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San Diego Fights Back: Says 'We Will Not Tolerate Sharia Law In Our Schools'

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posted on May, 1 2017 @ 01:36 PM
a reply to: ColdWisdom

Lol. More like "10 unsourced claims we are making to sate your biases". Nice to see you posting confirmation bias fodder. Got any other gems of Islam hate for me?

posted on May, 1 2017 @ 02:05 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t


CAIR's Origins

From the Hamas ties of its founders in 1994 to its solicitous stance toward accused terrorists today, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has demonstrated that its actual mission is far removed from the civil rights advocacy it claims to pursue.

Still standing as perhaps the clearest evidence of CAIR's insidious role, two key leaders of the group attended a 1993 meeting in Philadelphia called by Hamas members and supporters to devise a strategy for torpedoing the Oslo Accords aimed at Middle East peace.

An analysis of secret recordings of the meeting led the FBI to conclude that the gathering was held "to determine… [the participants'] course of action in support of Hamas' opposition to the [Oslo] peace plan and to decide how to conceal their activities from the scrutiny of the United States government."

Participants in that 1993 meeting discussed tailoring their message to an American audience, speaking of outright deception at times and of softening their rhetoric at others, as the following exchange between CAIR founders Omar Ahmad and Nihad Awad shows:

Awad: What is important is that the language of the address is there even
for the American. But, the issue is how to use it.
Omar Ahmad: There is a difference between you saying "I want to restore the '48
land" and when you say "I want to destroy Israel".
Awad: Yes, there are different but parallel types of address. There
shouldn't be contradiction. Address people according to their minds.
When I speak with the American, I speak with someone who doesn't know
anything. As for the Palestinian who has a martyr brother or something, I know how to address him, you see?

Cair's Funding

The Council on American-Islamic Relation (CAIR)'s financing over the years challenges its self-description as a benevolent group out to protect the civil rights of the Muslim community in the United States.

The clichéd admonition to "follow the money" gives a clear picture of the group's actual role as an enabler for organizations linked by the U.S. government to Islamic terrorism, prominently including the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF).

Indeed it shows a two-way flow of support both to and from HLF, which since has been named as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist Organization and indicted on charges of providing material support to Hamas. Our examination of CAIR focuses today on its finances.

• HLF made a $5,000 donation to the then-newly formed CAIR as early as 1994. Apparently sensitive to the impact public disclosure of their group's funding by HLF could have, CAIR's leaders repeatedly denied any such connection.

Asked during a 2003 civil deposition, "Did they [HLF] give you any money to help start CAIR?" Omar Ahmed, one of its incorporators, flatly responded, "No." CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad echoed that position in testimony prepared for a September 10, 2003 Senate hearing, declaring, "Our organization did not receive any seed money from HLFRD."

The Suspect Ties of CAIR Officials, Fundraisers and Trainers

The questionable associations and actions by many of its leaders cast serious doubt on CAIR's claims of moderation and restraint. Some have committed criminal acts themselves; others have ties to organizations with connections to Islamic extremism.

Those convicted of direct criminal activity include Ghassan Elashi, a founding board member of CAIR-Texas; Randall (Ismail) Royer, once a communications specialist for the national group, and Bassam Khafagi, the organization's one-time director of community relations.

In the more egregious cases, the organization has tried to distance itself from the individuals, contorting both logic and the English language. As the IPT's series on CAIR's history and activities continues, we look at the suspect nature of these examples and others close to the organization.

• Ghassan Elashi, who attended a 1993 Philadelphia meeting called by Hamas to discuss derailing U.S. peace initiatives, was convicted in 2004 on six criminal counts, including making false statements, conspiracy to violate the Export Administration Regulations and the Libyan Sanctions Regulations, and conspiracy to file false shipper's export declaration forms. He was a defendant again in the 2007 Hamas-support trial of the Holy Land Foundation (HLF), where jurors were unable to reach unanimous verdicts on the charges against him.

CAIR Remains Apologist for Terrorist Hamas, Seeks To Silence Critics

To say that The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has contorted logic and language to avoid criticizing its early patron, the terrorist group Hamas, would be damning enough. But the full truth is even worse: CAIR and its leaders have, over the years, actively supported Hamas positions and regularly done their best to discredit critics of militant Islamic activity.

Those ties with Hamas are at the center of today's installment in our examination of CAIR's history and activities.

• CAIR's incorporator and current executive director, Nihad Awad, stated his position unequivocally in a 1994 symposium at Barry University in Florida. "I am in support of the Hamas movement," he declared.

Awad also echoed Hamas' absolute rejection of Israel's right to exist, writing later that year to the American Muslim publication, The Message, that he hoped its use of the word "Israel" in an article had been "the result of an oversight" and that the magazine would "return to the terminology ‘Occupied Palestine' to refer to that Holy Land."

CAIR and Terrorism: Blanket Opposition to U.S. Investigations, Equivocal Condemnations for Plots Against America

CAIR's soft spot for terrorists extends well beyond the Hamas connections documented in yesterday's installment in this comprehensive series on the group. Today we focus on its portrayal of virtually any law enforcement action against radical elements as an assault on all American Muslims.

• Days after the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, CAIR-New York Executive Director Ghazi Khankan used an online chat with the Washington Post to launch a weeks-long campaign casting them as part of a conspiracy to discredit Muslims. Citing spurious evidence, he claimed that "many of the names of the terrorists are people impersonating innocent Muslims and Arabs."

The list goes on.

Get out of my thread with that BS or come back when you have something of substance to contribute.

posted on May, 1 2017 @ 02:13 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t

CAIR Portrays "War on Terrorism" as Malicious "War on Islam"

"The new perception is that the United States has entered a war with Islam itself," CAIR Chairman Parvez Ahmed declared at Washington's National Press Club in July 2007.

But, in fact, CAIR officials and spokesmen have been peddling that same "new perception" ever since the 9/11 attacks in 2001. They have portrayed virtually every intervening prosecution of an alleged terrorist who is Muslim and every investigation of an alleged terrorist front group as an insidious attack on their religion.

Today's sixth installment in IPT's detailed analysis of the self-proclaimed civil rights group focuses on its protestations that the war on terrorism amounts to a war on Islam.

• CAIR and other Muslim groups issued a joint statement after the U.S. government froze the assets of the Texas-based Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF) in December 2001, warning that the action "could create the impression that there has been a shift from a war on terrorism to an attack on Islam." A CAIR press release issued the same month warned of "a drumbeat of anti-Muslim rhetoric from those who are taking advantage of the 9-11 tragedy to carry out their agenda of silencing our community and its leadership."

CAIR Seeks To Define Away Threat Posed by Radical Islamists

Jihad? Fatwa? Wahhabism? Islamist terrorism? All terms distorted or created by the U.S. government and media to stigmatize the Muslim religion and scare the public -- or so CAIR officials would have you believe.

But their protestations ignore much evidence to the contrary available in radical Islamist writings, as well as statements by CAIR officials themselves intended for internal consumption.

IPT's detailed examination of CAIR focuses today on its leaders' reassuring words, and places them in the context of reality.

CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad sought to define away Islamic fundamentalism in an August 1998 interview on NPR's "Weekend Sunday." Said Awad, "You know, holy war is like fatwa, it's become a buzz word. And I think they're severely misunderstood. I don't see holy war as a concept in Islam, it is not, it does not exist …. Jihad means legitimate struggle." He listed what he termed "noble meanings" of jihad in Islam: A mother's effort to raise her children, a struggle against injustice, "an honest person who wants to get good life."
Hussam Ayloush, director of CAIR-Southern California, agreed in an April 2005 lecture at Chaffey College. "Jihad is the Arabic word for strive. Any struggle in a person's life, not just a Muslim's, is a jihad," Ayloush said. "Being a student is a jihad because you are striving to learn."
But those, and other, reassuring definitions appeared to be aimed for public consumption. In contrast, when CAIR Chairman Omar Ahmad spoke at the 1999 IAP convention, he defined "jihad" as, in part, "to fight in the Way of Allah. To make war."

CAIR rejected negative meanings ascribed to a broader range of words when teams taking part in a Muslim football tournament in California in 2004 chose names such as "Intifada," "Mujahedeen" and "Soldiers of Allah." As an article in The Washington Post described the teams' uniforms: "Intifada featured a man wearing a military helmet, his face -- save his eyes -- covered by a bandana. The Soldiers of Allah emblem showed a masked man in the act of firing a slingshot, and Mujahedeen's depicted a horse-borne figure in flowing robes, bearing a weapon on his shoulder."

CAIR Has Backed Islamist Meetings, Denigrated Muslim Moderates

CAIR has co-sponsored and taken part in multiple Islamist conferences in the United States, while at the same time condemning and seeking to censor more moderate Muslims.

Those actions are described in today's installment in IPT's comprehensive 10-part series on the group. Among the highlights:

In May 1998, CAIR co-sponsored with IAP, HLF, MAYA and others a rally at Brooklyn College where speakers spewed anti-Jewish rhetoric.
Radical Egyptian cleric Wagdy Ghoneim -- denied entrance to Canada earlier in the year based on his membership in Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood -- told those attending that "…Allah says he who equips a warrior of Jihad is like the one makes Jihad himself," then led the audience in a song with the lyrics: "No to the Jews, descendants of the apes."

Despite the fact that a meeting program lists CAIR as a co-sponsor, group officials consistently have denied any role in the event. "As executive director of CAIR, I had never heard of this event, let alone authorize[d] sponsorship for it," Nihad Awad said in 2003 Senate testimony. Spokesman Ibrahim Hooper not only denied CAIR involvement in the event, but added, "I don't even know if that [rally] happened."
In October 2000, CAIR co-sponsored another rally, this one in Washington D.C., at which participants voiced enthusiastic support for Hamas and Hizballah.

CAIR Leaders' Statements Illustrate CAIR's Extremism, Anti-Semitism

Repeated statements by CAIR's leaders illustrate the group's extremist and anti-Semitic positions.

Today's installment in the Investigative Project on Terrorism's detailed analysis of the self-proclaimed civil rights group, the ninth in a series, presents a compilation of those statements.

Here are some of the highlights:

• CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper is on record as supporting financial assistance to the families of "martyrs." Reporting in 2002 on tens of millions of dollars that Saudi Arabia had paid to the families of Palestinians killed or injured during the Intifada -- including the families of suicide bombers -- United Press International quoted Hooper as saying that the Islamic faith enjoins Muslims to take care of widows and especially orphans, and that the families of suicide bombers are just as needy as those killed by military attacks.

Hooper was further quoted as challenging critics to "give us a list of Palestinian widows and orphans so Muslims can comply with dictates of not feeding the wrong people," and asking, "Are you supposed to penalize some child, some widow, because of what their father did or did not do?"

• Hussam Ayloush, the director of CAIR-Southern California, has used the term "zionazi" to describe Israeli Jews. "Indeed," he wrote in e-mail correspondence, "the zionazis are a bunch of nice people; just like their nazi brethren! It is just that the world keeps making up lies about them! It is so unfair."

• CAIR has routinely claimed that Jews control the U.S. government and push an anti-Muslim foreign policy. Executive Director Nihad Awad told a Muslim Students Association audience in 1998, for example, to ponder the Jewish origin of many Clinton administration officials.

I dare you to try and ad hominem your way out of this.

posted on May, 1 2017 @ 02:31 PM
a reply to: ColdWisdom

Cool. More unsourced claims from a biased source. Well at least you are proving that you've mastered highlighting text, copying it, and pasting it into a new place.

PS: Nothing I have said is an attack against you. It's an attack against your sources. Which are shoddy and biased. So I'm not ad homineming you. Though I find it funny you took offense to my rebuttal.

posted on May, 1 2017 @ 03:06 PM
a reply to: Woodcarver

I'm KLINGON ,you offend my HONOR so I need your address for a dual...IS tuesday next week good?

It is so FUNNY if not IRONICALLY sad, society has allowed imaginary slights and selfish fantasies are allowed such a place,and some ACTUALLY think we HAVE to do it,or else...

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posted on May, 1 2017 @ 03:43 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t

There are about 10 different sources that I used. Which ones are shoddy and biased, and why?

Are you capable of reading the material and formulating a coherent argument against it? Or are you just going to dodge and deflect from the argument?

posted on May, 1 2017 @ 03:53 PM
As a compromise, let them use the Snackbar.

posted on May, 1 2017 @ 03:56 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t

United Arab Emirates Designates CAIR As a Terrorist Group

In mid-November 2014, the government of the United Arab Emirates (UAE) designated CAIR, the Muslim American Society (MAS), and more than 80 groups from other countries as terrorist organizations. Others on the list included ISIS; al Qaeda and its various branches; the Muslim Brotherhood and its branches; Britain’s Cordoba Foundation; the Muslim Association of Britain; and numerous European Muslim groups based in Italy, Germany, Sweden, Norway and Finland.

CAIR Is Charged with Massive Fraud

In June 2016, the Clarion Project (CP) reported that CAIR would be required to stand trial on charges of fraud and cover up for crimes it allegedly perpetrated against hundreds of people. Said CP on June 20, 2016:

"Two cases are involved in the suit, which the appellate court consolidated into one, since both cases involve racketeering, a federal RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) crime. The lawsuits claim that CAIR National was aware that Morris Days, the 'Resident Attorney' and 'Manager for Civil Rights' at the now defunct CAIR-Maryland/Virginia chapter in Herndon, Virginia, was in fact not an attorney and that he failed to provide legal services for clients who came to CAIR for legal representation. Moreover, the suits claim, CAIR knew of this fraud and purposefully conspired with Days to keep the CAIR clients [of whom there were hundreds] from discovering that their legal matters were being mishandled or not handled at all. In addition, the complaints allege that, according to CAIR’s own internal documents, there were hundreds of victims of the fraud scheme. While the original federal judge in the case ruled that Days and CAIR’s Virginia chapter were liable for fraud, he concluded that CAIR National was not responsible for Days’ conduct. The [U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia], however, found that, upon a review of the evidence, there was a direct relationship between CAIR National and Days."

CAIR Official Calls for Overthrow of the U.S. Government

In a Twitter message that was posted on election night 2016, once it had become clear that Republican Donald Trump would defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton in the presidential race, Hussam Ayloush, the longtime head of CAIR's Los Angeles office, wrote in Arabic: "Al-Shaab yureed isqat al-nizaam." This was a popular Arab Spring chant meaning, "The people wants to bring down the regime." "In other words," writes Islam scholar Daniel Pipes, "Ayloush unambiguously and directly called for the overthrow of the U.S. government."

CAIR Oficial Wishes That Russian Plane Crash Had Resulted in More Deaths

In a tweet he posted on Christmas Day 2016, Hussam Ayloush, executive director of CAIR's Los Angeles chapter, expressed disappointment that the previous night’s crash of a Russian plane into the Black Sea had not resulted in more deaths: “I’m sad about the crashed Russian military jet. The TU-154 could have carried up to 180 military personnel instead of just 92!”

As scholar and former CIA operations officer Clare Lopez pointed out in response:

"It would seem that CAIR is saying that Islam is not just a religion, but actually a legal system (hint: it’s called 'sharia'). This is quite forthcoming of them, because in fact, of course, Islam is not merely about diet/fasting, devotion, prayer, worship, pilgrimage, and proselytizing (Da’wa), which are completely 100% protected by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. No, as CAIR is rightly pointing out, Islam is also a 'complete way of life' ... which governs every aspect of a Muslim’s life and actually forbids a separation between faith and governance.... The reason the Muslim Brotherhood and all other sharia-adherent Muslims cannot accept that sharia provisions that conflict with U.S. law be superseded by Constitutional law in American courts is precisely the notion that Islamic law must dominate all other laws on earth in every respect.... [A]lthough sharia indeed contains legal prescriptions about devotion and worship as well as many other aspects of life, there are also multiple elements of sharia that are utterly antithetical to the U.S. Constitution and Declaration of Independence."

Excellent Source

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posted on May, 1 2017 @ 04:01 PM
a reply to: ColdWisdom

People tend to have selective memoriesCAIR was a terrorist group been monitored by the FBI also, until Obama invited them to the white house and surrounded himself with their trash.

Now they have splinter cells in the name of Islamic relationship groups all over the US thanks to Obama and the tax payer.

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posted on May, 1 2017 @ 04:11 PM
a reply to: ColdWisdomapparentally the school board does not understand that separation of church and state laws doesn't just mean you can't have christian stuff in their schools but all religions are supposed to be banned. what they should be teaching that no law shall be held higher than are constitution.

posted on May, 1 2017 @ 09:25 PM
Islam is the zombie virus that is spreading throughout the world.

posted on May, 1 2017 @ 10:54 PM

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: ColdWisdom

People tend to have selective memoriesCAIR was a terrorist group been monitored by the FBI also, until Obama invited them to the white house and surrounded himself with their trash.

Now they have splinter cells in the name of Islamic relationship groups all over the US thanks to Obama and the tax payer.

posted on May, 2 2017 @ 01:55 AM

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ColdWisdom

You are seriously overhyping this event. It's just a handful of people voicing their concerns. They haven't actually accomplished anything and the policy they are complaining about is still in effect. Hell, they didn't even have a conversation about it. They just whined to the counsel then the meeting continued as planned.

Board members were prohibited from responding to the speakers because the item was not on the agenda.

I don't even see what the big deal is. What's so harmful about any of this?:

The program includes making teachers and staff aware of when Muslim holidays occur, setting up professional staff development training on awareness of and advocating for Muslim culture, providing resources to students during Ramadan, and giving teachers history and social science materials, among other things.

Part of the issue they had with the program is the Hamas funding. Don't you find it concerning that the funding for this program is coming (at least in part) from a known terrorist organization?

That is a hard NOPE for me.

Give me some tinfoil for my hat here, but I'd be worried what sorts of study materials were being handed out to students where Hamas is involved. The new breed of terrorist is home-grown these days and what better way to start the ball rolling, so to speak.

posted on May, 2 2017 @ 06:49 AM

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Krazysh0t

There are about 10 different sources that I used. Which ones are shoddy and biased, and why?

What? All your links are from the same site. The Investigative Project on Terrorism. And NONE of those articles sourced their content. They just preach at you. I instantly distrust sources that don't source their work.

Are you capable of reading the material and formulating a coherent argument against it? Or are you just going to dodge and deflect from the argument?

Are you going to find an unbiased source? (well less overtly biased that is...) I don't trust shady sites on the internet like that.
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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 06:50 AM
a reply to: Subrosabelow

Except that wasn't proven as I've shown in this thread.

posted on May, 2 2017 @ 06:51 AM
a reply to: ColdWisdom

Like I said. If you live in the UAE then you can call them a terrorist organization. I've already acknowledged that in the thread. The USA has NOT designated them a terrorist organization though.

posted on May, 2 2017 @ 07:06 AM

posted on May, 2 2017 @ 09:12 AM
a reply to: ColdWisdom

A video about a guy scared of Muslims is supposed to prove...what, exactly? In what community, anywhere in the USA, does Sharia Law have any official influence at all?

posted on May, 2 2017 @ 10:18 AM
a reply to: ColdWisdom

How many of these democrats holding elected positions in their cities, states, senate, etc are just totally clueless automatons that regurgitate talking points and only think with their emotions?


Nary one original thought among the borg unimatrix zero.
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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 10:47 AM

originally posted by: DupontDeux

“We believe all our schools should be safe places for all our students,” he wrote. “Schools with large Muslim communities may choose to make areas available for prayer, if that is requested by their parents and students. However, this is no more or less than we would do to accommodate Christians who want to pray at school, or members of other faiths.”

  1. 1)
    Wait, do you guys not have this constitutional thingy that tells religion to stay the heck out of the school? The San Diego School Board should not accommodate ANY religion on school grounds!

  2. 2)
    Making prayer rooms does NOT make for safe environments - just the opposite! Experience from ANY place in the world shows that prayer rooms makes for social control of muslims. That is a fact.

Correct. The constitution requires that public schools do not evangelize or promote any religion.
It also requires that they not suppress any religion.

This seems to have only become a problem because schools DONT discriminate by religion...

See Texas for example..

First, to Texas where we'll hear about a high school classroom that's being used as a prayer room, a move that's drawn the attention of the Texas attorney general.

The school district says students have been praying in the room for years without complaints.

Now it's causing educators to think about how public schools accommodate students and their faith.

From member station KERA in Dallas, Stella Chavez reports.

About a dozen Muslim students are there to pray. Girls wear hijabs, and everyone has their shoes off. They spend the next 15 minutes in prayer. Not everyone thinks this is a good idea. At a recent school board meeting, parent Tim Boyer spoke out.

TIM BOYER: Liberty High School is not a mosque. It's not a synagogue. It's not a tabernacle. It's not a temple. It's not a church. It is a school. It is a public school supported by taxpayers for the purpose of educating our children.

So...NOW conservatives want to ban prayer from schools?

All it took was for a brown person to pray to a different god?

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