middle latitudes," North said. "So the sun might have a role to play in this kind of process. I would have to say this would be a very difficult mechanism to prove in climate models. That does not mean it may not exist — just hard to prove."

Tiny Solar Activity Changes Affect Earth's Climate

Sensors (Basel). 2008 Dec; 8(12): 7736–7752.
Published online 2008 Dec 3. doi: 10.3390/s8127736
PMCID: PMC3790986
Cosmic Influence on the Sun-Earth Environment
Saumitra Mukherjee
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SOHO satellite data reveals geophysical changes before sudden changes in the Earth's Sun-Earth environment. The influence of extragalactic changes on the Sun as well as the Sun-Earth environment seems to be both periodic and episodic. The periodic changes in terms of solar maxima and minima occur every 11 years, whereas the episodic changes can happen at any time. Episodic changes can be monitored by cosmic ray detectors as a sudden increase or decrease of activity. During these solar and cosmic anomaly periods the environment of the Earth is affected. The Star-Sun-Earth connection has the potential to influence the thermosphere, atmosphere, ionosphere and lithosphere. Initial correlation of the cosmic and Sun-Earth connection has shown the possibility of predicting earthquakes, sudden changes in atmospheric temperatures and erratic rainfall/snowfall patterns.
Keywords: SOHO satellite data, cosmic, extragalactic, earthquake, change in atmosphere

Declining solar activity linked to recent warming

The Sun may have caused as much warming as carbon dioxide over three years.

Quirin Schiermeier

They found that the amount of visible light reaching Earth increased as the Sun's activity declined — warming the Earth's surface. Their unexpected findings are published today in Nature1.

The study period covers the declining phase of the current solar cycle. Solar activity, which in the current cycle peaked around 2001, reached a pronounced minimum in late 2009 during which no sunspots were observed for an unusually long period.
Haigh's team compared SORCE's solar spectrum data with wavelengths predicted by a standard empirical model based mainly on sunspot numbers and area, and noticed unexpected differences. The amount of ultraviolet radiation in the spectrum was four to six times smaller than that predicted by the empirical model, but an increase in radiation in the visible wavelength, which warms the Earth's surface, compensated for the decrease.

Contrary to expectations, the net amount of solar energy reaching Earth's troposphere — the lowest part of the atmosphere — seems to have been larger in 2007 than in 2004, despite the decline in solar activity over that period.
The full implications of the discovery are unclear. Haigh says that the current solar cycle could be different from previous cycles, for unknown reasons. But it is also possible that the effects of solar variability on atmospheric temperatures and ozone are substantially different from what has previously been assumed.

Here is a direct link to their research paper.

An influence of solar spectral variations on radiative forcing of climate

The sun itself is changing, and seems to be reacting in surprising ways which would also affect Earth and the entire solar system.

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posted on May, 13 2017 @ 12:50 AM
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

From your link..

We also show, using the SIM data, that solar radiative forcing of surface climate is out of phase with solar activity. Currently there is insufficient observational evidence to validate the spectral variations observed by SIM, or to fully characterize other solar cycles, but our findings raise the possibility that the effects of solar variability on temperature throughout the atmosphere may be contrary to current expectations'

This is a round-up of the planets said by sceptics to be experiencing climate change:

Mars: the notion that Mars is warming came from an unfortunate conflation of weather and climate. Based on two pictures taken 22 years apart, assumptions were made that have not proved to be reliable. There is currently no evidence to support claims that Mars is warming at all. More on Mars…

Jupiter: the notion that Jupiter is warming is actually based on predictions, since no warming has actually been observed. Climate models predict temperature increases along the equator and cooling at the poles. It is believed these changes will be catalyzed by storms that merge into one super-storm, inhibiting the planet’s ability to mix heat. Skeptical arguments have ignored the fact this is not a phenomenon we have observed, and that the modelled forcing is storm and dust movements, not changes in solar radiation.

Neptune: observations of changes in luminosity on the surface of both Neptune and its largest moon, Triton, have been taken to indicate warming caused by increased solar activity. In fact, the brightening is due to the planet’s seasons changing, but very slowly. Summer is coming to Neptune’s southern hemisphere, bringing more sunlight, as it does every 164 years.

Pluto: the warming exhibited by Pluto is not really understood. Pluto’s seasons are the least understood of all: its existence has only been known for a third of its 248 -year orbit, and it has never been visited by a space probe. The ‘evidence’ for climate change consists of just two observations made in 1988 and 2002. That’s equivalent to observing the Earth’s weather for just three weeks out of the year. Various theories suggest its highly elliptical orbit may play a part, as could the large angle of its rotational axis. One recent paper suggests the length of Pluto’s orbit is a key factor, as with Neptune. Sunlight at Pluto is 900 times weaker than it is at the Earth.

Measurement Problem

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posted on May, 13 2017 @ 12:55 AM
a reply to: Kashai

Skeptical science is NOT an unbiased source.

It's founder is John Cook.

John Cook authored the thoroughly debunked 97 percent consensus paper.

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posted on May, 13 2017 @ 01:00 AM
a reply to: D8Tee

The Greek word skepsis means investigation. By calling themselves skeptics, the ancient skeptics thus describe themselves as investigators. They also call themselves ‘those who suspend’, thereby signaling that their investigations lead them to suspension of judgment. They do not put forward theories, and they do not deny that knowledge can be found. At its core, ancient skepticism is a way of life devoted to inquiry. It is as much concerned with belief as with knowledge. As long as knowledge has not been attained, the skeptics aim not to affirm anything. This gives rise to their most controversial ambition: a life without belief.

How are you at Billiards?

I am really into the Geometry of the process

posted on May, 13 2017 @ 01:17 AM
a reply to: D8Tee

Neither is any other perspective.

posted on May, 13 2017 @ 01:20 AM
a reply to: D8Tee

As offered the Skeptical orientation is ancient.

Somewhere between 7000 BC and 3200 BC people started to consider that, in so far as a Judea-Christian upbringing and in general.

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