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When Giants ruled the Holy Land

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posted on May, 1 2017 @ 11:04 AM
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When it comes to claims for the Holy Land and Jerusalem it is overlooked that the oldest is Hurrian, the earliest establishment there dates to the extension of Kura-Araxes Hurrian culture into that region when Egypt was the dominant power and were they existed as vassal states.;




The very name used by the Egyptians for Canaan since the early 15th century B.C. was the Land of Ḫor (Ḫ3r)1, a word which at first had an ethnic connotation, designating the Hurrians, but was later used geographically and survived in the “Horites”.

Hurrians in Canaan


The Hurrians or Horites were those giants of the bible, of ancient European stock from South of the Caucasus, interestingly the only attested basis for Hebrew tradition as represented in the Bible is actually Hurrian;


Nuzi was a Hurrian administrative center not far from the Hurrian capital at Kirkuk in northern Iraq. The major find was more than 5,000 family and administrative archives spanning six generations, ca. 1450-1350 BC.

They deal with the social, economic, religious and legal institutions of the Hurrians. The tablets tell of practices similar to those in Genesis such as adoption for childless couples (Gn 16; 21:1, inheritance rights (Gn 25:29, marriage arrangements (Gn 28 and levirate marriage (Gn 38; Dt 25:5. They also demonstrate the significance of the deathbed blessing (Gn 27; 48 and household gods (Gn 31:14 30. Some Nuzi tablets, called “tablets of sistership,ve agreements in which a man adopted a woman as a sister. In the society of the Hurrians, a wife enjoyed both greater protection and a superior position when she also had the legal status of a sister.

In such a case, two separate documents were drawn up, one for marriage and the other for sistership. This may explain why both Abraham (Gn 12:10 20:1and Isaac (Gn 26:7) said their wives were their sisters. It is possible that they had previously adopted them to give them higher status, in accordance with the custom of the day. Family records were highly valued at Nuzi, being passed down from father to son for as many as six generations.

Nowhere else in the ancient Near East is this kind of reverence for family documents illustrated, except in the Old Testament.

The Nuzi records demonstrate that the cultural practices recorded in the book of Genesis are authentic

The Nuzi Tablets


The tablets of course only authenticate Hurrian tradition and that the Hebrews are imitating it, so at the very least we can consider the Hurrians highly influential on the Hebrews, but there is much more.


Jerusalem was apparently a Hurrian-controlled city before it was captured by David. During the Amarna period, the king of Jerusalem was named Abdi-Heba , another mixed Hurrian-Semitic name meaning “servant of [the goddess] Heba.”

Araunah (or Aravnah/Arawnah), from whom David bought a threshing floor and turned it into an altar (2 Sam 24:16, 24), can be explained as a form of Ewri, Hurrian for “lord”

Hurrian cadre in King Davids Court


The threshing floor that David is said to bought and which became the site for Solomons Temple maintained it's original cultic signifcence in Biblical tradition;


There are some passages where the connection between threshing floors and Yahweh is explicit with a theophany (2 Sam 6:6-7//1 Chr 13:10-11; 2 Sam 24:15-26//1 Chr 21:16-27). Other passages are more implicit showing that threshing floors were thought to be connected to the divine due to their selection for cultic activities Cultic activities that occur on threshing floors include: mourning rites, divination rituals, cultic processions and sacrifices. Likewise, the building of the Solomonic temple on a threshing floor is connected to a theophany to King David and subsequent cultic activity on that particular threshing floor


However the threshing floor in the Hurrian context would have been associated with the Goddess Sauska (Semitic Athtart/Istar) and the Mount itself her brother/consort Tesub, the Ain Dhara Temple of Syria dedicated to those two Deities also the closest equivalent to the Solomonic, the convening on the threshing floor and offering of sacrifices would have related to harvest festivals;



Also interesting is that the Hebrew vague notion of Sheol is derived from the name of a well attested Hurrian Goddess of the region Suwala;


The Semites had no own conception of the netherworld and conceived dead as a travel to join the forefathers. Hebrew Sheol was a borrowing, as shown by its connection with Šuwala.

This still appears linguistically in the use of the word as feminine and in the fact that God was not supposed to have created the netherworld. Where did the Hebrew tradition borrow the name and the conception of Šuwala as a goddess of the netherworld? – Possibly in Jerusalem, where Hurrian dynasty was ruling at least from the 14th to the first part of the 10th century B.C.

The Hurrian conception of the role of Šuwala appears best in a Hurrian myth, in which her name is replaced by her title Allani, “the Lady”, “the Queen”




It was the case that after the conquest of Jerusalem Hurrian culture was pretty much eradicated in the region all the former City states having fallen to the Habiru, indeed the biblical narrative suggests a genocidal approach to the former occupants;


Beside Šuwala and the stereotyped mentions of the Horites, no traces of Hurrians appear in Canaan after the 10th century B.C. No places bear a Hurrian name and the individuals of Hurrian descent were obviously assimilated to the bulk of the local population, no longer bearing personal names that could be related to their ancestral language and culture.


It is the case that much of Hebrew tradition concerns itself with the Theological premise for the true son/heir of God, the Hurrian term for this Aplu as seen in the Nuzi tablet tradition a much simpler affair to understand as for example Aplu Enlil referred to the son/heir of Enlil, generally understood as Nergal and were Aplu is also considered the basis for Apollo, which is to say the title was given to the Sun God of the Underworld that translated through the polarities of darkness and light, as the consort of Suwala this tradition would already have been present at Jerusalem prior to it's conquest.

Apart from Nergal as the true son and heir the role is related to Tesub (Semitic Baal Hadad) and indeed generally it is Tesub that is understood to replace and succeed Kumarbi/Enlil in Hurrian culture, the oldest basis is that of the death dealing archer God of the hunt but even in Etrusca Aplu had association with the storm and the cult of the warrior that defended the city state and the Divine Order, the Sumerian equivalent Ninurta.

Suwala-Nergal/Baal Hadad





posted on May, 2 2017 @ 02:39 AM
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The site shown on the map in the OP that is considered a Trans-Caucasian settlement is Khirbet Kerak


The tell spans an area of over 50 acres—one of the largest in the Levant—and contains remains dating from the Early Bronze Age (c. 3000 BC - 2000 BC)

Khirbet Kerak ware" is a type of Early Bronze Age Syro-Palestinian pottery first discovered at this site. It is also found in other parts of the Levant (including Jericho, Beth Shan, Tell Judeideh, and Ugarit). Khirbet Kerak culture appears to have been a Levantine version of the Early Transcaucasian Culture.


Interestingly it is considered these had trade and political relations with the First Dynasty of Egypt, and i have also suggested that the Trans-caucasians were involved in the development of pre-Dynastic Egypt as in The Arrival of the Longships


The 2009 discovery at the tell of a stone palette with Egyptian motifs, including an ankh,points to trade/political relations with the First dynasty of Egypt, at approximately 3000 BCE


Also at Khirbet Kerak was a large granary and kiln complex administrative building which is reminiscent of similar found at Jemdet Nasr the formative culture of Dynastic Sumer which is considered to have been related to a central authority ration based distribution system, also from Jemdet Nasr the confederation of Sumerian city states was established, so i consider similar sites found elsewhere, another example being Edfu the city of Horus in Egypt.



A large (90×120 feet) building ("the circles building") was built in the EBIII, at the northern part of the tel. Of this building only the basalt foundations of the walls remain, in the form of a pavement 30 feet wide. In this pavement, ten sunken large circles were found. Each circle is intersected by two partition walls forming four compartments. In the courtyard were ovens in which Khirbet al-Kerak pottery was found. The building is generally identified as a public granary. At full capacity, the granary could hold an estimated 1700 tons of grain




Khirbet Kerek excavations



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 03:46 AM
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It has always amused me how people quote some religious text as if it were the word of god when in actuality it is the word of those who went before the writers put a pencil/pen/quill to some writing material. Judaism had a profound effect on the first writings/chapters in the Quran just as others who went before had a profound effect on the old testament and Judaism.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 04:24 AM
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There may be vague memories of this period in what Ezekiel says to Jerusalem;
"Your father was an Amorite and your mother was a Hittite"- Ezekiel ch16 v3.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Probably because the majority local population was always Semitic/Amorite and they tended to confuse Hurrians with Hittites, it was that ethnic inbalance between the ruling Hurrians and the general populace which would have been a major factor in the subversion and overthrowing of their City states, the giants were vilified...

a reply to: 727Sky

Yes all the common law and practise would already have been established by the Hurrians who had established civilization there two thousand years prior to the Judean takeover of Jerusalem, they would also have kept extensive records of ancestors and clans as the basis for rule and ownership, a practise which the Hebrews adapted to establish their claim.


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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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As a long time lurker an avid reader of your threads, I just want to pay my respect. Mr. Kantzveldt. You are by far my favorite poster on ATS. The connections you establish are mindblowing to say the least..



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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Very interesting read. Was hoping to see something about the Giants referenced in the post title though.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 09:40 AM
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Thanks, there needs to be a major reconsideration of the development of civilizations in the Near East that factors in the Hurrians, what they provided was expertise in mineral and ore extraction from the Highlands they generally occupied as well as developments in metallurgy and craft skills, those working in conjunction with the agricultural lowland societies.

The recent excavations at Khirbet Kerek should help this as it demonstrates that Trans-Caucasians were instrumental in establishing those City states of Canaan at a date far earlier than generally considered, which is around the time of the Mitanni Kingdom circa 16th century BC.

a reply to: jjkenobi

Comparatively speaking the Hurrians would have been giants compared to the Semitic population, they had expanded from Azerbaijan South of the Caucasus, a Eurasian population that had gathered there from the time of the last Ice age having moved down from the North, and re-expanded back into it as well as expanding Southward, they could have been similar to say the Tocharians.


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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 01:59 PM
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The Hurrians or Horites were those giants of the bible, of ancient European stock from South of the Caucasus,


What makes you think these giants were Europeans & not Africans or Mongolians?

are you trying to imply that Europeans are decedents of angels & gods?

please explain.






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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: ancienthistorian

The Hurrians expanded from South of the Caucasus and spoke a NW Caucasian language, the names of given giants are Hurrian with regards to the Anakim;


Hebron had long been an important Hurrian center in Canaan. At the time of Israel’s wilderness generation, the Bible indicates that Hebron was ruled by three “sons of Anak”: Sheshai, Talmai, and Ahiman (Num 13:22). Sheshai is a Hurrian name attested at Nuzi and, most likely, on scarabs from Egypt and Canaan from the Hyksos era. Talmai is also “typically Hurrian, with deity’s name omitted


Hurrians in King Davids court

The only thing implied is that Hurrians were tall.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 02:30 PM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi
Very interesting read. Was hoping to see something about the Giants referenced in the post title though.


Sadly the Greek Septuagint mistranslated "gibor" for "giants" Instead of "warrior men".



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: Kantzveldt

Nice thread...

But what is the conclusion?



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: ancienthistorian

The Hurrians expanded from South of the Caucasus and spoke a NW Caucasian language, the names of given giants are Hurrian with regards to the Anakim;


Hebron had long been an important Hurrian center in Canaan. At the time of Israel’s wilderness generation, the Bible indicates that Hebron was ruled by three “sons of Anak”: Sheshai, Talmai, and Ahiman (Num 13:22). Sheshai is a Hurrian name attested at Nuzi and, most likely, on scarabs from Egypt and Canaan from the Hyksos era. Talmai is also “typically Hurrian, with deity’s name omitted


Hurrians in King Davids court

The only thing implied is that Hurrians were tall.



Ok but what is your conclusion then?

That Europeans were mistaken for giants?
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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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It's complicated, the Hurrians and Proto-Hebraic culture of Ebla had previous, the Hurrian Deities had decided the destruction of that City and reduced the occupants to Habiru status, the subversion and conquest of the land of Hor was payback, the creation of a counter religious tradition that vilified the Hurrian and dedicated the sacred Mounts of Teshub to Yahweh deliberate.

Origins of the New World Order






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posted on May, 3 2017 @ 02:06 AM
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a reply to: Kantzveldt

You're an expert at solving mysteries Kantzveldt and I really admire your work , this thread has actually been very helpful for me.

Keep up the good work



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posted on May, 3 2017 @ 05:04 AM
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a reply to: Kantzveldt

So whats the conclusion then? We repeat what the Torah says?



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 05:10 AM
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a reply to: Kantzveldt

I have read my fair share of Near-Oriental history, but the Hurrians never seemed to figure much or receive the attention their importance demands, as you so clearly demonstrate..



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: combatmaster

I'm just sourcing information to help people arrive at their own better informed conclusions, personally though i consider the Hurrian perspective the more reliable and justified in terms of ongoing struggle against evil world orders.

There are a lot of intriguing aspects with regards to the legacy of Hurrian Jerusalem, for example the association with a personified and Feminine Holy Spirit in terms of Ruha Qudosh as rendered in the Semitic, to the Hurrians though that would have been Suwala or Allani in terms of title, to the Hebrews Sheol, her domain was the Earth's interior.



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posted on May, 3 2017 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: Kantzveldt

Great post OP . I was reading it earlier and decided to post this newearth clip on the Nimrod castle



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: glend

originally posted by: jjkenobi
Very interesting read. Was hoping to see something about the Giants referenced in the post title though.


Sadly the Greek Septuagint mistranslated "gibor" for "giants" Instead of "warrior men".





...but the Hebrew word “gibor” literally means “mighty man, warrior.”

Patheos

"Mighty"...


great or imposing in size or extent


Miriam Webster Dictionary



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