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Another college, another speaker, another cry for censorship

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posted on May, 1 2017 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Here let me float your boat again.


Oh #! Look they censored my word, I'm # censored!! But I'm still # free to say it!! They can # censored my words but they can't censor my message! Freedom!!

This is not called censorship and is not an infringement on my rights. This is merely a filter on some words.
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posted on May, 1 2017 @ 10:53 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

Of course they think that.

We, to that gentleman, and others like him, are the Great Unwashed, we need to know only what they feel we should know...

Hence the attempts by some to limit speech to only that which they approve of.

This is why:


“Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power”--George Orwell.



posted on May, 1 2017 @ 10:53 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Nope.

You can still say whatever you want whenever you want, however, welcome to private property.

Two different things.



posted on May, 1 2017 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: pteridine

The content of what she will say isn't as important as her ability to say it. . .

In my opinion.


My gripe is with CCNY administration panderers and the fact that Sarsour is not an appropriate speaker for a School of Public Health commencement. I'd expect a CDC or USPHS administrator. Sarsour can stand on a soap box on any corner and say what she wants [as long as #BLM and ANTIFA approve, of course].
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posted on May, 1 2017 @ 10:55 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Don't be confused. The issue is free speech.



posted on May, 1 2017 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: Lysergic

LOL private property. The irony is thick.
Isn't ATS a pubic area where everyone can say anything.


+1 more 
posted on May, 1 2017 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

No it's not public.

It's privately owned someone actually pays for the server/bandwith.

AKA The Above Network, LLC.

Get this;

It's a business.

Anymore gems of wisdom tonight?



posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: pteridine

The content of the speech and the speaker herself are secondary to the aspect of free speech.

Was it stupid and controversial? Maybe.

I'm not interested in that aspect so much as I am her ability to even speak.



posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: Lysergic

No gem. No wisdsom. I just simply pointed out the OP.



posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:02 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

So is ATS Public Property?



posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Deaf Alien

So is ATS Public Property?




posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:06 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Take a break.
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posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:06 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Maybe you're just retarded.

Have a nice day.




posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:12 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: JinMI

Of course they think that.

We, to that gentleman, and others like him, are the Great Unwashed, we need to know only what they feel we should know...

Hence the attempts by some to limit speech to only that which they approve of.

This is why:


“Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power”--George Orwell.


Bigotry at its finest.


Sadly, the premise may be right that most can not in fact think for themselves. They can only travel off the coat-tails of the group think.

They are actually fearful that they will eat the propaganda instead of giving it critical thought. That is frightening.



posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:16 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: pteridine

The content of the speech and the speaker herself are secondary to the aspect of free speech.

Was it stupid and controversial? Maybe.

I'm not interested in that aspect so much as I am her ability to even speak.



No maybe about it. Stupid and controversial describe college administrations, along with spineless, overstaffed, and top heavy.
I expect that those graduating from CCNY will put up with any speaker to get their MPH degrees, even a Sarsour. They will tune out her political garbage and likely spend her speech time texting.



posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:16 PM
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Nobody has silenced her. She is still slated to speak at the commencement ceremony.

The people that are being critical of her are mostly Jews, including the Assemblyman whose district has the largest population of Orthodox Jews outside of Israel. Their life experience may lead them to have a stronger opinion about someone connected to Hamas than most of us.

This would be like being critical of a black person (and I guess Jewish person, too) having qualms about David Duke speaking at a commencement.


Heat Street
Former Anti-Defamation League (ADL) chief has slammed Linda Sarsour as a “bigot” who shouldn’t have received an invite from the City University of New York to give a commencement ceremony speech.

Linda Sarsour, a radical Palestinian-American activist who worked with groups linked to Hamas and has promoted Sharia Law, has become the leading figure behind opposition to President Donald Trump after she organized the Women’s March back in January.

On the topic of Sarsour’s looming address at CUNY, the former group’s director said that “She is an enemy of Jewish sovereignty and Jewish liberation. She’s a bigot, and she shouldn’t have been invited [to CUNY].”

But since the university has already done the damage, Foxman notes, her address shouldn’t be cancelled so as to avoid making her a “free speech martyr.” Instead, CUNY should learn about her views and distance themselves appropriately.


The college is sticking to their guns:

CBS Local
Hikind said a taxpayer-funded school like CUNY should not have invited Sarsour and should disinvite her. But CUNY is having none of it. “The program has not changed,” said CUNY School of Public Health Dean Ayman El-Mohandes.


This story spun another way would have people shrieking about a liberal college giving a platform to a Hamas affiliated Sharia Law advocate.



posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:17 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Lysergic

LOL private property. The irony is thick.
Isn't ATS a pubic area where everyone can say anything.


The only thing thick on here is your skull. What part of ATS being a PRIVATE site, owned by individuals, who allow people on IF they follow the terms of service and the basic rules of decorum, do you not understand? If they can kick you off for breaking the rules, it is private and you are their guest.

If you cannot separate the difference between being out in public, and being on a private site on the internet that has rules, then there is nothing more that can be done for you. A grown-up understands that, in the real world, often there are no absolutes. Situational awareness is vital to understand your rights regarding freedom of speech. Many liberal leftists have tried desperately to twist that into something bizarre and unrecognizable, IMO. Be aware that it's MY OWN partisanship coming through, and has no bearing on the OP. They are an embarrassment to this country and to anybody with a brain that knows how to use it properly.

Freedom of speech is, at the heart of it, a very important ideology in a democracy (or in the case of the US, a democratic republic). Debate used to be taught in school. Tis a pity it isn't any more.
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posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:20 PM
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originally posted by: PistolPete
Nobody has silenced her. She is still slated to speak at the commencement ceremony.

The people that are being critical of her are mostly Jews, including the Assemblyman whose district has the largest population of Orthodox Jews outside of Israel. Their life experience may lead them to have a stronger opinion about someone connected to Hamas than most of us.

This would be like being critical of a black person (and I guess Jewish person, too) having qualms about David Duke speaking at a commencement.


Heat Street
Former Anti-Defamation League (ADL) chief has slammed Linda Sarsour as a “bigot” who shouldn’t have received an invite from the City University of New York to give a commencement ceremony speech.

Linda Sarsour, a radical Palestinian-American activist who worked with groups linked to Hamas and has promoted Sharia Law, has become the leading figure behind opposition to President Donald Trump after she organized the Women’s March back in January.

On the topic of Sarsour’s looming address at CUNY, the former group’s director said that “She is an enemy of Jewish sovereignty and Jewish liberation. She’s a bigot, and she shouldn’t have been invited [to CUNY].”

But since the university has already done the damage, Foxman notes, her address shouldn’t be cancelled so as to avoid making her a “free speech martyr.” Instead, CUNY should learn about her views and distance themselves appropriately.


The college is sticking to their guns:

CBS Local
Hikind said a taxpayer-funded school like CUNY should not have invited Sarsour and should disinvite her. But CUNY is having none of it. “The program has not changed,” said CUNY School of Public Health Dean Ayman El-Mohandes.


This story spun another way would have people shrieking about a liberal college giving a platform to a Hamas affiliated Sharia Law advocate.



CUNY School of Public Health Dean Ayman El-Mohandes is the pal who invited Sarsour for his agenda, whatever that is.

ETA: Rationale for Sarsour to speak-- sph.cuny.edu...
Blather on, Linda. The graduates will survive the speeches and remember nothing other than getting their diplomas.
edit on 5/1/2017 by pteridine because: ETA



posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

True, they don't.

But I wouldn't silence the commies and the socialists and all the other assorted nutbags just because I disagreed with them.

Even idiots have the right to speak freely.

And we should stand up for them to do so.


Damn Skippy!




posted on May, 2 2017 @ 06:21 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
Isn't ATS a pubic area...


Hey now!!!

It is, which is why I hang out here.



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