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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: Astyanax

This is religious dogma, not an empirically established datum.




No, I deduced it through reasoning. We might even say its a "common sense" assertion.

You might be mistaken in assuming my religion, or that I have a religion at all, and proceeded under that assumption.




posted on May, 2 2017 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: Talorc

I'm not assuming you believe in any particular religious dogma, but belief in intangible realities is essentially religious belief, or something very like it.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: Astyanax

You might want to check your own religious beliefs then because you are using an intangible reality to post here. Us religious folks call it the internet. Have you accepted the internet into your life?



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight




I don't see any babys being born uttering the words "Jesus save me" so the argument that it is self evident is nonsense.


I'm sorry but you lose all credibility when it comes to identifying nonsense.

And this is really ignorant.




For the simple reason that books of the bible came about many years after his death. It serves a purpose of controllers to keep hope alive in some afterlife reward for putting up with their shi"te for so long. Otherwise there'd be a violent revolution every 10 years.


You make a claim about the truth of (scholarly) scripture with some retarded zitgiest
conspiracy that doesn't even identify a perp or perps. And you believe that
lie. Care to try again?
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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: Astyanax

You might want to check your own religious beliefs then because you are using an intangible reality to post here. Us religious folks call it the internet. Have you accepted the internet into your life?
lol. Intangible means nonphysical. The internet is made up of all very physical things. Even the waves that make up your bluetooth and radio signals are physical. C'mon



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

Intangible means not having a physical presence. If something is unable to be felt by the physical human, unaided, it is said to be intangible. Radio waves are physical phenomena yes but I cannot touch them, thereby making them intangible.

in·tan·gi·ble
inˈtanjəb(ə)l/
adjective
1.
unable to be touched or grasped; not having physical presence.
"my companions do not care about cyberspace or anything else so intangible"
synonyms: impalpable, untouchable, incorporeal, discarnate, abstract; ethereal, insubstantial, immaterial, airy; ghostly, spectral, unearthly, supernatural
"the shadows were more intangible than usual as they shifted with each quavering bough and passing cloud"



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight




I don't see any babys being born uttering the words "Jesus save me" so the argument that it is self evident is nonsense.


I'm sorry but you lose all credibility when it comes to identifying nonsense.

And this is really ignorant.




For the simple reason that books of the bible came about many years after his death. It serves a purpose of controllers to keep hope alive in some afterlife reward for putting up with their shi"te for so long. Otherwise there'd be a violent revolution every 10 years.


You make a claim about the truth of (scholarly) scripture with some retarded zitgiest
conspiracy that doesn't even identify a perp or perps. And you believe that
lie. Care to try again?
Well, Randy is an authority on nonsense.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

And you're doing great in the worthless (off topic) hate post catagory.
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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: Woodcarver

Intangible means not having a physical presence. If something is unable to be felt by the physical human, unaided, it is said to be intangible. Radio waves are physical phenomena yes but I cannot touch them, thereby making them intangible.

in·tan·gi·ble
inˈtanjəb(ə)l/
adjective
1.
unable to be touched or grasped; not having physical presence.
"my companions do not care about cyberspace or anything else so intangible"
synonyms: impalpable, untouchable, incorporeal, discarnate, abstract; ethereal, insubstantial, immaterial, airy; ghostly, spectral, unearthly, supernatural
"the shadows were more intangible than usual as they shifted with each quavering bough and passing cloud"


lol... the definition of intangible is: "not tangible"

The definition of tangible is:
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a : capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : palpable
b : substantially real : material
2
: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind her grief was tangible
3
: capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value tangible assets

Radio waves are measurable and therefore tangible.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: Blarneystoner

Tangible means you can touch it. Intangible means you cannot. Tangible isn't talking about whether it's detectable or not... Only if you can literally touch it. Can you feel a radio wave, can you grab it with your hand? How about wifi? No? They are intangible.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: Blarneystoner

Tangible means you can touch it. Intangible means you cannot. Tangible isn't talking about whether it's detectable or not... Only if you can literally touch it. Can you feel a radio wave, can you grab it with your hand? How about wifi? No? They are intangible.


You're wrong.

That is only one definition of the word. It also means something that can be perceived by the mind, according to the Merriam-Webster definition which I posted above. No matter how much you want it to be the only definition of the word, it does not change the facts. You can argue the point until you run out of air but it won't change the accepted, academic definition.

Definition of lucid
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a : suffused with light : luminous
b : translucent snorkeling in the lucid sea
2
: having full use of one's faculties : sane
3
: clear to the understanding : intelligible

Definition of warrior
: a person engaged or experienced in warfare; broadly : a person engaged in some struggle or conflict poverty warriors

Are you saying that you're infused with light? Are you engaged in battle? Or does your username imply that you have a clear understanding with full use of your faculties and are engaged in some struggle or conflict?

Maybe your username should be ObtuseAntagonist
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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: Blarneystoner

Tangible means you can touch it. Intangible means you cannot. Tangible isn't talking about whether it's detectable or not... Only if you can literally touch it. Can you feel a radio wave, can you grab it with your hand? How about wifi? No? They are intangible.


You're wrong.


Well it was fun while it lasted 3 flags and 5 pages. I guess we can only take so much of philosophy. Well onto the shouting match. Wee



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: Observationalist

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: Blarneystoner

Tangible means you can touch it. Intangible means you cannot. Tangible isn't talking about whether it's detectable or not... Only if you can literally touch it. Can you feel a radio wave, can you grab it with your hand? How about wifi? No? They are intangible.


You're wrong.


Well it was fun while it lasted 3 flags and 5 pages. I guess we can only take so much of philosophy. Well onto the shouting match. Wee


Making a point.... thanks.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: Blarneystoner

Yes it is only one definition of a word, but how is a word to have any consistency at all if it's different definitions disagree with each other? The first definition is the most widely used, tangible means touchable. The second definition means it's recognizable, but this is referring to things of the mind, eg her grief was tangible, meaning it was so thick it could be felt by others. Touched, in other words. See how that leans back on the first one? And the third, means it can properly be identified but this seems to be for the sole use of appraising value. So unless we are talking about the value of the internet, or the internet's feelings, it is most definitely not tangible.

As for my username I fail to see how that has anything to do with the OP, but I will oblige anyways.

My username, LucidWarrior, means that I can SEE, and that I FIGHT. Lucidity is another word for clarity, I wish always for understanding, of, for and between myself and others. It means I fight for clarity. I See my own iniquity, and I Fight it. I See the iniquity in the world, and I Fight it.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: Observationalist

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: Blarneystoner

Tangible means you can touch it. Intangible means you cannot. Tangible isn't talking about whether it's detectable or not... Only if you can literally touch it. Can you feel a radio wave, can you grab it with your hand? How about wifi? No? They are intangible.


You're wrong.


Well it was fun while it lasted 3 flags and 5 pages. I guess we can only take so much of philosophy. Well onto the shouting match. Wee


Making a point.... thanks.


Well done. Now I know more about you and your limitations than I know about the words lucid and intangible. Your tangible actions reveal the intangibles of your heart. A tangible fist is evidence of intangible anger.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

Still he died in obscurity as you said...still obscure...only relevant to you because of your withdrawal from the real world



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: Astyanax

It's such a persistent delusion though, isn't it? If only we could all discard it and embrace cold, sterile scientific materialism.

In my opinion, it's ridiculous to believe humans will ever stop searching for the ultimate cause and reason for everything that occurs, even if it means torturing ourselves and reducing everything we cherish to ashes and ruin in the process.

Science has a certain Ideal that it is intent on upholding, there's no mistaking it.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 05:27 PM
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I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.

-Frank Lloyd Wright



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: randyvs



Still he died in obscurity as you said...still obscure...only relevant to you because of your withdrawal from the real world




I don't see any babys being born uttering the words "Jesus save me" so the argument that it is self evident is nonsense.


Okay I'm done engaging you because I'm beginning to question your sanity.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: LucidWarrior


you are using an intangible reality to post here. Us religious folks call it the internet.

You voted for Bozo the Clown last December, didn't you? Even though he wasn't on the ticket?


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