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Trump invites Duterte to the White House

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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 03:00 AM
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a reply to: underwerks

Before he became President, one of the largest maximum security prisons in the world was essentially controlled by criminal gangs. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.



edit on 2-5-2017 by monkeyluv because: (no reason given)




posted on May, 2 2017 @ 03:05 AM
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Also, why are forum members surprised about this invitation? The U.S. not only provided more than a billion dollars to support the drug war in Mexico:

www.theguardian.com...

it has been engaged in similar activities for decades:

academic.evergreen.edu...



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 02:26 PM
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as someone who has lived under Duterte, i say you are in essence wrong. the killings and Duterte do not have a 90% approval rating. it only appears so to those who's real source of information is on comments on news items. there are a great many people opposed to both. sadly many of those opposing Duterte have grown fearful of stating their disagreement. this is for good reason. the Philippines has had lots of history with people being killed over their political disagreements. and such dissenters were openly threatened over their views against Duterte. and when you have someone like Duterte imprisoning even those in government who disagree with him (ironically on what appears to be trumped up drug charges, like De Lima), or trying to impeach them. as well as the allowing of not just police, but anyone murdering "suspected" drug users/pushers", with no more "evidence" than a sign on a tied up dead body saying "drug dealer" (i have seen far too many pictures and video of such bodies on the news the last few months) to get away with it. added to that the strong history of police corruption. it makes that fear very real. just a couple days ago a police station was discovered to have a secret and hidden jail cell. this cell was actively overcrowded to the point of most people having no choice but to stand because there was no room. these people in the cell were not charged, in fact the police did not even acknowledge the people were being held by them, for at least days at a time. the purpose was the police trying to extort up to 1 million piso each to not be charged with "drug crimes". also in the last few days was yet another shoot out, resulting in dead drug suspects. they showed pictures of the dead criminals, with a gun, and scattered shells like you would see after being ejected during a gun fight. only problem is the gun was a revolver. and this is not anything new. within the first two weeks of Duterte there were a lot of stories of people seeing such scenes right after it happened, and before news crews got there drugs and weapons magically appeared where none were immediately after. not really surprising with the history of police corruption. corruption which especially the last two governments worked very hard to eradicate. only to have Duterte wipe out most of their gains against that corruption. until Duterte got elected such stories of police blackmailing, especially for such high sums of money had practically disappeared. yet just after he was elected a friend of the family was killed when he refused to pay such a large extortion fee for something he did not do. something that is suspected to be true in a lot of these executions. as well as being people opposed to Duterte. people have even come forward from the very beginning, saying they were forced to murder these people or they or family would be killed.

you are correct he did not take power by force. he was elected, even with the high suspicion of being in charge of the death squads in Davao City, where he was Mayor of. most of his supporters fall into two groups. those and their families who profited greatly under the Marcos dictatorship. who want a return of those great times. and the younger generation that due to the whitewashing of history taught in school think that the Marcos dictatorship was a time of no crime or corruption, and prosperity for all. those young people who are upset at the corruption in the country, not realizing that that corruption is actually left over from the corrupt Marcos regime. and the sad fact is many of those people would cheer him on if he came out and said he was going to open Nazi concentration/death camps for the millions of poor people.

in all honesty the only "clean up" i have seen in Manila is the removal of most of the street vendors in Divisoria. no where else. Taft for example is still like driving through a marketplace with vendors blocking most of the road. as are most areas that have always been clogged with illegal street vendors. crime has not changed for the better. if anything it might be getting worse. police are becoming more corrupt again. i see just as many people on drugs. to be honest, i suspect Duterte is a drug user. just look at his red eyes (when he is not wearing sunglasses), and listen to his speech and what he says. seriously Trump is a masterful orator and puts out brilliant tweets compared to Durerte.

but here is the thing. it is a large part of any county's leader or statesmen like ambassadors to meet, praise and be cordial to all the slime that are leaders and officials of other countries (at least when not at war with them). even Winston Churchill who was extremely against communist Russia (and that is putting it nicely) and it's leaders, was cordial and held talks with Stalin. it is part of the job, putting aside personal feeling for the good of the country, and being cordial and nice even to known child molesters, rapists, mass murderers, thieves, thugs, madmen, etc, and treating them like they are your best buddies. fact is no matter how you personally feel about anyone, or any country should have no bearing on how you treat them. you are the face and expression of your country's interests. you can hate them, but need to act like they are your best friend. or when called for even if it is your best friend, should treat them as an enemy. there is no room for your personal feelings, the needs and aims of the country come first, last and always.

in this case Trump needs to repair the damage Obama did to the reputation of the US all over the world, not just with the Philippines. and that means being nice even to a psychopath like Duterte.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 01:51 PM
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1 month ago Duterte wanted weapons from Russia, to fight in Mindanao ... Now the Philippines navy is training and running ops with the US navy ... weird!



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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Perhaps he shouldn't be invited to the White House, but absolutely Trump should be meeting with Duterte. The Philippines is incredibly important strategically to the US and our allies in Asia. It would be idiotic not to try and work with them. Also, things will never get better in the Philippines if the US doesn't engage with them, at least that's what liberals would be saying if this was Obama and not Trump.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 02:11 PM
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On the subject of his brutality... I cannot get to upset... sorry maybe that says something about me.. but after we changed the wording concerning human trafficking to clear the road for a SE Asian country to sign on to the TPP and I saw dang few people get upset about that... I cannot be bothered to care here.

Would I rather see Trump help him walk back the bad sure... but the Democrats have zero room to complain, they have no moral high ground... the democratic party should have shouted from the hill tops for change after the last administration did everything it could to align us with a country that is eyebrow deep in human trafficking.



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