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originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
a reply to: TheScale
In terms of concerts, yes, but concerts are very different animals from political rallies (usually, at least, or are supposed to be.) For starters, during concerts, people will leave their "seats" to get closer to the act, especially in less formal rock concerts, for things like moshing, drinking, dancing, crowd surfing, ect. As a result, security, crowd movement, how seating is set up and monitored,are far more fluid and less formal, crowds can actually get close to the performers.
This, however, is not a rock concert. This is even more than a Broadway musical or high society opera. This is the standing President of the U.S., the most powerful individual in the world. So the situation is going to be very different. Number 1, unlike a rock concert, you do not have people wandering around without an actual assigned seat, at least, not in any significant numbers. This isn't the security staff for Metallica, this is the freaking secret service directing security. Seating arrangements are going to be more strictly enforced, security and crowd monitoring tighter. So actually getting an idea on crowd numbers in this case is easier.
In this case, we have a standing president giving a public rally. That alone should have packed the place, regardless of who likes him or hates him. I look at every president that I can actively remember from childhood on. The first was Reagan, then Bush Sr, Then Bill Clinton, then Bush Jr, then Obama. In the case of every one of these presidents, I remember that whenever they attended an event, gave a speech, or held a rally, the venue was packed, as in sold out. Even presidents during periods of unpopularity or low approval ratings. People on both sides of the fence would flock to see the president, simply because, he's the freaking president. Most powerful guy in the world. Filling up such a venue has never been a problem, and they usually pack/sell out quickly.
In the case of Donald Trump, however, this is not the case. The only people with any interest in him speaking anymore are his most rabid followers. Even the GOP are pretty much ignoring him now on a number of things. It's telling. Even more so his obsession with being popular. Never seen a president, or for that matter, anyone outside of Hollyweird, so obsessed with public numbers and ratings and the like. A good part of the reason myself, as well as many others, don't take him seriously or even respect him.
originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
a reply to: TheScale
The premise of the story is that Trump claims he set records. If the place had been packed, it wouldn't be listed as "around 7000". The capacity is 7600. This is not a rock concert. This is, from the looks of it, a closed arena. Secret service is going to know exactly how many people are there (or permitted to be there). Even the number of people allowed to get closer to the president is going to be limited by the secret service, so once again, most people are going to have to suck it up and stay in nosebleed land.
So basically, once again, we have evidence (not just from the picture but articles themselves) that Trump is, as usual, lying and delusional purposefully, and blatantly. Because popularity and adoration are more important to him than actually being a wise, intelligent, competent leader. It's his obsession, an obsession no other president had. He tweets and rants about it constantly.
Did other presidents in the past wax and obsess over popularity, TV and live audience numbers? Nope. Sure, they tracked things like poll numbers, public attitudes towards their policies and administration. And spent their share of time staging photo ops to make them look good. But as far as TV ratings and crowd sizes, you didn't hear them going on and on about them as if they are some measure of their success or intelligence. They didn't go on grammatically challenged twitter rants crying about impersonations or the press being "mean".
Whatever Obama's ratings and popularity were when he made a TV appearance or something is neither here nor there. The media and liberal commentators were more interested plugging and displaying the numbers. Obama himself, rarely, if ever, made any mention of it. Ratings and numbers are the areas of concern of the media and action groups. The president, if he is actually a president, has better things to think about and talk about.
Because the Donald is such a ratings and popularity whore, he opens himself up to this contempt and ridicule.
originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
a reply to: TheScale
The premise of the story is that Trump claims he set records. If the place had been packed, it wouldn't be listed as "around 7000". The capacity is 7600. This is not a rock concert. This is, from the looks of it, a closed arena. Secret service is going to know exactly how many people are there (or permitted to be there). Even the number of people allowed to get closer to the president is going to be limited by the secret service, so once again, most people are going to have to suck it up and stay in nosebleed land.
So basically, once again, we have evidence (not just from the picture but articles themselves) that Trump is, as usual, lying and delusional purposefully, and blatantly. Because popularity and adoration are more important to him than actually being a wise, intelligent, competent leader. It's his obsession, an obsession no other president had. He tweets and rants about it constantly.
Did other presidents in the past wax and obsess over popularity, TV and live audience numbers? Nope. Sure, they tracked things like poll numbers, public attitudes towards their policies and administration. And spent their share of time staging photo ops to make them look good. But as far as TV ratings and crowd sizes, you didn't hear them going on and on about them as if they are some measure of their success or intelligence. They didn't go on grammatically challenged twitter rants crying about impersonations or the press being "mean".
Whatever Obama's ratings and popularity were when he made a TV appearance or something is neither here nor there. The media and liberal commentators were more interested plugging and displaying the numbers. Obama himself, rarely, if ever, made any mention of it. Ratings and numbers are the areas of concern of the media and action groups. The president, if he is actually a president, has better things to think about and talk about.
Because the Donald is such a ratings and popularity whore, he opens himself up to this contempt and ridicule.
originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
a reply to: TheScale
Once again you have missed my point.
Your article from the NYT even proves the point. The article is journalists describing the event. Not Obama. Obama is not going on about his YUGE crowds and all the people that luv him so. The media was the one going on about crowd size, numbers. Obama made brief mention, and went on to do his campaign spiel. Because he had more important things to discuss.
But also, your NYT article is from Obama's 2008 presidential campaign, when he was still a senator. Not even the president. The second article referred to his inauguration. In Neither article to I see Obama going on and on about crowd size and popularity to the detriment of whatever message he was about to deliver.
The media are the ones commenting on numbers, not the president. As president, I never remember Obama going on about things like this. Hell, I don't remember any president doing so. The media are the ones who are the ratings whores. Presidents should be above that, because they are actual policy makers. Ratings and crowdsize are media whore concerns. Celebrity concerns.
Trump is the one plugging on about crowds, ratings, and all the people who love him, at the detriment of any meaningful discussion of policy. That is the key here. It is more important to Trump that he has YUGE crowds at his rallies, and that newspapers and news agencies only write glowing reviews of him, than it is for him to actually be a president. He's a media/ratings whore. He cares about the same things that the corporate media he claims to despise care about. He's the Kardashian version of a presidency.
THAT is my point. I don't hate Obama either, even though I didn't vote for him in either election. In 2008 I voted Mc Cain. In 2012 I voted Gary Johnson. In 2016 I voted Gary Johnson again. I actually have come to hold a grudging respect and admiration for Obama. Hillary Clinton is a Neo Con in drag. I am hardly "partisan".
The issue is Trump still being in his celebrity game show mentality, and not the mentality of an actual leader. Thus, like I said, he brings all the contempt and ridicule upon himself. He is a buffoon and a joke, only loved and respected by other buffoons and jokers. His first 100 days and so far, its clear he is out of his depth and more interested in rallies and golfing than running the country. This is why he gets all the hate and contempt he deserves.
originally posted by: SBMcG
I just have to laugh every time I see some triggered leftist fall for these Trump trolls.
Don't you liberals know that Trump does this on purpose?it's truly hilarious to watch the leftists fall for these Trump trolls over and over again.
originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
originally posted by: SBMcG
I just have to laugh every time I see some triggered leftist fall for these Trump trolls.
Don't you liberals know that Trump does this on purpose?it's truly hilarious to watch the leftists fall for these Trump trolls over and over again.
I find it a might telling that Trumpkins are falling all over themselves bleating how their president is full of #.
I'm glad that confuses you. It could be an indication that your world is a little more complex than you think.
originally posted by: SBMcG
originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
originally posted by: SBMcG
I just have to laugh every time I see some triggered leftist fall for these Trump trolls.
Don't you liberals know that Trump does this on purpose?it's truly hilarious to watch the leftists fall for these Trump trolls over and over again.
I find it a might telling that Trumpkins are falling all over themselves bleating how their president is full of #.
That's nice.
Is "Trumpkin" meant to be an insult, because I have no idea how any educated, straight, red-blooded male could be a pathetic needy little leftist.
Don't you agree?
originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
I'm glad that confuses you. It could be an indication that your world is a little more complex than you think.
originally posted by: SBMcG
originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
originally posted by: SBMcG
I just have to laugh every time I see some triggered leftist fall for these Trump trolls.
Don't you liberals know that Trump does this on purpose?it's truly hilarious to watch the leftists fall for these Trump trolls over and over again.
I find it a might telling that Trumpkins are falling all over themselves bleating how their president is full of #.
That's nice.
Is "Trumpkin" meant to be an insult, because I have no idea how any educated, straight, red-blooded male could be a pathetic needy little leftist.
Don't you agree?
originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: buster2010
No you're right sorry, let's continue to cry about insignificant things so the world can see how angry we are.
Please do continue.
originally posted by: buster2010
originally posted by: yousipapu
All this carrying on especially after Trumps challenger got busted paying people to attend hers.
animetvtime.com....
The election has been over with for a while now come back to present day and make up an excuse as to why your boy is lying.